Maybe DEMA should thumb their upcoming Dive Fest in Ft Lauderdale?

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There was a meeting put on by DEMA almost a week ago in Pompano Beach to discuss their upcoming Dive Fest set for next year. No, I didn't make it, but after hearing 4 different people tell me about it, I wish I had been there. In the words of one: "It was Brutal!. Another called it "Carnage!" The other two referred to it as a blood bath. Mind you, these are all card carrying DEMA members and have been fairly supportive of DEMA in the past. At one point a DEMA Representative even told the crowd to "Kiss my ass!" under his breath. Oh the drama!!! There were accusations of malfeasance, incompetence and DEMA being completely out of touch with their membership. An event that should be bringing our community together has become polarizing: divisive even. It's apparent that Tom and company have their heels dug in the sand and are desperately trying to force this on us. Why? In diving, we teach that you can thumb (end) a dive at any time and for any reason, no questions asked. It's the ultimate rule that puts the safety of a diver in the diver's hands. Maybe DEMA should take a page from a basic Open Water diving class and thumb this dive (show). It makes sense on many different levels and here's my take on it from a diver's perspective...

You should only dive within your training and abilities! DEMA was designed and has the mandate to market our industry but not to compete with us. IOW they should be out supporting existing dive shows, encouraging new ones but not start competing with it's members. Heck, we have all the competition we need, let alone from the people who are supposed to be dedicated to support us. Let any of the Dive Shows mention that they want to incorporate a trade show into their consumer show and watch DEMA scream! I know of at least two individuals who were told if they did such a thing that they would be banned from the DEMA Show which is trade only. Here, DEMA should stick with their mandate and not try to increase their budget with this ill conceived show. What's next? Will they start manufacturing dive gear under the guise of cross promoting diving? Perhaps a DEMA LDS is in order? Once you start competing with your members, DEMA, it's a slippery, slippery slope. You're losing our trust and are messing with our livelihoods. You should thumb the dive (show) if only on this principle alone.

Stick with your buddy! If you lose your buddy, ascend a bit and look for no more than one minute and then thumb the dive (surface)! It could be argued that DEMA is nothing but an SOB (Same Ocean Buddy) in this regard. From what I understand, the shops in the area totally oppose the concept as it will drain their resources with little to no return. Kevin Senecal, Skip Commagere, Pavan and others were quite vocal in their opposition to this at the DEMA meeting. The manufacturers I have talked with are equally as opposed to it since DEMA wants them to sell direct to the consumer. As it sits right now, it appears that DEMA might be hosting a show with mostly non-scuba retailers at this point! Without the needed support, you need to thumb the dive (show).

Dive within your limits! When it comes to being underwater, every diver knows that they have to be aware of time, depth and gas! When it comes to a dive show, the biggest limit is MONEY. DEMA want's to charge $1,400.00 for each 10x10 booth if you are a DEMA member and $2,000.00 if you are not. According to one person, he will have to sell $50,000 worth of merchandise in order to break even. They want to do this during Ft Lauderdale's busy season where the participants will already be there. The best time for any consumer show is off season, so you can add more butts to the boats when they are almost empty not when they can't accommodate any more! Now here's the real rub... the people at the convention center inadvertently let the dive community know that DEMA is getting the convention hall FOR FREE for the first year. FOR FREE! Whoopsie... that was one helluva cat to let out of the bag. There seems little to wonder why DEMA is pushing this so hard. It's no secret that the DEMA Show has shrunk over the years even to the point that we are too small for the Las Vegas Convention Center this year. Surprise! The DEMA Show is being held in the Sand's Hotel Convention Center, which is a lot smaller than our most recent venue. Recently DEMA added a proviso making it's members responsible for any losses (up to $5,000) that it may incur. Why am I getting the feeling that this Dive Fest is nothing more than a way for DEMA to stay afloat? I certainly hope I am wrong, but I doubt they will be responsible enough to address our concerns publicly. If you can't stay within your limits (means), then it's time to thumb the dive (show).

