Naui master diver vs divemaster water skills?

[JDMerk]

Wouldn't it be nice If someone would start a thread with all the requierments per,
cert,
agency.
Not a disussion thread but just a info thread for the new wannabe divers.

That would be a great idea for a sticky...any of you multi-agency instructors up to the task?

 

[Walter]

Am I correct in my thinking?

Close, but no banana.

I was thinking that for the PADI Master Diver rating, you had to take 5 specialty courses, pass of course, and then you "get the patch" so to speak. So there is no real course to take for Master Diver but you have to pass a series of courses to "get the patch/card.

You also have to log 50 dives and buy the card.

So in the NAUI Master Diver rating, do you still have to have 5 specialty courses behind you and then take an actual class that is a Master Diver class with classroom and dives as a part?

No specialty classes are required, just the Master Diver Class.

If that is the case, then I can see how the Master Diver rating for NAUI may be thought of as a higher standard/rating than the PADI one because you are still taking specialties AND another course to boot.

Without the 5 specialties, its a better program, IMO because you can get a PADI Master Diver card with any 5 specialties, for example: Equipment Specialist (no dives and a repeat of info on operation and maintenance that was covered in OW), Boat Diver (2 dives from a boat and a review of boat diving proceedures that was covered in OW), Multilevel Diver (2 dives and learn how to dive with the computer you already know how to use) Peak Performance Buoyancy (2 dives and learn the buoyancy control you should have learned in OW), Project AWARE (no dives, study the issues concerning aquatic environments)

from my OW class I remember the minimum requirement for us was to swim 250 yards non-stop, 25 yards underwater, tread water for 15 mins, etc. So are there any for master diver? Are they different? What are the requirements for Divemaster and/or AI?

NAUI's requirements have changed over the years. For the SCUBA Diver course (what most agencies call Open Water), it was once 225 yards, 50 feet and 15 minutes, The 225 yards has been changed to something like 15 stroke cycles (I'm not a NAUI instructor and my copy of thei standards is from before the change, so I'm not sure of the number of cycles).

AI requirement is 25 yds underwater (one breath, no dive, no push off), 450 yds within 10 minutes, then an additional 25 yds, transport another person of similar size 50 yds, survival swimming for 20 minutes. There are additional skin diving and SCUBA skills required. The DM class has nothing like the AI requirements, but AI is required prior to DM.

Wouldn't it be nice If someone would start a thread with all the requierments per,
cert,
agency.
Not a disussion thread but just a info thread for the new wannabe divers.

A huge job and it would turn into a discussion and might result in a lawsuit.

 

[seaducer]

You also have to log 50 dives and buy the card.

Plus certification up to the rescue course. The AOW and Rescue classes do not count towards the 5 specialty classes, they are in addition to.

 

[BDSC]

Walter.....

Thanks for the info and I'd have to agree that the NAUI course would be of more value IF someone opted for the easier 5 specialties with PADI. Now if they took all the similar courses with PADI that is covered under the NAUI program, the training probably wouldn't be all that different. It would be interesting to hear from someone who has done both, if someone would do both of course.

 

[seaducer]

Walter.....

Thanks for the info and I'd have to agree that the NAUI course would be of more value IF someone opted for the easier 5 specialties with PADI. Now if they took all the similar courses with PADI that is covered under the NAUI program, the training probably wouldn't be all that different. It would be interesting to hear from someone who has done both, if someone would do both of course.

I am not sure but I seem to remember on a previous diver master master diver thread that the NAUI course contains roughly the same physics and other acedemic information as the DM courses do, where it differs is in "demonstration" level skills. If this is true then the NAUI course would be very valuable.

At any rate, if you were to compare the courses, you would have to rate the PADI rating based on the easiest classes that count, since you could theoretically take those to get the rating. At least with the NAUI program you what the diver had to prove.

 

[douglasville diver]

I would have to say that the requierments are to make your instructor happy with your proformance ,sometimes thats not easy to do with a naui instructor but it will end up with you being a much better prepared diver

 

[uncleavi]

Here is what I would do.
Fly two of you up here and I would make one of you a PADI Master Scuba Diver and the other a NAUI Master Scuba Diver. Then have a third person judge who is the better diver and make sure that neither diver tells the judge.
The diving is great right now and since I am a PADI and NAUI Instructor who has no Ax to grind and no desire to try and sound like I know all there is to know about diving(I don't).
It would be fun and good for me as well. PM me if you really want to know what I think about PADI and NAUI.

 

[Thalassamania]

Let's talk about how the NAUI courses were intended to plug together. NAUI Master Diver's the top non-leadership course. It was designed (by me, BTW) to create a diver that had all the knowledge and skills expected of any NAUI leadership rating, less the leadership stuff. In fact, it (or equivalent) was designed to be a prerequisite for all NAUI leadership courses and thus provide a place where all the requisite knowledge and skills could be offered to divers. After Master Diver one could go one of three ways, AI, DM or Instructor Prep. So as you can see it is radically differnent than the PADI, "collect a few cards and send cash."

 

[SeaCobra]

Another important difference to note is that the NAUI Master Diver Course is not a specialty course. It is a full blown, filled to the gills certification course that not only requires 8 dives, but the academics are very challenging. What I really like is that it not only teaches the academics, but the practical applications of it in your every day diving life.

BTW - it is also vary useful if you progress towards technical diving.

Jeff

 

[divengolf]

Let's talk about how the NAUI courses were intended to plug together. NAUI Master Diver's the top non-leadership course. It was designed (by me, BTW) to create a diver that had all the knowledge and skills expected of any NAUI leadership rating, less the leadership stuff. In fact, it (or equivalent) was designed to be a prerequisite for all NAUI leadership courses and thus provide a place where all the requisite knowledge and skills could be offered to divers. After Master Diver one could go one of three ways, AI, DM or Instructor Prep. So as you can see it is radically differnent than the PADI, "collect a few cards and send cash."

Does the NAUI Master Diver require Rescue?? If not, where does Rescue fit into the progression? I understood that Rescue had to be completed before DM, etc.

BTW I elected to go directly to Rescue at about 75 dives, then onto Adv. Nitrox plus Deco I. I don't have the patience with idiots to be a DM.