wetsuit questions

Discussion in 'Basic Scuba Discussions' started by konacoffeediver, Mar 27, 2009.

  1. konacoffeediver

    konacoffeediver Angel Fish

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    So I just completed my AOW last sunday. I have finally pieced all my gear together except for a wetsuit. Ive been diving with rentals which are deep see 3mm shortie and john. I like the shortie but I still have some practicing to do with my bouyancy and have hit my leg on coral a few times. So now ive decided that full suit is the way to go. Water around Kona is about 75 degrees year round. Ive been leaning towards the Pinnacle cruiser 5mm on leisure pro. Gonna go to LDS and try them on.

    Would a 5mm be too warm? I figure the 3mm shortie plus john that ive been wearing equals 6mm at the core. When I went on my first night dive I did get a little chilled. Most of my male instructors have worn 3mm suits and most of the female DM's wear 5mm. Is there a big difference from the 3mm to 5mm suits.

    thanks for any feedback
     
  2. kathydee

    kathydee Surface Interval Member

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  3. LIVES4SHARKS

    LIVES4SHARKS SHARK DIVA AI ScubaBoard Supporter

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    I love my Mares Trilastic 5-4-3. It has been comfortable and very easy to move in. Like KathyDee said, it all depends on how cold you get during your dives. I dive in water from the mid 60's to high 70's in my 5mil. I also wear a 5mil hood. Definitely try on a few and see what works best for you.

    Good luck!
    Carolyn:shark2:
     
  4. padi613

    padi613 Angel Fish

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    Hi Konacoffeediver well done on your AOW certification.
    Go for a suit that has reversable seals that way you can adjust the ammount of water flushing through
     
  5. Puffer Fish

    Puffer Fish Captain Happy ScubaBoard Supporter

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    Welcome to Scuba Board.

    Wetsuit warmth is first and foremost fit.. then material.

    Any loose area will cause water to flush in and out of the suit.

    Some people are easy to fit, others...not so. Kathydeee had to try on all sorts of different brands to find a good fit. Me, not so much.
     
  6. Garrobo

    Garrobo Great White

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    Wearing a shorty and getting jabbed now and then should make you a better diver by making you more aware of where the bottom is. Personally, I don't want anything on my arms or legs. The coldest I have dove is in 63 degree bottom water on the Speigle Grove last winter in a 2mm shorty. The surface water was 73 degrees and it was a little chilly. Next dive, shallow reef, I put on a 2mm vest with the shorty and overheated. I guess some people feel the cold more than others. In my case, so long as I keep the skin on my sides warm, I'm OK. Another couple things that I can't stand to wear is a hood or booties. The hoods are too restrictive and the booties feel like mush. So it's bald head and open-toed Force Fins for me.
     
  7. diver 85

    diver 85 Orca

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    Remember, can always add skins(~$40US) underneath a shortie....Will give you all the protection you need & still keep you aware of needed proper bouyancy ie you'll feel the reef, lol.........
     
  8. SteveAD

    SteveAD Scuba Instructor

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    I hope I read this wrong, but if the intention is to purchase from leisurepro, going to the LDS to try it on is exactly why so many LDS owners dislike online buyers. If you're taking advantage of the LDS services, they deserve your business.
     
  9. elan

    elan DIR Practitioner

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    You do not really get too warm underwater. You lose heat as the temperature is lower than your body temperature. You can only overheat on the surface. Last time I was diving the wetsuit it was 6 mil full with a hood, we dove in Marcelle in 75 F water. I was chilled at the end of the dive. If you are going to dive a lot get a full 5 mil with a hood. You do not really appreciate the hood until you start diving with it. After I have tried I do not really want to dive without it :) Also I would not buy any suit online as you cannot feel it and check how it fits and for the wetsuit its important.
     
  10. ktownhero

    ktownhero Nassau Grouper

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    Amen! I always see so much written about how much wetsuit protection you need for EVERYTHING, and I never understood why. Glad to see a more experienced diver that's of a differing opinion. I'm the same way.
     
  11. konacoffeediver

    konacoffeediver Angel Fish

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    No this is correct. The LDS I go to already has plenty of my money. They have said to try them on if Im buying online. The problem living in Hawaii is that the LDS's charge at least double more often than not, more than double for the stuff they have, this is pricey even with the 10% discount I get. Locals call it tourist pricing. It happens in a lot of stores around town.

    thanks to everyone for there feedback. Kathylee thanks for the LP link I didn't even look for scubapro wuitsuits online. I was under the impression that scubapro didn't authorize their items to be sold online. The scubapro everflex fits like a glove. which it sound like is the main goal.
     
  12. Monkey_Gland

    Monkey_Gland Nassau Grouper

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    Get the 5mm. It's more versatile in the long run and as you do more dives in a day you'll appreciate that little bit extra.

    I've always been a big fan of O'Neill wetsuits. But's that just me.

    BTW Any LDS worth their salt should match an online price for big ticket items as long as you don't quibble when buying the small stuff.
     
