PADI Junior Open Water Diver

[dujubber]

sglake, walter...

I have not yet had the opportunity to teach a JOW course and therefore have not read up on the standards for that course. Nor did that question come up in my GSAP exam. Now, I wonder if you can honestly admit to reading the inst manual cover to cover. I also wonder if you have a right to be on a high horse and judge other instructors. Finally, I wonder if you would have the stones to admit is when you make a mistake.

I would prefer it if this thread stuck to the subject at hand instead of deviating to criticism or issuing of unnecessary advice.

 

[sglake]

sglake, walter...

I have not yet had the opportunity to teach a JOW course and therefore have not read up on the standards for that course. Nor did that question come up in my GSAP exam. Now, I wonder if you can honestly admit to reading the inst manual cover to cover. I also wonder if you have a right to be on a high horse and judge other instructors. Finally, I wonder if you would have the stones to admit is when you make a mistake.

I would prefer it if this thread stuck to the subject at hand instead of deviating to criticism or issuing of unnecessary advice.

As for mistakes I know of no one who is perfect including myself. That is how we learn. You brought up the point of taking other instructors word as law! You will find that if you ever do have any type of problem the excuse of "well that is what he told me " won't hold up! i don't think anyone here has meant to criticize but you as an instructor have the responsibility to know the standards for the agency that you represent!......and yes I have read the instructor manual cover to cover....It sits beside me at home to review and update as necessary. Good luck on your career. Also it is forums and threads like these that we learn from, but if you hear something make sure it is supported by your agency before you believe it as law.

 

[Walter]

sglake, walter...

I have not yet had the opportunity to teach a JOW course and therefore have not read up on the standards for that course. Nor did that question come up in my GSAP exam. Now, I wonder if you can honestly admit to reading the inst manual cover to cover.

I've been a YMCA and CMAS Instructor and am currently an SEI Instructor. In addition to the standards for those agencies, I've also read and studied the complete standards for NAUI and, with the exception of some specialties for PADI even though I've never been an instructor for either of those two agencies.

I also wonder if you have a right to be on a high horse and judge other instructors.

No high horse or judgement involved. Nowhere did I say you should have your card pulled or even be disciplined. I did say I find the situaton disturbing and I do. I don't find it particularly surprising. PADI standards are written in a particularly cryptic fashion.

Finally, I wonder if you would have the stones to admit is when you make a mistake.

I make mistakes on this board and off it. I admit it when I see I've made a mistake and, when appropriate, I apologize. Do you think I've made a mistake here? I don't see it, please explain.

I would prefer it if this thread stuck to the subject at hand instead of deviating to criticism or issuing of unnecessary advice.

I'm sure you would. We all get uncomfortable when called on our screwups. As for "unnecessary advice"... well when you make statements like, "I am probably the worst at this but I take fellow instructors word as law," I hardly think advising you to stop the practice and starting to read the standards for yourself is unnecessary. Unwanted perhaps, but not unnecessary.

 

[Gen San Chris]

Instructors are not expected to remember every word in th training literature, thats why the manuals etc are called reference book so that when an instructor is in dought or teaching a new course or one he has not taught for a long time he can watch the DVD's and read up in the manual and get him up to speed!
The question on this little problem was simple and the guy lost a bet! It was correct though as there is no mention of a depth limit for the older Junior open water divers, it did get a few of us to dig out our PADI Manuals and check so also it was a good excercise for some of us!

 

[sglake]

I agree and I also got out my manual to check......We never stop learning...

 

[Kaiser]

So what is the depth limit for a 13YO JOW Diver? Going by the PADI website looks like the only restriction would be to dive with a certified adult.

 

[knotical]

what is the depth limit for a 13YO JOW Diver?

In general, PADI recommends maximum depths after certification be the same as the maximums during training, so for your specific question, 60 feet.

To expand, I first double checked by searching on words like "depth" in the Instructor Manual.

For 10-11 year olds, the maximum depth is 40 feet, both in training, and after certification.

For 12-14 year olds in training, the maximum depth during the Open Water course is 60 feet.
This increases to 70 feet during the AOW course.

For age 15 and above the maximum depth during OW training is 60 feet.
During AOW training it is 100 feet.
And during Deep Diver Specialty training,130 feet.
Only those age 15 or older can take the Deep Diver specialty.

After certification, recommended maximum depths are 60 feet for novices, 100 feet for AOW, and 130 feet with the Deep specialty.
I did not find a specific recommendation for 12-14 year olds with Junior AOW, but suggest that the training maximum of 70 feet would be appropriate.

 

[Kaiser]

Thanks!

 

[cindivan]

In general, PADI recommends maximum depths after certification be the same as the maximums during training, so for your specific question, 60 feet.

To expand, I first double checked by searching on words like "depth" in the Instructor Manual.

For 10-11 year olds, the maximum depth is 40 feet, both in training, and after certification.

For 12-14 year olds in training, the maximum depth during the Open Water course is 60 feet.
This increases to 70 feet during the AOW course.

For age 15 and above the maximum depth during OW training is 60 feet.
During AOW training it is 100 feet.
And during Deep Diver Specialty training,130 feet.
Only those age 15 or older can take the Deep Diver specialty.

After certification, recommended maximum depths are 60 feet for novices, 100 feet for AOW, and 130 feet with the Deep specialty.
I did not find a specific recommendation for 12-14 year olds with Junior AOW, but suggest that the training maximum of 70 feet would be appropriate.

Is there somewhere I can reference this or print out? I think every time I have dove with my 12 year old, we are told his max depth is 40 until he is 15. THey usually allow him to go 60, but make an issue out of it and tell us we are wrong. I have tried to find on PADI website and cannot find what you stated, which is what we were told when he got certified when he was 10: it was up to 40 ft until 12, then up to 60 until he is 15, then up to 70 unless advanced.

 

[tddfleming]

How does a Jr AOW go from Jr to reg. OW? Is there another class, test. Do they go from Jr AOW to OW then progress to AOW??