I'm a karate practitioner and I Picked A Fight with a MMA fighter on June 17th.

[manni-yunk]

but was refused on the grounds that he was a pro....Gracie knew Giles would eat up all the competitors and Gracie as well.

BS.

ALmost every fighter in the first few UFC's was a professional.

Im not saying that your guy wasnt very good - but - the Gracies were looking high and low for competition........There are all sorts of "could of, should of, would of" about different people form the early days..........all I can judge by is what I have seen and who actually fought. By UFC 2 - there was so much money at stake, they were begging for anyone with a vale tudo or a japanese no rules fighting background to get involved.



There are hundreds of "the guy that was unknown and would have beat anyone".......


BTW - in that era - Royce was NOT supposed to fight in the first UFCs.....but after he won 1 - they wanted to keep a tradition. He wasnt the best Gracie at the time.

 

[purepursuit]

Yea I can't find a mention of this giles guy on the web. Not youtube..
Wrestlers/BJJ..Boxers. If you can do those three well you generally smash people.

 

[Tigerman]

Theres a reason why theres practically no purebred stylists in MMA today and thats because they all lost, horribly, to people with a more complete skillset.
There is a few very good standup fighters who does well in MMA, but they do so because they are extremely good at not getting taken down - which means their understanding of grappling is also good, although they might not be submission artists..

Speaking of Royce Gracie, he has something in common with Ken Shamrock - they where both in the MOST BORING FIGHT OF ALL TIMES!
36 minutes of the "fight of all times" turned into a bout so boring you'd want to tear your damn eyes out..

 

[manni-yunk]

Theres a reason why theres practically no purebred stylists in MMA today and thats because they all lost, horribly, to people with a more complete skillset.
There is a few very good standup fighters who does well in MMA, but they do so because they are extremely good at not getting taken down - which means their understanding of grappling is also good, although they might not be submission artists..

AKA Chuck liddell, until he got figured out.


I agree. Todays fighters have to be very well rounded and unpredictable.


But, without a ground game (BJJ or wrestling), even if its just as a defense - then you dont really have a shot.

 

[Tigerman]

Yeah, although Chuck Lidell haven't really been active in a while, hes a prime example of such.

 

[manni-yunk]

Yeah, although Chuck Lidell haven't really been active in a while, hes a prime example of such.

Lose 5/6 and that tends to happen (not being active). I might not be 100% accurate, but I think thats how he went out.

 

[CAPTAIN SINBAD]

I had an opportunity to interview Royce Gracie a few days ago for Television. I asked him how would he do against Bruce Lee. He replied "If Bruce was alive today we would not be fighting. He would be my student." He then substantiated this by saying that Bruce Lees closest flag bearer Dan Inosanto has been a student of Gracie Jiu-jitsu for a long time now.

Bas Rutten was also asked about Bruce Lees capability in the octagon and he replied by saying that If Bruce Lee rose from the grave and stepped into the octagon he would lose. But that is not what made Bruce Lee Bruce Lee. He was about evolution and adapting new things. He would pick up Brazilian Jiujitsu and become so damn good at making that his own that he would be able to re-invent his own self as an MMA fighter up there with other legends like GSP and Anderson Silva.

---------- Post added March 27th, 2013 at 11:58 AM ----------

As a Jiu jitsu practitioner I sometimes feel that the age of Jiu jitsu (grappling) domination is over and now its back to striking all over again. There was a time when grapplers were dominating everyone and they seemed so invincible that the very credibility of striking was put to stake. I still have those early articles from martial arts magazines when BJJ community would ask questions like "How many real fights have you seen that were decided by a kick?" Back in those days the answer to that question was zero! In those early days of UFC no one delivered a kick.

Now very rarely do you see good submissions. Most fights are decided by striking. Pure Jiujitsu fighters like Roger Gracie are getting destroyed and championship grapplers like BJ Penn have to win by punching and kicking knockouts. This I find to be so against the claims Jiu jitsu cummunity was making in the early days when they were marketing themselves.

Today its a game with 3 dimensions. 1. Striking 2. Takedowns 3. Ground game Since no one is 100% in all three of these so its all about exploiting the holes in the other guys game.

 

[tajkd]

The real question is: which MMA fighter and which karate fighter. I agree if you don't have a ground game, you are at a disadvantage... unless you can defend the takedown.

 

[Tigerman]

I had an opportunity to interview Royce Gracie a few days ago for Television. I asked him how would he do against Bruce Lee. He replied "If Bruce was alive today we would not be fighting. He would be my student." He then substantiated this by saying that Bruce Lees closest flag bearer Dan Inosanto has been a student of Gracie Jiu-jitsu for a long time now.

Bas Rutten was also asked about Bruce Lees capability in the octagon and he replied by saying that If Bruce Lee rose from the grave and stepped into the octagon he would lose. But that is not what made Bruce Lee Bruce Lee. He was about evolution and adapting new things. He would pick up Brazilian Jiujitsu and become so damn good at making that his own that he would be able to re-invent his own self as an MMA fighter up there with other legends like GSP and Anderson Silva.

---------- Post added March 27th, 2013 at 11:58 AM ----------

As a Jiu jitsu practitioner I sometimes feel that the age of Jiu jitsu (grappling) domination is over and now its back to striking all over again. There was a time when grapplers were dominating everyone and they seemed so invincible that the very credibility of striking was put to stake. I still have those early articles from martial arts magazines when BJJ community would ask questions like "How many real fights have you seen that were decided by a kick?" Back in those days the answer to that question was zero! In those early days of UFC no one delivered a kick.

Now very rarely do you see good submissions. Most fights are decided by striking. Pure Jiujitsu fighters like Roger Gracie are getting destroyed and championship grapplers like BJ Penn have to win by punching and kicking knockouts. This I find to be so against the claims Jiu jitsu cummunity was making in the early days when they were marketing themselves.

Today its a game with 3 dimensions. 1. Striking 2. Takedowns 3. Ground game Since no one is 100% in all three of these so its all about exploiting the holes in the other guys game.

I think maybe the reason why the ground and pound and standup is as "big" in MMA as it is at this point is the fact that everyone does have some grappling and takedown defence. Since they do the one thats able to control the ring and deliver the most damage is the one that tend to get the win.
There is still some great grappling out there every now and then though. Too bad one of the good ones has said in two post-fight inteviews after losses that he's fed up and will retire..