integrated weight system on BC

Discussion in 'Buoyancy Compensators (BC's) and Weight Systems' started by Strick, Dec 10, 2001.

  1. Strick

    Strick Nassau Grouper

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    I've heard from a few people that it is not good to have weights actually in your BC that has the integrated weight system. Now obviously I don't see a problem or why else why would they make them. My question is prior or after the dive. They mention that carrying the weights in the BC out of the water will wear out the bc weight pockets and eventually rip something out. Has anyone experienced this? :confused:
     
  2. blacknet

    blacknet Loggerhead Turtle

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    Hello,

    My bc is integrated, the *ONLY* problem i've ever had was leaving the weights at home! The pockets are designed for the weight and shouldn't 'wear out the pockets' It's alot easier to put on and take off the gear and you don't have to worry about the weight belt sliding.

    Ed
     
  3. socaldiver

    socaldiver Manta Ray

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    I also have an integrated weight system on my BC. I have not had a problem personally and have not heard of any where the BC wore out due to the weights.

    However, I have heard where some people have had problems when the weight pocket(s) fell out of the BC at depth, which obviously can become quite dangerous.
     
  4. Walter

    Walter Scuba Instructor

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    The weight pockets are indeed designed to hold the weights, but everything will wear out eventually. The less stress placed on anything, the longer it will last. From that standpoint, it's a good idea not to leave weights in the BC any longer than necessary.

    OTOH, weights in the BC while setting up the system are a PITA anyway, so I can't imagine anyone wanting to leave them in.

    From time to time, I encounter people who need extra assistance exiting the water. They remove their BC in the water then climb the ladder without the weight of the tank. I'm happy to take the BC/tank assembly and lift it onto the boat for them. If they have an integrated weight system, they need to hand their weights up first. Those who forget to hand their weights up separately will be getting help from someone else, or lifting their own system from the water.

    DSSW,

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  5. Strick

    Strick Nassau Grouper

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    Thanks! I appreciate the info. Thats what I thought on the design issues of the weight intergrated BC, Just wanted to see what everyone thought.
    =-)
     
  6. Scottri

    Scottri Divemaster

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    I also dive with a weight integrated BC but I don't worry too much about carrying the weights in the pockets wearing anything out but me. I like to carry the BC with the weights out just because it is lighter. I usually put my weights in right before going in the water and take them out right after I get out just to make it easier.

    Scott
     
  7. buff

    buff Manta Ray

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    I wore a weight integrated BC with my dry suit . I had to walk about 50 yards to the lake with full dive outfit on-tank, weights,dry suit etc.. It didn't even seem like I was carrying any weight it felt so comfortable. Though I have heard of it happening, I can't imagine how the weights would slip out-I could hardly get them out of the BC when I was trying let alone a random "fall out"

    I like em'!
     
  8. Stone

    Stone Manta Ray

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    Another design issue related to integrated weights is weight distribution. I would hope that all BCs using integrated weights have a way to distribute the weight (ditchable or non-ditchable) so the diver can achieve proper trim while diving and not be uncomfortable (forced face down) on the surface.
     
  9. FinMeister

    FinMeister Angel Fish

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    Strick,

    I've not heard of weights wearing out the pockets of a weight integrated BC. I suppose it's possible that poor workmanship or a material defect could eventually result in a pocket failure. However, I suspect that would be rare.

    However, I HAVE heard of weights coming out of pockets. At depth, as I'm sure you know, such an event could lead to a potentially dangerous uncontrolled ascent.

    In several instances with which I'm directly familiar, it was a failure of the fastening device holding the weights in vest, not the pockets being worn out. In one, the velcro fastener closing the weight pocket was fouled with sand and debris preventing many of the hooks and loops from engaging. In another, the fastener, a buckle device, came undone.

    Actually, I have more concern that I am going to forget to put the weights in the pockets rather than them falling out!

    Warren
     
  10. Lost Yooper

    Lost Yooper Loggerhead Turtle

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    I've seen several models of weight intergration BC's lose their weights while underwater resulting in an uncontrolled ascent. I'm not a fan of ditchable weight integration. There are other ways to deal with weighting.

    Mike
     
  11. ladycute1

    ladycute1 Scuba Instructor

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    Just for an alternative view...

    I have tried weight integrated bc's and I prefer a weight belt...

    I find that I can get a better fit with the belt. In my experience, when I used a weight integrated bc, and was inverted underwater, the weight often caused the bc to slide up (down?) around my ears...

    The belt allows me to put the weight where I want it, and cinch it up tight, keeping it there. (I do also, depending on the dive, sometiems use ankle weights, or place a small extra wieght in a bc pocket.)

    Just another preference.
     
  12. Scubaroo

    Scubaroo Great White

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    A crotch strap (if your BC is compatable) solves the sliding BC problem.
     