Review your communication skills! Hello DEMA, we have a serious disconnect here. Not only are you not listening to your members, you are extrapolating their ideas into something that no one can support and then blaming us for it. You love your little 20/20 infomercials you have at a few of the dive shows where you can effectively control the outcome. It's time to put on your big boy pants, and have a frank and open discussion RIGHT HERE on the internet. By the internet, I mean ScubaBoard. The rest of the dive industry is here, why aren't you? Come on in, the water's fine. Don't let your fear of internet sharks keep you from enjoying the benefits of open discussions in the light of day. The only thing you have to lose is your reputation for hating the internet and ScubaBoard in particular. If communications have broken down the only safe thing to do is to thumb the dive (show)

Finally, it's important to know your exit strategy. It's almost always easier to get into the water than back out. But, getting back out is essential if you want to survive and dive some more. Again, the nice lady from the convention center outlined that for us. She told the group that DEMA could call this dive (show) with impunity. That means, "No Charge!". No, we can't wait until a month before the event to do this, I am certain. But we can and should do it now. Thumb the Dive Fest DEMA: it's the responsible thing to do.



Please Note: This is my personal take on the situation after several conversations with industry participants. This is not an official ScubaBoard position statement. In fact, we support ALL dive shows.
 
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Actually, the DEMA show will be in the Sands Exposition and Convention center built in 1990 and rebuilt in 2008, not in the Sands hotel ballroom, because the Sands hotel and casino is long gone.

But not to detract from your rant, DEMA has been disconnected from the dive industry for a long time. Somehow Ingram and his buds still believe what PADI tells them to believe. None of those guys actually go diving, so how do they have any clue what diving and the dive industry is all about? I get about 20% of my business from DEMA, most of the few consumer shows I attend do much better, and the rest from social media. I think it's very telling that the Florida Keys and Key West (the Monroe county TDC) will not have a single booth at DEMA this year. They're spending their cash at the consumer shows. 3 years ago they had a whole aisle with 20 or so booths. I'll give it one more try, but I expect this will be one of my last DEMAs. The results are better elsewhere.
 
Actually, the DEMA show will be in the Sands Exposition and Convention center built in 1990 and rebuilt in 2008, not in the Sands hotel ballroom, because the Sands hotel and casino is long gone.
I am GLAD to hear it. How big is this venue compared with the Las Vegas Convention Center?
 
I am GLAD to hear it. How big is this venue compared with the Las Vegas Convention Center?

It's a joke, son. Sands at 1.2 million square feet, Las Vegas convention center at 10 million square feet. Wiki describes the Sands center as "overflow for shows too big for the Las Vegas convention center". Uh-huh, sure it is. The DEMA show is so small I doubt that the DEMA show will run it any longer. You did know that DEMA contracts the show to DEMA show, right?
 
DEMA is now travel, training, and trinkets, has been for some time. The Board of Directors is the old boys club, same people year after year, they get their comp suites at the show and have their own
agenda. PADI controls the whole deal since they have the most votes.

The well run consumer shows offer much more than DEMA can. Sad, but true.
 
DEMA was designed and has the mandate to market our industry but not to compete with us.

As an outsider, I'm not sure who "us" is and what that compeition looks like. Can someone explain the backstory a little?
 
As an outsider, I'm not sure who "us" is and what that compeition looks like. Can someone explain the backstory a little?
The "us" would be the members of our trade organization, DEMA (Dive Equipment and Marketing Association). DEMA is supposed to support "us" and not compete with "us". You can find them here: http://www.dema.org/

It's a joke, son. Sands at 1.2 million square feet, Las Vegas convention center at 10 million square feet. Wiki describes the Sands center as "overflow for shows too big for the Las Vegas convention center". Uh-huh, sure it is. The DEMA show is so small I doubt that the DEMA show will run it any longer. You did know that DEMA contracts the show to DEMA show, right?
So calling it the "Hotel Ballroom" was not that far off. Good.

Now back to the OP... will you be attending the Dive Fest in Ft Lauderdale? Please justify your answer and let us know what it would take for you to consider buying a booth there. (Obviously, I am assuming that you are not considering it at this point, so correct me if I am wrong.)

The well run consumer shows offer much more than DEMA can. Sad, but true.
Can we expect Apollo to attend the Ft Lauderdale Dive Fest then? How do you, as a manufacturer feel about the pressure DEMA is putting on you to sell directly to the consumer at this show? Skip from Force-E sees it as nothing more than an expensive Flea Market.
 
