hudson
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YouTube - A deceptively easy way to die
YouTube - A deceptively easy way to die
Question about cave diving
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GLENFWB
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It is great that you recognize the dangers. The reality is you might not have much luck with your friend who has such a "cavalier attitude", but it is worth trying. Remind him that actions like he took the other day have killed many divers. The 911 videos UCFDIVER posted are a great place to start. We had to watch those when I took my Cavern class.
I would explain that if he has no regard for his safety, at least consider the safety of others. I would certainly speak with the diver that had the problem in the cavern. Explain to her the complete stupidity of doing a "trust me" dive. At least for her this incident can possibly be a teachable moment. Many new divers still have a relationship with their instructor. Maybe their instructor could help impress on them the dangers of overhead environments.
Obviously how you say something can be as important as what you say. But don't worry about making your friend mad....just tell him you are only saying this to him because you would rather have him mad at you and alive, then remain dead friends!
I would explain that if he has no regard for his safety, at least consider the safety of others. I would certainly speak with the diver that had the problem in the cavern. Explain to her the complete stupidity of doing a "trust me" dive. At least for her this incident can possibly be a teachable moment. Many new divers still have a relationship with their instructor. Maybe their instructor could help impress on them the dangers of overhead environments.
Obviously how you say something can be as important as what you say. But don't worry about making your friend mad....just tell him you are only saying this to him because you would rather have him mad at you and alive, then remain dead friends!
LiteHedded
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hopefully someone can meet him and maybe hop in the water with him somewhere. maybe a blue grotto type place. I'd do it but I'm out of commission for a while
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Order the DVD "A Deceptively Easy way to Die" off of the website found at: National Speleological Society Cave Diving Section and click on the "shop" tab. I saw a link to this DVD on YouTube on an post prior to this one, if this link works ask your friend to watch it.
A Deceptively easy way to Die
Be vigilant with your friend and insist that he mends his ways before he becomes a statistic. Encourage him to take a cavern class.
A Deceptively easy way to Die
Be vigilant with your friend and insist that he mends his ways before he becomes a statistic. Encourage him to take a cavern class.
vinegarbiscuit
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+ 1 for Hudson and Capt_Jim_Wyatt. I watched that tape when beginning my cave education in Florida, and it scared the pants off me. Another thing that might work for your friend: point him (and his companion) in the direction of the accidents/incidents board. Maybe he'll recognize himself in some of those situations, and back the hell off. I hope your mate manages to meet some of the cave divers that have already offered their services on this thread, too - jolly decent of them.
It's a hard situation, no question about it. Some folks simply don't know how dangerous their actions can be, and are very amenable to changing their ways once they've been presented with the facts (facts that in cave diving's case, were learned at the awful cost of people's lives). Others won't listen whatsoever, and still others will nod and pay lip-service to the need for cave-training and experience, before turning 'round and breaking the rules anyway. I truly hope your mate falls into the first category. All the very best. He's lucky to have a friend like you.
It's a hard situation, no question about it. Some folks simply don't know how dangerous their actions can be, and are very amenable to changing their ways once they've been presented with the facts (facts that in cave diving's case, were learned at the awful cost of people's lives). Others won't listen whatsoever, and still others will nod and pay lip-service to the need for cave-training and experience, before turning 'round and breaking the rules anyway. I truly hope your mate falls into the first category. All the very best. He's lucky to have a friend like you.
I think, if he's the kind of person I suspect he is, the best thing is to strongly encourage him into a cavern class. If he's a daredevil, he's isn't going to stop doing what he's doing just because somebody tells him to, or because somebody ELSE got into trouble. But doing a lost line drill might -- just might -- give him a wake-up call.
All of my recreational students have to watch the videos in my signature line. Unfortunately, more instructors don't do that. I'll be at Vortex the next couple of days if your friend is available. If he's willing, I can take him on a dive that will change his attitude... 
ucfdiver
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I've heard that about diving with you!All of my recreational students have to watch the videos in my signature line. Unfortunately, more instructors don't do that. I'll be at Vortex the next couple of days if your friend is available. If he's willing, I can take him on a dive that will change his attitude...
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