Can freediving exercises improve SCUBA?

Discussion in 'Snorkeling / Freediving' started by WaterFox, Jun 9, 2008.

  1. WaterFox

    WaterFox Single Diver

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    Got into freediving recently. Been using the static apnea training tables to help improve. Just curious though, can doing breath holding excersizes using the apnea tables improve your air consumption rate for SCUBA? or is there no correlation?
     
  2. freediver

    freediver Scuba Instructor

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    Quick answer...without a doubt it will help!
     
  3. danvolker

    danvolker SFDJ Dive Team

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    The closest approximation of a relationship would be skip breathing on scuba, which is a very bad idea much deeper than 60 feet ( most would say bad idea at any depth, but in practical terms, most old timers in scuba diving skip breathed at non-challenging depths, when not working hard.

    A better way to improve bottom time on scuba is to work on improved efficiency in streamlined gear and finning technique ( freediving should help here alot)....on lower heart rate, from much better cardiovascular efficiency ( from bicyling with heart rate monitor, interval training, etc)....Keeping yourself in a calm state ( goes to heart rate awareness, and heart rate monitor use can help here)...Making sure you are completely "flat /horizontal" in your underwater orientation while scuba diving--many divers waste huge air by having weighting which causes them to swim head up and feet down--this creates a bow wave, slows them down, and wastes air---keeping more weight on upper torso is a part of the solution here.

    Skip breathing at depth will cause a CO2 buildup that will increase narcosis at even shallow depths like 80 feet, and once you have a build up of CO2, it is much harder to rid yourself of it than on the surface--even for aerobic athletes( although aerobic athletes will rid themselves of it far better than sedentary divers). If you increase narcosis, you are effectively making yourself stupid. Some divers do not dare gaining in this area :)..... None of us should. And you can think of the CO2 headache often following a "skip breathing" session, as a smack on the head from Darwin :)

    DanV
     
  4. WaterFox

    WaterFox Single Diver

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    I've got two different responses and I think I wasn't being clear with my original question. Sorry about that. I meant to add that while on scuba I have no intention of skipping breaths or breath holding. Just wondering if practicing freediving static apnea exercises will improve scuba air consumption rate when breathing normally on scuba equipment. In other words does your normal scuba breathing become more efficient from static apnea exercises?

    Thanks!
     
  5. freediver

    freediver Scuba Instructor

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    Once again...without a doubt, it will benefit you well!! :D
     
  6. dumpsterDiver

    dumpsterDiver Scuba Instructor

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    Do you think static apnea tables (on your couch) are going to reduce the quantity of oxygen used and amount of CO2 you can safely tolerate when swimming around on a scuba tank? Do you think it will make you appreciably more relaxed and comfortable underwater? I doubt it will help much.

    Now freediving and swimming underwater and doing other aerobic activities would probably do more to make you a more efficient scuba diver and freediving itself should make you feel more relaxed in the water when wearing a tank.
     
  7. freediver

    freediver Scuba Instructor

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    I looked again and I guess I missed where the poster said they were going to limit their training solely to the couch (still can't find it!).
    Now if you are referring to static training in-water then I would say that it would be difficult to find a better way to gain comfort in the water than through the most fundamental way. Now through your static training I can only hope that you are training correctly in which you have an additional focus on improving the elasticity of your ribcage, conditioning your diaphragm, breathing properly, learning to induce relaxation and lower anxiety by gaining feedback from your static holds, and how to effectively take a "screening inventory" during the hold, among others. If this is the case, I would be willing to bet that your scuba will benefit from your static training. Even if you spend all your time on the sofa, there are many who train "dry" and receive some benefit from this while freediving so why wouldn't this extend to scuba as well?
    But don't take my word for it! Go train and then go scuba and draw your own conclusions! :D
     
  8. perdidochas

    perdidochas Barracuda

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    The OP didnt' mention any in-water static training:

    (see the quote from the OP below)

     
  9. freediver

    freediver Scuba Instructor

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    perdidochas, I have pointed out what I feel to be benefits from both wet and dry static training. So aside from pointing out the poster's lack of specificity, is there anything constructive you would like to give the original poster? I gave my input based on 20+ years of freediving and scuba experiences. My apologies to the original poster if I played a part in leading you astray.
     
