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Matt,

I applaud your efforts! Some people seem to think you over-reacted, but any reaction is better than no reaction! You had a missing diver who was last seen navigating through/over some tight coral - and could have been stuck. You also heard him make a noise, but we don't know what it was for or why it stopped. Did he panic, pass out, drop it :idk:? Without having/knowing a better way to communicate this issue at a distance, NOT OK sounds like the best response for you to have - it at least got people's attention to a possible problem.

Thanks for sharing, also! I've already learned a few things from this, and I'm sure you and others are as well.
 
Matt,
In a lot of cases Insta - buddy situations turn out exactly as yours. Get over it, it happens and will probably happen again without proper training. My buddy and I have never lost each other during a dive in over 25 years. We have lost sight of each other on occasion but we have protocol for re- location. Losing sight of is not the same as losing a buddy. I'm a photographer so I already know it is my fault. I am always amazed at how fast they push people through dive classes. When I was certified, as a buddy team, we had to use tables, plan our depth, plan our gas usage, turn points, etc none of which is taught today. See if you can find a regular dive buddy, it gets easier when you know what the other person is going to do, like not leave the surface without a spin check and an okay sign. Good luck and chill.
 
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I understand where you are coming from.

It did look like they approached you afterwards with a mature attitude.

Learn to let things go - speak your mind, explain your position and then - let things go.

Take comfort in that you have said your peace.

I would dive with the same buddy having learned from the previous dive it would have been better the second time around.
 
This is quite clearly a communication and control problem. Matt you were asked a question by the captain while you were in the water and you didn't answer it. You tried to take control of the discourse by asking your own question back rather than responding. The answer you should have given was "I'm okay, but I lost my buddy and I don't know if he's okay." Then again, back on the boat, the captain, after ascertaining that you were indeed okay, asked in a rather gauche way whether you knew the OK sign. Yes, that was harsh, but in the same way that a scared parent screams at a recently found child who was in no real danger to NEVER disappear again! When we've got a duty of care (as parents or as legally and morally responsible parties to divers under our care), we tend to get brusque under the influence of adrenaline when needing to deal with what could have been, but wasn't, an emergency. Again you tried to take control of the discourse by telling Bill that you didn't need a lesson in signals--but instead you felt that he needed a lesson in lost-buddy protocols.

Tolerance goes two ways--given that you want people to be more tolerant of you and give you the benefit of the doubt, you need to display the same attitude, particularly when they are trying to make nice after an incident. I hope you don't take that the wrong way, as it's meant to be a point for reflection rather than an accusation. You should have done the second dive rather than sitting on the boat stewing, and you should have taken up the offer of the afternoon dive with the other person rather than sitting alone all afternoon feeling rejected when in fact you were the one doing all the rejecting.
 
I told him I was looking for him. He said, "You were looking for me?" I told him, "Yes. Then when I came to the surface, the captain was irritated with me because I didn't give the okay sign." At this point, the captain, who was standing right nearby, turned and said, "I wasn't irritated with you." Then he made the okay sign over his head, leaned real close to me, and said, "What does this mean?" I just looked at him. He said again, "What does this mean?" I just looked at him. When for the third time, he said, "What does this mean?" I replied, "Bill, I don't need you to quiz me on what the okay sign is." He then threw up his arms and said, "I'm through with you. We're through. Are you going on the second dive?" I said, "No."

It sounds like this is the moment that entire day went wrong. If you had simply responded to the captainnthe first time, explained your reasoning, and then listened to him and apologized, the rest of the day could have been a good day out rather than you being curled up in a corner sucking your thumb and blaming the world.


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It sounds like this is the moment that entire day went wrong. If you had simply responded to the captain...//...

C'mon OzGriffo, the guy might really be trying.

I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt again. *sigh* Yeah, I know.
 

Your title got me thinking about a potential dynamic that could impact your diving enjoyment. Don't know whether you've ever heard of cognitive behavioral therapy, but some of the theory may be useful for understanding what you're going through. This is going to be 'off the top of my head,' so it won't match up exactly what you'd read in a formal source and isn't to be taken as professional advice.

People have schemas - underlying belief systems about the way the world works. Think optimist, pessimist, capitalist, socialist, etc... It's like listening to a Republican and a Democrat debate how to fix the economy; both have good intentions, but deep-seated differences in how they believe the world works (e.g.: trickle down economics & give a man a fish vs. teach him to fish, vs. the assumption that you're giving a hand up instead of a hand out & people will avail themselves of opportunity rather than become social parasites) put them at odds.

When people in life encounter situations, they often have unconscious interpretations (a.k.a. 'automatic thoughts'), ways they interpret what they see & hear without even consciously thinking about it. We often rationalize things to support our underlying schemas (e.g.: you see someone park in a handicapped spot, get out & walk to the store without evident difficulty and assume he's misusing the system; an optimist might assume he's legally blind & wary of extended parking lot walks, or has a medical condition that can cause a lot of pain with longer walking (e.g.: recent old-style gall bladder surgery with a healing surgical wound on the body wall)).

