DSS complete singles rig vs. Transpac 2 w/ trek wing

Discussion in 'Buoyancy Compensators (BC's) and Weight Systems' started by divermike1989, Jun 21, 2006.

  1. divermike1989

    divermike1989 Nassau Grouper

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    I've been looking at the DSS complete singles rig and the transpac 2 w/ trek wing. Can anyone recommend one or the other based on experiences and pros/cons please. to give you an idea of what kind of diving I'm going to use it for. I'll be taking rescue in september, DM nexdt year, and am applying to 3 military academies w/ hopes of becoming a military diver. I will also be getting into tech diving when I turn 18. When I do I would get a bigger wing w/ more lift but until them I wan't to stick to the singles wing and get use to the BP/W.
     
  2. fishb0y

    fishb0y Scuba Instructor

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    I dive with the DSS BP/W and love it. Very innovative for a simple BP/W. You'll need to get a bigger wing anyhow for double, so just go with a single tank wing.

    It looks like you are really into diving now, if you are looking into being a military diver, you had better get in shape now. Its not like taking a PADI course.
     
  3. divermike1989

    divermike1989 Nassau Grouper

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    I've had hopes of going into one of the military academies for a while now. Before I got into diving I wanted to fly, but now I really want to dive. As far as the fitness part I' on two varsity teams for my high school (XC and track) plus the weight training. I'm confident I'll be ready....
     
  4. *Floater*

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    I have the DSS steel plate and LCD 30 wing, but haven't tried a transpac or trek wing so I'll let others comment on those.

    I've been very happy with the DSS rig. Features I personally like are: 1) it's a basic hogarthian rig (the transpac is not), and the majority of experienced cave/tech divers seem to prefer hogarthian rigs on these boards, 2) it doesn't require an STA (though some people like to use them anyway), 3) you can buy additional weight plates for the DSS rig (effectively making the plate thicker and heavier) if you end up needing the extra weight and don't want it on your belt, and 4) it has slots for independent doubles which come in handy when I travel and sometimes can't get manifolded doubles.

    The only thing I'd do different now if I was buying again would be to buy the Torus 26 wing instead of the LCD 30 because I believe donuts offer some advantages over horseshoes and I don't need 30# of lift anyway. Having said that though, I know the LCD 30 is a solid wing from experience, whereas I have not used the Torus 26.
     
  5. ArcticDiver

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    Either will do the job just fine for a single tank. This question gets asked a lot because the Transpac is a very versatile and capable system. I bought one when I first started diving and haven't regreted it, even for large tanks. But for doubles the backplate is more stable.

    IF you get into diving to the extent you think you are you will own more than one system anyway. Start with the Transpac now. Later, if reality matches your desires, buy your doubles system.

    Keep up the PT. Ain't no such thing as being Too Fit.
     
  6. Divin'Hoosier

    Divin'Hoosier Divemaster

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    I have the DSS SS bp, hogarthian harness, 30 lb wing and the 5 lb weight plates. I love the rig. I have been very impressed with the quality of construction. They rig works very well in the water. Very streamlined. I also use a DUI WT2 weight harness which I would also highly recommend.

    I can't comment upon the Dive Rite rig as I haven't used one. Nothing good or bad to say.
     
  7. djanni

    djanni Photographer

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    I've put 18-20 dives on a DSS singles rig set up very simplistic. No anything on it. It's a nice rig but didn't really match what I was looking for. To Spartan. I liked the rugged look but not the rugged feel to it if you know what I mean. That's nothing against it's fit and finish either becasue that's first class.

    However, in the end, I stuck with my softback BC which offers all the aminities I wanted and fits like a glove.

    Now I'm considering a second BC and looking hard at the Trans Pac II - the T300x models. I think they are cool looking and Dive Rite's quality is right up there. Even though I have to add weight pouches and pockets I like the whole idea of the Trans Pac better.

    But keep this in mind..... I'm not into Tech of any kind. I'll never have a need for twins either.

    LOL..........
     
  8. SteveFass

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    I bought the TPII about a year ago and am starting to regret my purchase. I got it in all black and should have gotten it with red trim. What was I thinking. Functionally it gets the job done.
     
  9. NWGratefulDiver

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    I've owned and dived both. I sold my TransPac ... I still own my DSS rig. That should tell you something about my preferences.

    The two wings could not be more different. The Trek wing is short and wide ... the DSS wing (either the LCD or the Torus) is long and narrow. To my concern, long and narrow performs far better for a singles rig. Personally, I found the Trek to be a bit more "squirrelly" in terms of stability and ease of venting. On the other hand, the Torus wing is the best performing singles wing I've tried so far.

