NAUI Open Water II = AOW?

Discussion in 'Advanced Scuba Discussions' started by SanDiegoSidemount, Nov 27, 2013.

  1. SanDiegoSidemount

    SanDiegoSidemount DIR Practitioner

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    I'm wondering if this card from 1988 counts as "AOW" for purposes of dive operations that require AOW for dives over 60'. This is the last diving I did that involved getting a pretty piece of plastic at the end.

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  2. Jim Lapenta

    Jim Lapenta Tech Diver

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    I would count it. But then I know what it actually means. I'd guess a bunch of places would have no idea.
     
  3. SanDiegoSidemount

    SanDiegoSidemount DIR Practitioner

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    Hm, maybe this plus a copy of my logs from the last 25 years? Or at least the last couple of years?
     
  4. nimoh

    nimoh Public Safety Diver

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    I would show it just to see the reaction :)
     
  5. Teller

    Teller Scuba Instructor

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    If Im questioning a students skill level I go do a fun dive with them. The truth comes out in the water.
     
  6. SanDiegoSidemount

    SanDiegoSidemount DIR Practitioner

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    I'm referring to locations/operations that have company "rules" about AOW for certain trips. I don't have experience with these, and wouldn't want the lack of the right plastic to mess up my opportunity to dive sites I've been dreaming of.
     
  7. WheelsUSN

    WheelsUSN Scuba Instructor

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    The instructor that did my NAUI OW II class in '86 issued me a PADI AOW at the same time for completing the same dives. The only issue you might have is if someone doesn't know that what NAUI now calls Advanced Scuba Diver was called Openwater II until 1995. If you are really worried about it you can order a replacement card from NAUI and the one you get will say Advanced Scuba Diver but personally I wouldn't spend the $32.
     
  8. SanDiegoSidemount

    SanDiegoSidemount DIR Practitioner

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    This is good to know. It may be cheap insurance for me to get a more "modern" version of my C card to show.
     
  9. RJP

    RJP PADI Pro

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    We'd accept it on our boat as "AOW" - wouldn't spend the money to "upgrade" to the modern version of the card.
     
  10. Teller

    Teller Scuba Instructor

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    Call NAUI. They might be able to send you a new card that says AOW.
     
  11. RJP

    RJP PADI Pro

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    Fixed it for you.

    :d
     
  12. iluvtheocean

    iluvtheocean Loggerhead Turtle

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    i would get a new card from them --- 1. for less possible hassle on the boat 2. the original card is now a collector's item :)

    and depending on how good of a talker you are -- might get it for free or cost of shipping? and how high up you can get.
     
  13. Teller

    Teller Scuba Instructor

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    Thanks
     
  14. WheelsUSN

    WheelsUSN Scuba Instructor

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    You can order one by searching for yourself using their online diver verification site and ordering a replacement when your information comes up.

    NAUI Diver Lookup

    If the system can't find you it's because they used to use your name and SSN to reference your records and now they use your name and birthdate. If you call them they will find your info and update it with your birthdate so that the database can find you. I have done it for my certification and for students that I have worked with and it never took more than a few minutes to get the information updated.
     
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  15. Agree, I would not spend the $32 either. I actually prefer the old card. Given the current course content and training outline, "Openwater II" seem to me to be the more appropriate title anyway.
     
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  16. scjoe

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    My recollection is that PADI came up with the term AOW as purely a marketing ploy (that worked). Wouldn't you want a card that said Advanced, rather than one that indicated that you had just taken the next course? Unfortunately, NAUI and everyone else follow PADI's lead.
     
  17. scubadada

    scubadada Diver ScubaBoard Supporter

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    Current nomenclature appears to be Advanced Scuba Diver, 6 dives including deep, nav, night/low vis, and 3 others. Is this simialr to your OW II?
     
  18. Goodtime Adventures

    Goodtime Adventures Barracuda

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    We'd accept it as the direct equivalent of PADI AOW or SSI AA. There is plenty info about it online too, even for shops that haven't encountered it before - including the name change from Advanced Scuba Diver (eg Advanced Open Water Diver - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia - check the issues section for name change info).

    I'd say you're due for a refresher if you havn't dived since you got it though ;)
     
  19. SanDiegoSidemount

    SanDiegoSidemount DIR Practitioner

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    My course was probably the next best thing to Navy SEAL training. A 5-credit semester long college course, with a UC Berkeley Scientific Diver cert and NAUI Open Water II at the end. 2 hours 3 days/week in the classroom, one 4 hour session in the pool every week, 8 days at the ocean, 20 open water dives in Northern California winter/spring conditions. (High surf, poor vis, cold temps.) I don't think we left any topic or type of diving untouched, except for hard-core tech stuff. (I ended up being an instructor in the same program for 7 years.)

    Other than the years I lived away from the ocean in Colorado, I've been in the water regularly ever since. A lot more in the last few years since I moved to San Diego.

    ---------- Post added November 29th, 2013 at 11:53 AM ----------

    I think I do have the experience necessary to do so-called "advanced" dives. I'm just concerned if I have the right plastic to show to dive operators with strict rules about such things. Of course the only plastic that some some ops care about is the one that says "Visa" on it. ;)
     
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  20. Jim Lapenta

    Jim Lapenta Tech Diver

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    Not true at all! MasterCard and Discover work pretty well also. And if you have an AmEx gold, platinum, or black then you are really qualified for damn near anything some places.
     
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