How come BP/W cost $600+

Discussion in 'Buoyancy Compensators (BC's) and Weight Systems' started by scuba_moron, Jul 31, 2007.

  1. scuba_moron

    scuba_moron Barracuda

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    Hello,

    I am new to the sport and recently purchased a Seaquest Balance with an Airsource without doing due dilligence at $649. From the posting I read, I may have been better off buying a plate/wing combo, which I'm considering.

    Even though I like my Balance, the plastics and nylon on that BC shouldn't have run more than $250. I know R&D and Marketing have to account for the small market and can command a high premium, but how can a steel plate with $15 webbing and a bladder coast $675?

    I appreciate if you could shed some light on this as I'm considering switching to a BP/W.

    What is the comfort level when wearing a blackplate with straps on bare skin on land, say walking to a beach dive.

    Should I stick with my Balance for now as I don't intend on technical diving? My main goal is to seamline my BC a bit more.

    Thanks again,
     
  2. Ice9

    Ice9 Divemaster

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    Balance is a good BC though. I have one and it feels very sturdy. I got my first BP/W the other day in an attempt to better streamline. Ya, the costs are crazy. $350 for the plate and harness, and another $350 for the air cell! Hope this thing has gold plating! :D
     
  3. Sideband

    Sideband Surface Interval Member

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    Do a little more shopping. You can get a plate and webbing for under $150 and a wing for about $200 to $250.


    http://scubatoys.com/store/search_r...Search=fromSearch&txtsearchParamTxt=backplate
    scubatoys has a Dive Rite plate for $65

    http://scubatoys.com/store/search_r...omSearch=fromSearch&txtsearchParamTxt=webbing
    Dive Rite basic harness $42

    http://scubatoys.com/store/search_r...tFromSearch=fromSearch&txtsearchParamTxt=wing
    OxyCheq 30#lift wing $225

    Total $332 Minus a 10% discount for scubaboard members.
     
  4. evil_xander

    evil_xander  

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    That is because steel is the new gold. :D

    Why a BP/W costs that much? Well, most probably because the market is willing to pay, and is paying for it. Same goes for any BC out there.

    I use a BP/W, recently switched, and I'd never go back now. It's up to you, there's nothing wrong with your Balance either. If you really want to get a BP/W, I'm sure you'll be able to justify it somehow to yourself. :14:
     
  5. evil_xander

    evil_xander  

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    You got robbed back there. I got my complete rig for 450 USD + shipping, brand new.
     
  6. LavaSurfer

    LavaSurfer Scuba Instructor

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    Comfortable, Easy to wear, Better than a Jacket because it fits perfect after adjustments. And this is only my opinion. Never had an issue with or without a Suit or Rash guard.

    As for price, shop around. DSS makes a great unit, so do others.
    Buy a plate of ebay. Its not like they go bad.
    As for any other item on the market, you have to pay to play.
     
  7. johnny_bravo

    johnny_bravo Divemaster

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  8. MSilvia

    MSilvia Great White

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    Ditto... I paid $65 for a plate, $40 for a STA, and $225 for a good wing.

    As for the expense of the plate, a lot of the cost is in the machining set up.
     
  9. ClevelandDiver

    ClevelandDiver Barracuda

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  10. Ice9

    Ice9 Divemaster

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    Well, that was the sticker price.. What I actually got was:

    TransPlate Harness and SS Backplate
    2x Large Weight Pockets
    Crotch Strap
    Rec Wing

    Total: $638

    So although I may have gotten screwed a bit, its not as bad as it first seems :D
     
  11. scuba_moron

    scuba_moron Barracuda

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  12. evil_xander

    evil_xander  

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    Still looks too high...are those pockets filled with gold to be worth ~ $200? :D
     
  13. Divin' Dave

    Divin' Dave SoCal DIR

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    Am I just paying for the name?

    Yup
     
  14. evil_xander

    evil_xander  

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    The name.

    Check out the links you are already provided with, especially the Deep Sea Supply.

    If you want to see that setup, I recently posted pics, here's the post:
    http://www.scubaboard.com/showpost.php?p=2992608&postcount=9
     
  15. MSilvia

    MSilvia Great White

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    Yes, Halcyon charges extra for the brand name.

    The best price I've seen for a Wing that's comparable to Halcyon's is OxyCheq's. Scubatoys carries them, and they offer a discount for scubaboard members. Hammerhead has a great price on BP/STA combos too... $100 for both last I checked, plus a little bit more for the Hogarthian harness and hardware.

    DSS makes quality gear too, but it's rather unlike the Halcyon BP/W on several points. Definately check it out though and see if it appeals to you.
     
  16. Rainer

    Rainer Tech Diver

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    Market economics. DSS has excellent wings/plates for a great deal.
     
  17. PerroneFord

    PerroneFord DIR Practitioner

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    DSS has solid gear. Golem has solid gear. Oxycheq has solid gear. Salvo has solid gear. None of these costs anywhere CLOSE to what Halcyon or OMS charge.

    If you want to build it yourself, you can get everything but the wing for $150 or so from most people, then just buy a wing and put it on.

    My complete Halcyon Pioneer setup, plus a full hose kit, plus shipping didn't cost $600.
     
  18. LavaSurfer

    LavaSurfer Scuba Instructor

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    I have two bp/w with the big "H" on them and a DSS single wing setup.
    Here is a hint (I never use my Halcyons) I HATE the PLATES!
    The DSS Plate has a rubber/plastic molded inserts that keeps the harness adjusted, tight and in place.

    To me, the extra saving are well worth it. :rofl3:

    [FONT=&quot]Nobody I know does this to their wings other than Tobin
    https://www.deepseasupply.com/image_store/10002/10002_IMAGE_LARGE.jpg
    The DSS Wing isn't shiny like the Halcyon so if you’re into cool, spend the extra cash.[/FONT]
    [FONT=&quot] https://www.deepseasupply.com

    Scooter
    [/FONT]
     
  19. Tim Greaves

    Tim Greaves Barracuda

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    I already had my wing from my Scubapro s-tec bc setup and I bought my OMS BP system with harness from leisurepro.com for like $230..

    You can find the wings cheaper on ebay but for the most part they are pricy..
     
  20. mikerault

    mikerault Photographer

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    My aluminum BP, SS BP, Aluminum STA, SS STA, 35# DiveRite wing and Oxycheq 50# wing with harnesses didn't cost $600.00, even if you throw in the DUI weight harness...

    Mike
     

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