    I also prefer a backplate to a softpack harness ... it simply holds the tank more rigidly, and feels more like a part of your body when you move. There's a noticeable difference, both underwater and on those shore dives where you're schlepping gear on your back into and out of the water.

    Now, you could always go with the TransPlate instead of the TransPac, but I would still say the DSS offers advantages over the DR ... comparing the two plates. The DSS backplate is about an inch shorter, the corners are more rounded, it's flatter, got a shallower channel, and it's got those wonderful rubber inserts in the tank straps. To the diver that means a more comfortable plate, one that holds your tank closer to your body, and one that won't put undue wear on your (expensive) harness straps.

    The only place I'd give the nod to Dive Rite is in the harness. I like the TransPac/TransPlate harness, as well as their integrated weight system. On the other hand, the DSS ProFit is also a quality product ... but although you can put weight pockets on it, the soft webbing does not accommodate them as well as the Dive Rite harness.

    All things considered, I'd go with the better performance and comfort offered by the DSS product ...

    ... Bob (Grateful Diver)
     
  10. GreenDiverDown

    GreenDiverDown Scuba Instructor

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    Why limit yourself to these two?
     
  11. divermike1989

    divermike1989 Nassau Grouper

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    Thanks guys Ill probobly be making the purchase till the end of the summer, right now I'm leaning toward the DSS but will still do more research.
     
  12. divermike1989

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    I know that the DSS rig doesn't use the STA but when the wing is deflated does anyone have a problem with the tank wobbling???
     
  13. Divin'Hoosier

    Divin'Hoosier Divemaster

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    None whatsoever. The wing has a couple of built in "tank holders" made of some sort of elastometric material. I have no idea what that means. Tobin may certainly chime in here. It feels like a sort of firm, rubbery material. It keeps that tank solid as can be either in or out of the water. No wobble at all. Zero.
     
  14. NWGratefulDiver

    NWGratefulDiver Mental toss flycoon ScubaBoard Supporter

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    No ... wing inflation doesn't have anything to do with tank support.

    ... Bob (Grateful Diver)
     
  15. BSea

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    Are you talking about the TransPac or the TransPlate? The TransPlate has the SS BP like the DSS rig. The TransPac has a soft Backpac similar to a traditional BC. My buddy dives a TransPlate & loves it. I have a hienz 57 BP/W & love it. My harness is the DSS comfort harness that is similar to the dive rite TransPlate harness.


    If you make sure your cam straps are secure, your tank will not wobble regardless if you use an STA or not. I have an STA, but only use it when I use a full wetsuit.
     
  16. divermike1989

    divermike1989 Nassau Grouper

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    Thanks I didn't know that the wing had them in it already. Forgive me I am kinda new to the BP/W thing and this will be my first system....
     
  17. David P

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    Tobin may chime in but probably won't, he's busy getting ready for the Long Beach Scuba Show... I own a dive rite BP/W with their old "deluxe" harness wich came with a chest strap and swivel d ring on the chest. The harness started to frey so I replaced it with a hog harness... I like it better... I work at/manage a shop that sells DR, our top seller is the Transpac. Once adjusted its a good all around BC that leaves the chest area wide open (I hate the feel of a jacket BC). If you opt for the ditchable weight pockets, its so bulky that you'd might as well be in a jacket bc again. While in the neighborhood today I stopped by and said hi to Tobin. He took time from preping for the show and give me a tour of his place, WOW! Nice setup (and thank you Tobin). He makes almost everything right there in house, total quality control. I saw the press and dies where he stamps the backplate, he was explaining how he does the injection molding... all kinds of cool stuff. He was showing me his different wings and all the great options that he dreamed up and I was amazed no one else had ever thought of these things. I could look and feel the quality difference between what I already have and what he is offering. He has rolls of material and an ultrasonic welder to make the wings right there. I am looking for another rig for my doubles so I don't have to swap out wings and tanks. I can get keyman pricing on DR right now, but honestly I think I will be buying the DSS. And damn straint you'ld better believe I'm going to be doing all I can to get his gear in my store!
     
  18. djanni

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    I like that a lot better.
     
  19. djanni

    djanni Photographer

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    By-the-way, A better comparrision would be the DSS Singles rig comparred to the Transpac with a Venture or Travel Wing. The Rec wing is pretty big. 51 lbs lift I think.
     
  20. divermike1989

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    I wrote trek wing but the venture might be a better idea for now anyway.
     

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