Jew Fish.....

Discussion in 'Underwater Hunting' started by flyinghuntster, Nov 15, 2004.

  1. flyinghuntster

    flyinghuntster Nassau Grouper

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    This is a silly Question but one that needs to be asked. If a large Jew fish (like ones you see at wrecks that "live" there ALL the time) could somehow be caught without taking you for a ride of your life. Would the meat be tough like on Older cattle? I personnaly would feel slightly ashamed at taking something that is almost like the wreck itself, something that draws divers down to certain areas. I guess it would be an ethical question for each diver. Has anyone ever had a RIDE from fish that was probably too large to catch?
     
  2. Johnoly

    Johnoly Manta Ray

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    I've shot an AJ that wanted to do the best "Saturday Night Fever" disco dance that you've ever seen. Down in the sand, bending the spear to look like a pretzel, and so much silt and dust it looked like an underwater tornado.Took 15 minutes and 1500psi of scuba rodeo to finally get it on the stringer. Even the baracuda's watching nearby decided to stay out of this fight. I will say, we cooked it up later that week and it fed 8 people with more left over.

    I usually take a very long look at my gauge and think twice before shooting another big AJ.
     
  3. DA Aquamaster

    DA Aquamaster Directional Toast ScubaBoard Supporter

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    Unfortunately it is often just a question of ethics for each individual diver, and in many cases their ethical reasoning is sadly lacking and encompasses little more than the legalityof the act.

    A you allude to, some fish almost qualify as dive site in and of themselves and the ecomomics of shooting them just do not make sense as the fish are much more valauable as attractions at the site than they are on someone's plate.

    If you shoot a fish with that status, expect to draw the rath of the regulars who dive that site. Wether it happens to be legal or whether you have the legal "right" to shoot it is not the issue and is not going to make much difference. The larger ethical issue is that you will have chosen to pursue a personal desire and eliminate a potentially scarce and difficult to replace resource at the expense of the diving community at large.

    Don't misunderstand - I am not anti-spearfishing. On the contrary I have been spearfishing for 25 years and still enjoy it when appropriate. The thing is that what is considered ethical and acceptable in spearfishing has changed over time. Those relatively few spearfishermen out there who lack the ethical understanding or the social grace to get a clue when they offend other people pose a significant risk to spearfishing as a sport. Non-spearfishing voters out number spearfishing voters by about a 1000 to 1. A few isolated acts can result in public outcry and a legal mandate that will not go well for people who spearfish.
     
  4. CBulla

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    Coming from a guy whose family used to commercial fish, Jewfish are not tough as leather.. a 100# jewfish is still a juvinile. The fish houses would be happy when we showed up with a 200..300..500# fish.. thats a LOT of grouper! Dive most of the artifical reefs aroud right now and thats all you see besides snapper to... the rest of the grouper are sparse and small.
     
  5. SueMermaid

    SueMermaid Loggerhead Turtle

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    Yeah, they taste delicious, but it's sorta like eating your little brother.
     
  6. Walter

    Walter Scuba Instructor

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    It's academic, it's illegal to harvest Jewfish.
     
  7. Frank Kohler

    Frank Kohler Nassau Grouper

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    more times then not jew fish are not very good eating.
     
  8. Hank49

    Hank49 Scuba Instructor

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  9. cdiver2

    cdiver2 Surface Interval Member

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    Walter, sometimes I am utterly amazed at people :11: :06:
     
  10. archman

    archman Divemaster

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    I'd assume they're talking about jewfish in non-U.S. waters where hunting is still permitted.
     
  11. Hank49

    Hank49 Scuba Instructor

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    Hi Walter,
    I've not spent any time in the oceans off the continental US. I presume spearing is illegal. How about hooking them?
    Here in the lagoon there seems to be quite a lot of them. We catch small snappers (1/2 lb), hook them through the tail just above the spine behind the dorsal fin, and toss them back into the mangroves using 40-50 lb test line. I've heard of people landing 300 lb jewfish this way with 300 lb test hand lines. It's not easy to land them. They get into the branches under water and slice the line on barnacles. I've landed only about 1 of 8 that I hook.
     