  13. mikeyjoe

    mikeyjoe Divemaster

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    I switched from a shortie to a full suit for my warm water dives ever since I brushed against fire coral around the edge of a hatch in a wreck. :shakehead: Good protection from jellies, too......

    I don't think you should worry about overheating down below in a 5mm - topside is another story.....

    Congrats on AOW :D- Rescue is a great course - very worthwhile.....
     
  14. friscuba

    friscuba Dive Shop

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    The 5 mil would sure be nice right now, but it hasn't been this cold in the 10 years I've lived here, a fisherman we were talking with said the last time he's seen it this cold was '94. Typically it drops to 74/75 early in the year, then climbs to 81/82 by fall, last year it never got much above 79 for some reason (I had only a couple days of seeing 80 on the boat last year) and we're really feeling the cold now, it was around 71-ish a couple weeks back.

    You left out a couple of things: gender, height and weight and you'd have your answer in a second.

    If in doubt go heavy, but most average build or larger guys guys do fine in a 3 mil year round when water temps are typical, women might want more, average build or smaller women typically prefer a 5 except when it's warm. A hood can do wonders when it cools from January to March/April. The more you dive, the more thermal protection you'll want, most of the dive every day dive guides here end up in 5s or 7s or more down the line. I went with a 3 mil full for 7 years, jumped up to a 4/3 for this year and will be in a 5 come next winter, but I'm on the larger side.

    One comment... the local dive shops aren't charging double, they're charging standard retail, usually MSRP. When I moved here from Oregon, I'd been all over Oregon, Washington and Northern California looking at gear and prices in Kona were the same, and in many cases better since there are 4-5 scuba retailers within a few miles of each other here. It might be double of what the warehouse wholesale to the public guys charge, but they're playing by different rules than a typical retailer. You'll find Hawaii/Kona type prices in nearly any dive store on the mainland, the tourists aren't getting overcharged by mainland retail standards here when it comes to scuba equipment.


    Have fun.
     
  15. elan

    elan DIR Practitioner

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    make that 2, We were looking for a wetsuit for my wife and you know for girls finding the right suit is a pain. She tried many shops and at least 10 different wetsuits and finally O'Neill with it's material could sit perfect on her. I was also impressed with the quality of the seams and material.

    I paid 2.5 times as little for my Evo wetsuit but Evo is junk :D
     
  16. ruready7

    ruready7 Barracuda

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    I got have a 5mm Pinnacle that I love. It is worn down to 60 degrees. After 60 a hood is added. Dont worry about overheating underwater, you can always break the seal and let in more water to cool you off.
     
  17. konacoffeediver

    konacoffeediver Angel Fish

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    im 6'4" 245 male. Thanks steve have never really looked at water temps in kona before i started diving. I just knew the water was a little chillier in th sping than fall. Thought it was normal for the lows we have been having was 72 at 40' two weeks ago. my house get rather cold in the spring so i thought nothing of it. NOW you tell me it might get up to 80 in the water in the fall. however i think in the long run a 5mm will be more versitle than a 3mm. or maybe a 3mm with a hood like you said. Aaaargh decisions, decisions.

    Also never been to any dive shops on the mainland so I just figured the higher prices than the internet were because of the usual tourist/shipping mark up we see. glad to know dive shops everywhere are gouging us. J/K please only a joke no need to get upset if you have a dive shop i find a lot of good deals in them and it really helps with my instant gratification problem.
     
  18. Damselfish

    Damselfish Orca

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    Poor buoyancy control and thermal considerations aren't the only reasons to get a full suit. Even if you're perfect, sometimes things come and get you, or clumsy people push you into things, or the boat is banging around. Then there's the funny tan lines...
     
  19. Garrobo

    Garrobo Great White

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    I have found that if you live in a hot climate the water temp affects you more than us Northerners. Just this January I was diving in the Upper Keys in 75/63 water in a 2mm shorty and a 2mm vest and was plenty warm. The local lady DM on the boat actually told me that she had on 15mm of neoprene to stay warm. Looked like a female Michelen Man. Some of them down there actually use dry suits. I lived in Honduras for a while and the locals were wearing jackets, going around with runny noses and colds, when the temperature was around 75-80 in December and January. They thought I was nutz for jumping in the water at CocaCola beach when they were all wrapped up BBQ'ing chicken and fish. Heard a lot of comments like "Crazy Gringo".
     
  20. friscuba

    friscuba Dive Shop

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    At 6'4" my guess if you're 215/220 and up you'll generally probably do fine with just a full 3 mil, maybe with a hood or a shorty or vest under the full suit if you're on the cool side. If you're on the slender side, say 200 or under, that 5 will be sounding pretty good 'til it warms up come mid-summer.

    You might want to see if you can find a good deal on a 3 mil and also on a vest or shorty so you can just layer during the cooler seasons.

    Man it's been cold. I've taken to wearing a 3 mil shorty under my 4/3 the last few weeks, it helps greatly.

    As far as the pricing thing goes, I just wanted to set it straight that prices at dive shops here are generally in line with shops on the mainland.... it's not like walking down Ali'i drive or at the resorts and looking for overpriced trinkets or casual wear.

    Aloha,
     

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