  10. goldenbear01

    goldenbear01 Nassau Grouper

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    what exactly is skip breathing? is it just holding your breath a little longer than you would on a normal breathing cycle?
     
  11. dhrpro1

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    Breath hold free diving will in fact make you a better diver. Im a 22 year vet in diving and started out doing free diving from the age of 12 in Guam, and Im a firm beliver that everyone should start out free diving. It'll teach you to remain calm and bond with with the water, however skip breathing is a bad habit to get into and should'nt be practiced ever. Just my opinion...
     
  12. KyDodenhoff

    KyDodenhoff Angel Fish

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    LOL wow there are some know it all D!CKS on these boards I swear, A person asks a simple question about improving their consumptions rates by doing free diving exercises and some posters find it necessary to just be smart ass's and completely down the idea!
     
  13. cmburch

    cmburch Manta Ray

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    This type of exercise may help with breathing control when on SCUBA.

    DumpsterDiver and dhrpro1 made more sense in that the act of freediving (not the static breathing exercise) will help SCUBA air consumption rate.

    As for if the exercise will actually help to lower SCUBA air consumption rate. It does not make sense to me that it would. It is like saying that people that practice this need less air over the same period of time as a person who does not practice it. I think check with other professionals that perform this exercise to see their point of view on DeeperBlue.net http://www.deeperblue.net/
     
  14. seaglass_mermaid

    seaglass_mermaid Angel Fish

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    Hi,

    Snorkeling, free diving and spending time swimming in the sea will benefit anyone's Scuba diving simply because you will become more relaxed and comfortable with being in the sea. I use to live in the Caribbean and snorkeled for years on a regular basis before I got my certification. When I did my certification I was already very comfortable and relaxed.

    Lisl Armstrong,
     
  15. Ron Brandt

    Ron Brandt Scuba Instructor

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    Dan V pretty much summed it up as he is a pro at both.

    I'm sure freedive practice helped me to kick butt even more on my air consumption.

    Ron
     
  16. 40Fathoms

    40Fathoms Divemaster

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    Freediving apnea training is based on two things: increasing lung volume (by increasing flexibility in the chest area, yoga helps) and training the body's ability to use the O2 in the air (done with apnea training and cardio). Both, but esp. the second thing, will help a lot.

    If you do yoga for your freediving, that will improve your bodily awareness and teach you better breath control, so that'll help too.

    I do both SCUBA and freediving. I love freediving, mostly for the freedom of it. But I've experienced great benefits to my air consumption by training freediving. Some of the benefits come from the things mentioned above, some from the fact that a lot of freediving training (pool or open water) has to do with moving gracefully and efficiently under water. Also, it will really improve your comfort level under water.

    So in my book, yes, freediving will benefit your air consumption. Not just the apnea, though, although that does do some.

    See ya down there!
     
  17. stefusa

    stefusa Nassau Grouper

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    YES it will help the oxygen consomption.
    On the other end, you will train also bad habits that I had myself to fight when i started scuba after 6 years on freediving: Never hold your breath when scuba with (not a problem) or without the reg in mouth (the biggest problem as your habit will be to hold your breath)
     
  18. Thalassamania

    Thalassamania Diving Polymath ScubaBoard Supporter

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    Using free diving to lesson air consumption is a bad idea for a multitude of reasons. However ... knowing that you can hold your breath for 2 minutes or more and solve a problem or easily make a 130 foot ESA ... those are great confidence builders.
     
  19. freediver

    freediver Scuba Instructor

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    Could you elaborate on those reasons?
     
  20. cmburch

    cmburch Manta Ray

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    It still does not make sense to me that static apnea exercises. Not moving.

    Will make one better in the amount of air consumed over a period of time while moving on SCUBA.
     

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