  12. Walter

    Walter Scuba Instructor

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    Spearfishing is legal in the US. Harvesting Jewfish by any method is not.
     
  13. Rick Murchison

    Rick Murchison Uncle Ricky Staff Member ScubaBoard Supporter

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    We didn't nearly exterminate the jewfish from our (US) waters because they weren't delicious...
    I am greatly relieved that they're making a come-back in the Gulf; they are magnificent fish.
    Some folk feel they've made enough of a come-back to open a season on them again, but I don't agree... they are nowhere near the density or the size they were back in the 70's yet.
    Rick
     
  14. flyinghuntster

    flyinghuntster Nassau Grouper

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    I would agree that they are great to look at. Epcot Dive Quest had a LARGE (aren't they all?) Jew fish that was albino and we didn't see it until our second run through the tank.
    I have never seen one in the states on the shallow reefs I dive. The large one I saw in the UAE was on a wreck in the Gulf od Oman at 110' without a gun and I was in a nature preserve.
     
  15. flyinghuntster

    flyinghuntster Nassau Grouper

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    I guess that the wild animal world underwater, as it is in on land, there are people who like to just look, hunt and others who do both. I have been enjoying the looking part for years and now I will start enjoying the EATING part too.

    I loved the first story about the Saturday Night Fever dance...... :) I was "right" there underwater just reading that! I can't wait to get in on that kind of fun.
     
  16. mempilot

    mempilot Loggerhead Turtle

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    I was getting my tanks filled last week, when a local spearfisherman comes in with a picture of a 100lb black that he speared. While it was a record black for the area as any of us knew, none of us was enthusiastic about his kill. To see this huge fish hanging next to the hunter for a photo op made me feel kind of sad. The fish was beautiful, and it would have been more so if seen swimming on the wreck. The guy left feeling a little strange about the kill, but said it made good eating.

    We see small to medium jew fish on many of the deeper wrecks in the area. It's kind of cool when I have to get out of their way. That's attitude that needs to be respected. Leave em alone I say.
     
  17. deadend

    deadend Nassau Grouper

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    Mempilot, I don't wanna start any more s%&t but shouldn't you post about leaving the fish alone on the other forum with the shark lovers? This is the underwater hunting forum and most folks that contribute here would sling steel at a 100lb carbo in half a nanosecond if given the opportunity. We could all shoot 7" pinfish and be happy but a large fish is even better.
     
  18. TropicalDiver

    TropicalDiver Scuba Instructor

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    deadend - I like your thinking! :)

    The quickly expanding Jewfish numbers are just as quickly deleting the groupers and other fish that can be found on Gulf wrecks. On the Mexican Pride wreck, for example, few if any good fish live there to be shot, but don't shoot one if you find one - cause about 6 refrigerator-size jewfish will be on top of you in a nanosecond! Among spearfisherman that dive there, jewfish stealing fish is a REAL concern....some guys have the scars to prove it.... :11:
     
  19. mempilot

    mempilot Loggerhead Turtle

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    You misread my thoughts. Spearfish all you like. Killem big and killem all. My reference was the same as others above, to the jew fish in SE FL waters. They are still fairly small compared to days past and the numbers are still few. I see more 20 to 50 lb grouper on the wrecks than 100lb jew fish.
     
  20. deadend

    deadend Nassau Grouper

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    I can't remember the last time I saw a jewfish UNDER 200lbs. 20 to 50 lb grouper(square tails) on wrecks outnumbering jewfish? I need to come dive with you! Most of the jewfish I see are 300+ and many have got to be over 5. Not even surprised to see them anymore. 20 - 50 lb grouper though, I'd be shocked and quick on the trigger!
     

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