As an outsider, I'm not sure who "us" is and what that compeition looks like. Can someone explain the backstory a little?

Not well, because I've only been around 15 years or so, but here's what I think the back story is. Us is the scuba industry, those of us who go out and service the product of the training agencies. Service comes in the form of gear, travel, con ed, all of the things a dive shop might want to stock for their customer. Since it was way more cost effective for the manufacturers back in the old days to bring all of the store owners to one place instead of putting a sales force on the road, DEMA was born. Diving Equipment Marketing Association. Since diving is a very social sport, everyone went to the DEMA show to see old friends. Since everyone was going to be there, everyone who was anyone decided to have a booth. That's where travel, training and trinkets came from. The manufacturers got a little twisted and dropped their attendance way back in about 2006, although they are starting to show up again, but with a much reduced presence then they were. DEMA is tiny and getting tinier. The manufacturers don't need to meet with their customers (as much) because the internet does a lovely job of describing their wares.nothing, however, beats face time when selling to a consumer. The DEMA board is very reluctant to open the show floor to consumers.

Now, who is us. Us is the dive industry, who are on the front lines of trying to seperate divers fronm the contents of their wallet. It used to be easy, put your sign up and they will come. It's a little more difficult now, as divers are more discerning then they used to be, research their own travel, trinkets, and training through venues like Scubaboard, and make their own decisions. Shops book less group travel because consumers may find it inconvenient to go when the shop wants to go. Trinkets are available online for less than the shop charges, and so is training. PADI is the 800 lb gorilla in the diving industry, and they have controlled the DEMA board for many years. I find PADI (insert my opinion here) to be a bit out of touch with the diving scene in that they think everyone can dive, and should be given the chance to hurt themselves and their buddy diving. they make it weasier and easier to get certified, resulting in the dumbing down of the industry as a whole, because wherever the 800 lb gorilla sits, the smaller gorillas are soon to follow.

Now, DEMA can see the handwriting on the wall by looking at the attendance records for the show. Although they announce that we've broken yet another attendance record every Saturday of the show every year, we need smaller venues to hold the show, so it's a little like the politicians telling us that the economy is improving when I have fewer customers and less money in my wallet. Successful dive businesses are fast on their feet and quick to think about which way to go to attract customers. This is not happening at DEMA, but at the locl regional shows. Where are the successful local regional shows held? Well often it is in cold places in the winter. Winter is the dive destinations slow season, and folks from those wintertime areas want to get the hell out of Dodge. DEMA used to be in February, but in DEMAs infinite wisdom, they moved the show to November, which is still dive season (although it is winding down) in a lot of the USA. When do they hold a consumer show? In the summer in a destination. When I was asked if I wanted to participate, I laughed.

There are a lot of folks who will remember this differently than me, as I said, I am a relative newby.

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Now back to the OP... will you be attending the Dive Fest in Ft Lauderdale? Please justify your answer and let us know what it would take for you to consider buying a booth there. (Obviously, I am assuming that you are not considering it at this point, so correct me if I am wrong.)

First off, no, I would not even consider attending. I laughed when I heard about it. The current BOD has destroyed DEMA, and I'm considering dropping out all together. It's the wrong venue at the wrong time of the year and the cost to participate cannot possibly be justified.

I would consider attending if it were held in the winter, in a large population center of divers at about 1/2 the booth price. Oh! I've just described BTS, OWU, and most of Brad's shows. A DEMA consumer show is superfluous.
 
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The manufacturers I have talked with are equally as opposed to it since DEMA wants them to sell direct to the consumer. As it sits right now, it appears that DEMA might be hosting a show with mostly non-scuba retailers at this point! Without the needed support, you need to thumb the dive (show).

As a store owner this statement is new and shocking information. Dema has actually approached manufacturers and requested they sell directly to the public?

If this is true my finacial support for Dema is over. I know the argument that we should support them because its the best we have, but if that's the best partner I have I am better off on my own.
Any manufacturer that goes along with Dema's idea will either be terminated from my store or will never be in my store whichever case may apply.

Back to the Unified Dive Industry we go!!
 

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