Write Up of Near Death in Monterey

Discussion in 'Accidents and Incidents' started by jjjjeremy, Mar 14, 2013.

  1. jjjjeremy

    jjjjeremy Nassau Grouper

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  2. JohnN

    JohnN Loggerhead Turtle

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    WOW !!

    Best wishes for a continued recovery
     
  3. shake-and-bake

    shake-and-bake Single Diver

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    I hope the shop/instructors are disclosed. At present all SSI shops that train in Monterey are tainted, not just the miscreants.
     
  4. raftingtigger

    raftingtigger Divemaster

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    There are multiple horrific details in this story I hardly know where to start. Just makes my skin crawl reading it. The part that bothers me the most was the instructor's insistence on forcing a malfunctioning regulator on the student, and even in knocking away the student's attempt to use a functioning one (her alternate).

    If any of the other students are here on the board maybe they can put in their observations, even if it is only about the 'extra' lessons while geared up.

    Lastly, Scott, run don't crawl to get your gf evaluated and treated if needed for PTSD (if not already done). You might consider such an evaluation for yourself. This had to extremely traumatic.
     
  5. peterbj7

    peterbj7 Dive Shop Owner

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    This is absolutely appalling. You MUST name the "instructors" and the shop (if any) that employed them. If this had happened in Britain their actions would constitute criminal assault and maybe even attempted murder.
     
  6. grassgreen

    grassgreen Single Diver

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    Not familiar with any SSI standars but 13 ow students to 2 instructors seems alot????
     
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  7. Dive-Boarder

    Dive-Boarder Angel Fish

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    A terrible account to read, but also very moving. Very best wishes to your girlfriend for her continued recovery, and to you also.
     
  8. mdb

    mdb ScubaBoard Sponsor ScubaBoard Sponsor

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  9. Jim Lapenta

    Jim Lapenta Tech Diver

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    This shop needs to be named and shut down. That SSI is not responding or even communicating with them is disgusting. I will be at Beneath the Sea next week. Maybe if I run into Mr. McNeese I'll ask him about this. Will have to print out the article next week to do that.
     
  10. Wah

    Wah Defender!

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    My blood is boiling reading this.
     
  11. antattack

    antattack Divemaster

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    A quick look at the SSI web site shows that there are three SSI shops in the bay area and Monterey.

    One of them, Wallins, has been out of business for more than a year, so we know it isn't that one.

    The other two SSI shops have the same name. So, the name of the shop isn't really a mystery. I've never take a class from the most popular dive shop in Monterey but it seems like a well run shop. I wonder what became of the instructors. I know that with PADI, instructors have to file an incident report if there is an injury during a class. This results in an investigation and follow up actions. I sure hope SSI does the same thing, this needs to be cleaned up so it cannot happen again.
     
  12. TSandM

    TSandM Missed and loved by many.

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    I don't think the person who posted the link is the person who wrote the account -- at least the author's name is Scott, and the OP's username is Jeremy.

    Clearly, there was a horrible accident here, and we don't intubate people at random, so the woman in the story really did breathe a lot of water.

    Did she do it because the instruction was horrible? Or because her boyfriend would not stay out of the way and let her focus on her class?

    We have heard one side of this story, and it's presented in as dramatic a fashion as possible. I suspect there were instructional errors made, some of them serious -- but I also don't think all the problems are on one side of the story. I suspect we had a very experienced boyfriend who may well have been a nuisance from the beginning of the class, may have led his GF to believe her instructors were terrible and shaken her confidence in them.

    I base this on having been through something at least a little similar -- I tried to do the mask clearing skill on my OW checkout dives and got a throat full of water. I choked and got terribly frightened and gave my instructor the thumb. She refused my request to surface, and refused it twice. She was RIGHT! I choked through the experience, got the skills done, and learned an incredibly useful lesson, which was that I could work my way through something that made me want to bolt. That probably prevented an accident or injury for me about a year later, when I had to do the same thing on a non-instructional dive.

    I don't know what the truth of this story is. We have heard one very well written and very intense side of it. We have not heard the other (and I suspect we won't). Clearly, the student diver went through a horrible experience, and one that may end diving for her. Exactly what the dynamics were that led to this are unclear, and probably always will be.
     
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  13. shake-and-bake

    shake-and-bake Single Diver

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    "One of them, Wallins, has been out of business for more than a year, so we know it isn't that one.

    The other two SSI shops have the same name. So, the name of the shop isn't really a mystery."

    I hope you're wrong but I doubt it; I came to the same conclusion. But it saddens me, because I was trained (very professionally) by that shop, including OW check-out dives at Breakwater, and know them to be well-regarded in the local diving community. But if they did this terrible thing -- assuming the description of what occurred is accurate -- they must be held accountable.
     
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  14. Rkelleyj

    Rkelleyj Angel Fish

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    Yes and yes.


    Yes.

    Glad it worked out!
     
  15. SeaHorse81

    SeaHorse81 Manta Ray

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  16. Jim Lapenta

    Jim Lapenta Tech Diver

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    The author of the articel is Scott Cassel. He is somewhat well known and is indeed an experienced diver. And more. I don't know him and until now had not heard of him but I know some of his work. Didn't know it was his but I've seen some of the filmwork. A google search turned up a few things. Whether they add to his credibility or not I leave to each one to decide. I agree with Lynne about the well written dramatic account. I have a question for Lynne that was presented to me and I don't have an answer. Can you please give your professional opinion as a physician on this section:


    The second we broke the surface I heard her gurgle and throw-up. She then made the effort to breathe, but all I heard was a horrible and distinct gurgle upon inhaling. Her first breath was used to beg me in a tiny pathetic but heart-wrenching plea “please save me Scott, “please save me, “please save me”. Each syllable was joined by horrible deadly gurgles.

    If somebody has inhaled so much water that they’re gurgling, how can they possibly get air through their larynx at all, let alone manage to form intelligible sounds? I wouldn’t think this is possible, but perhaps you know better.

    Italics from the article, bold is question that was emailed to me.

    Scott Cassel's info:
    Scott Cassell - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    http://www.mnn.com/earth-matters/wi...h-scott-cassell-scuba-diver-attempting-record
    The Undersea Voyager Project - The Undersea Voyager Project

    And this interesting thread from right here on SB. Seems he may be a factual account person:
    http://www.scubaboard.com/forums/ma...st-giant-squid-found-scott-cassells-blog.html
     
  17. tech_diver

    tech_diver Equipment Manufacturer

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    Obviously, the conduct of the instructors was outrageous (given an accurate account). Unfortunately, over the years, I have met occasional hate-filled,disfunctional freaks and some of them have been scuba instructors.

    What I don't understand is why the writer would go out of the way to mention SSI repeatedly but not name the instructor or the shop? If an agency is responsible for the conduct of its instructors, isn't a dive shop also resposible in some way for the conduct of its instructors?
     
  18. antattack

    antattack Divemaster

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    To be fair, they may have quietly taken corrective actions.
    The instructors may not be directly affiliated.
    The instructors may be from a shop further away.

    So, it might not be that very popular dive shop and/or remedial action may have been taken.

    It would be nice to know that the system works though.
     
  19. awap

    awap Giant Squid

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    Under what conditions should one diver refuse to allow another diver to thumb a dive?
     
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  20. AaronA

    AaronA Angel Fish

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    Wow what a horrible story. I cant imagine living through that ordeal. Thank god she lived. I hope in the end those SSI instructors pay for this.
     

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