In other words, if you think you're somehow unlikeable and that other people in general tend to dislike you, and you're insecure about it/fragile self-esteem, when someone says something critical to you with a mild edge to their voice/manner, you may not take it as an isolated event. You may see it as the latest exhibit in an increasing pile of evidence that you're unlikeable and the scuba community is prone to despise you when they get to know you. This can lead to negative over-reaction and your manner and body language become off-putting, creating a self-fulfilling prophecy. When you reach out for reassurance from others, people who don't share your schema may not empathize well (e.g.: criticizing you further, pushing you to 'man up,' etc...).

Remember that wounded animals often go off to be alone, and men in particular often isolate for awhile when upset to work through their psychological baggage before 'sharing' with others. People who don't know you well & aren't sure what to do will give you that space. It's awkward and uncomfortable for all concerned, but it doesn't equate to contempt.

The content of this post is highly speculative and I cannot presume to know your personal psychology. Take this post for what it is or is not worth, in as much as the concepts may be helpful to you.

Richard.

P.S.: Abandoning a buddy is often portrayed on the forum as a despicable act. You may not've handled things the way some divers would've, but at the end of the day, you did the best you could in (for you) a novel situation where what to do wasn't entirely clear. Take it as an educational experience, grow and move on. Do not take it as the latest exhibit that people think you're a bad guy.
 

Your title got me thinking about a potential dynamic that could impact your diving enjoyment. Don't know whether you've ever heard of cognitive behavioral therapy, but some of the theory may be useful for understanding what you're going through. This is going to be 'off the top of my head,' so it won't match up exactly what you'd read in a formal source and isn't to be taken as professional advice.

People have schemas - underlying belief systems about the way the world works. Think optimist, pessimist, capitalist, socialist, etc... It's like listening to a Republican and a Democrat debate how to fix the economy; both have good intentions, but deep-seated differences in how they believe the world works (e.g.: trickle down economics & give a man a fish vs. teach him to fish, vs. the assumption that you're giving a hand up instead of a hand out & people will avail themselves of opportunity rather than become social parasites) put them at odds.

When people in life encounter situations, they often have unconscious interpretations (a.k.a. 'automatic thoughts'), ways they interpret what they see & hear without even consciously thinking about it. We often rationalize things to support our underlying schemas (e.g.: you see someone park in a handicapped spot, get out & walk to the store without evident difficulty and assume he's misusing the system; an optimist might assume he's legally blind & wary of extended parking lot walks, or has a medical condition that can cause a lot of pain with longer walking (e.g.: recent old-style gall bladder surgery with a healing surgical wound on the body wall)).

In other words, if you think you're somehow unlikeable and that other people in general tend to dislike you, and you're insecure about it/fragile self-esteem, when someone says something critical to you with a mild edge to their voice/manner, you may not take it as an isolated event. You may see it as the latest exhibit in an increasing pile of evidence that you're unlikeable and the scuba community is prone to despise you when they get to know you. This can lead to negative over-reaction and your manner and body language become off-putting, creating a self-fulfilling prophecy. When you reach out for reassurance from others, people who don't share your schema may not empathize well (e.g.: criticizing you further, pushing you to 'man up,' etc...).

Remember that wounded animals often go off to be alone, and men in particular often isolate for awhile when upset to work through their psychological baggage before 'sharing' with others. People who don't know you well & aren't sure what to do will give you that space. It's awkward and uncomfortable for all concerned, but it doesn't equate to contempt.

The content of this post is highly speculative and I cannot presume to know your personal psychology. Take this post for what it is or is not worth, in as much as the concepts may be helpful to you.

Richard.

P.S.: Abandoning a buddy is often portrayed on the forum as a despicable act. You may not've handled things the way some divers would've, but at the end of the day, you did the best you could in (for you) a novel situation where what to do wasn't entirely clear. Take it as an educational experience, grow and move on. Do not take it as the latest exhibit that people think you're a bad guy.

I never thought someone would break out cognitive biases / therapy on Scubaboard. Although divers as a whole tend to be very hindsight biased now that I think about it...:cool2: Edited to add

I could probably throw in negatively and outcome based biases as well....
 
If a missing buddy is a common situation and "not an emergency", then it sounds like a failure on behalf of the crew to establish the appropriate sign and communicate it to the divers, to make this process more streamlined next time it happens and avoid delays in the rescue procedure. If the crew had lost buddy experiences before, they should have known better.
 
Matt, I've got to agree with most of the posts in this thread. You were doing well until the comm with the boat. I can understand your concern but you made assumptions that weren’t based on facts. You assumed your buddy may be stuck because he almost did just that minutes before. (Perhaps an assumption of he’s smart enough not to make that mistake twice would have served you better.) That assumption fed into your next assumption that if you signaled ok the boat would ignore you, and your “stuck” buddy may die.

Do you have a whistle? If the boat did ignore you after signaling OK a couple of blasts on a good whistle from 50 yds out would get them refocused on you.

Before you went back down taking the time to deploy an SMB on a reel may have made those on the boat take notice.

Your concern for your buddy is admirable and clearly is the reason you made the decisions you made and that isn’t a bad thing anytime anywhere. You need to cut back on the assumptions and focus on what you know as fact. Fact was your buddy had become separated from you. That’s all you had, you made up everything else for the best of reasons, but you put yourself in a bad spot with a lot of help from your buddy.

Diving is like most other things you learn the finer points by doing and making mistakes that don’t kill you.
 

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