  13. martinjc

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    Ladycute - I use a weight belt for half my weight, with the other half in the weight pockets of my Transpac II. I have also had a problem with the BC riding up around my ears, and I solved it with a crotch strap for the BC. Oh sure - the strap gets a little 'friendly' sometimes - but it's better than having my shoulder straps around my earlobes!
     
  14. martinjc

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    Ben - you're a faster typist than I am!!!
     
  15. buff

    buff Manta Ray

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    Ladychute1
    ........."and was inverted underwater"

    I hear a lot of divers on this board talk often about being inverted or upside down under water. I have to admit it's a cool feeling but I don't spend that much time in this position to seriously consider it a factor in my equipment purchase or equipment setup. It's more of a novelty to me.

    I have to ask "What are you doing that you are in this postiton so much" "Do you want to be in this position that much-or is it by accident"??

    I like to be parallel with the bottom of the lake or ocean-Am I unique in this desire??
     
  16. martinjc

    martinjc Barracuda

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    Buff - I also prefer to be horizonatl/parallel with the bottom, but I tend to get 'inverted' when I am swimming around looking at stuff and something interesting catches my eye at a greater depth. I would think this would happen all the time with wreck divers - although I have yet to dive a wreck - plan to take the course over the summer. It's these quick changes in direction from horizontal to inverted-vertical that got my BC sliding up before I got the crotch strap.

    For instance - I was swimming nice and horizontally along the top of a submerged schoolbus at a local quarry - and wanted to check out the large catfish I saw duck around the rear tire - so I kicked my fins up, put my head down and kicked toward the tire (hence putting my budy in an inverted position). Once I got to the tire - I got horizintal again (with a minimum of sculling - I'm still trying to perfect this.) [As a side note - I also have the bad habit of putting one hand out in front of me as I am gliding through the water (think Superman position from the first movie). I know it's a No-No as I should have my hands at my side or clasped in front of me - but it's just so cool 'flying' through the water like that]

    I also know several people who descend head first in good vis situations...I haven't done that yet - still trying to do things by the book - but I know it happens.
     
  17. Walter

    Walter Scuba Instructor

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    Crotch straps will solve the problem, but with a weight belt there is no problem and crotch straps are never comfortable.

    while touring the reef horizontal is preferred, but I often (usually?) descend head first and often peak under ledges in that position. If you are neutrally buoyant you are as close to weightless as you'll get except in space or very brief moments in flight. I try to take total advantage of it.

    DSSW,

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  18. ladycute1

    ladycute1 Scuba Instructor

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    ..somehow, I thought I might start something.....

    OK.. in response to 'What the hell are ya doin' upside down?'

    First, it's always deliberate on my part. .... well, maybe once or twice when trying to releive a cramp..... ok, it's ALMOST always deliberate on my part.

    1) I like the sensation...so, why not once in awhile...

    2) sometimes I'm looking at very little things on the bottom... and I don't want to stir up sand... once was watching some itsy bitsy plankton / nudibranchs (?we were never totally sure) -- we were using a magnifying glass --- these things were only the size of maybe 50 grains of sand...

    3) sometimes it's the best way to see into a small crevice without touching the reef....

    4) sometimes it's the best way to light a spot for a buddy to see (especialy at night)


    and.. also... when I refered to the integrated bc slipping... it didn't happen ONLY when I was absolutely vertical, but also when rolling from side to side... in general, I didn't experience good control of the weight --- so MY preference is for a weight belt... No thank you, I don't want a crotch strap. You get right ahead and enjoy your nice, spiffy integrated bc.... I'll keep my old system which works just great for me. :jester:
     
  19. ladycute1

    ladycute1 Scuba Instructor

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    ..somehow, I thought I might start something.....

    OK.. in response to 'What the hell are ya doin' upside down?'

    First, it's always deliberate on my part. .... well, maybe once or twice when trying to releive a cramp..... ok, it's ALMOST always deliberate on my part.

    1) I like the sensation...so, why not once in awhile...

    2) sometimes I'm looking at very little things on the bottom... and I don't want to stir up sand... once was watching some itsy bitsy plankton / nudibranchs (?we were never totally sure) -- we were using a magnifying glass --- these things were only the size of maybe 50 grains of sand...

    3) sometimes it's the best way to see into a small crevice without touching the reef....

    4) sometimes it's the best way to light a spot for a buddy to see (especialy at night)


    and.. also... when I refered to the integrated bc slipping... it didn't happen ONLY when I was absolutely vertical, but also when rolling from side to side... in general, I didn't experience good control of the weight --- so MY preference is for a weight belt... No thank you, I don't want a crotch strap. You get right ahead and enjoy your nice, spiffy integrated bc.... I'll keep my old system which works just great for me.
    :jester:
     
  20. ladycute1

    ladycute1 Scuba Instructor

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    oops.. I put this on the wrong thread.... see this thread in the general scuba discusssion for the rest of it.
     

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