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Old December 3rd, 2007, 08:09 AM   #1
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3 Missing in deep dive incident - Mexico

Last night the International Association of Dive Rescue Specialists (International Association of Dive Rescue Specialists) was requested to assist in the rescue/recovery of three divers missing in a cave in Mexico. The call for assistance was referred to Neal Watson since the IADRS does not specialize in "cave" rescue/recovery; the International Underwater Cave Rescue and Recovery Team does.

I have scanned news sources this morning and I am unable to locate anything online. Does anyone know any of the pertinent details?
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Old December 3rd, 2007, 09:59 AM   #2
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It's in Spanish ... I'll try to find out more from my local contacts.
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Old December 3rd, 2007, 10:34 AM   #3
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Here's what I gather with my limited Spanish...
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The search continues for 3 people who disappeared during an advanced course sponsored by the Uzueta Diving Company in which 20 people were participating near the Arcs of Mismaloya at a site called Fascione del Diablo. Missing are Sergio Lopez, a cameraman & reporter for the Televisa company, Ulises Sanchez Mayorga and Alexander Tovar Garcia, according to Pinto German, Assistant director of Evaluation and Pursuit of Civil defense of the State. Esteban Calderón, life-guard of Vallarta Port, was given first aid and transferred to a hyperbaric chamber after suffering decompression sickness. According to the investigations, the 20 people organized themselves in four groups of five to receive the diving instruction. They lost the guideline in the current. Yesterday, 80 people participated in the search, supported by a helicopter, elements of Civil defense, Naval Zone, Technological Institute of the Sea, expert divers of different companies and the Federal Commission of Electricity. Boats swept about 30 miles of coastline.
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I'm sure I have substantive errors in my translation... I gather there's a coastal cave involved? or was this open water?
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Old December 3rd, 2007, 11:16 AM   #4
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De acuerdo a las investigaciones, 20 personas se organizaron en cuatro grupos de cinco para recibir la instrucción de buceo, instalaron un anclaje de 10 kilos, pero en un momento determinado se sintió un jalón de corriente bastante fuerte y se perdió la línea de vida. (cuerda que mantiene en contacto con el exterior a los buzos).

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Investigation has revealed, 20 people organized in groups of 5 to receive the diving instruction, tied to a 22 pound anchor, but in a certain moment a pretty strong current was felt and the life line was lost. (line which the divers used to maintain contact with the outside(exterior))

This paragraph implies that it was a cave dive.

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Old December 3rd, 2007, 11:58 AM   #5
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A cameraman from Televisa
Two elements of Civil Protection
By Susana Carreño

The search continues, after which 20 people attended this weekend at an advanced diving course, taught by the company Uzueta Diving, in the vicinity of Arcos de Mismaloya, on the site known as the Gavión Devil.

3 people are missing, it is Sergio Lopez, cameraman, a reporter for Televisa company, Ulises Sanchez Tovar Mayorga and Alejandro Garcia, Civil Protection of Jalisco, reported Germán Pinto, Deputy Director of Evaluation and Monitoring of the State Civil Defense.

Esteban Calderon, a lifeguard in Puerto Vallarta, was met and transferred to the hyperbaric chamber available to the Navy, after he suffered decompensation.

According to investigations, 20 people were organized into four groups of five to receive instruction diving, installed an anchor of 10 kilograms, but in a given moment was a milestone current strong enough and lost his life line. (Rope that keeps in contact with the outside world to divers).

Yesterday, 80 people, said Germán Pinto, traveled more than 30 nautical miles in the search for the missing, backed by a helicopter, elements Civil Defense, Navy, Technological Institute of the Sea, divers experts from different companies and the Commission Federal de Electricidad, boats were given the task of carrying out a sweeping look at the coast.
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I don't see where people are gathering it was a cave dive. Both articles said they were holding on to a 10KG weighted line (doesn't ring cave dive to me), said they were taking advanced training (doesn't say cave dive), 20 people in four groups of 5 (probably not cave training), swept away in the current (would be flow in a cave, but could be an expected editorial mistake) and lastly they searched 30 miles of coastline (there isn't a coastling in a cave).

Sounds like something similar to AOW training going on and 3 people lost their hold on an anchor line or some type of preplaced guidline for holding their place in the current. Don't know for sure, but that is what both the articles say to me. I don't see cave dive anywhere or even a hint towards cave dive.

Regardless of they type of diving though, I hope they find them all safe.
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Old December 3rd, 2007, 12:46 PM   #7
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Although there is no mention of a cave, the following line states they lost the line with which they maintained contact with the outside. Outside of what? Since the implication is that they lost the line to the outside I gathered that they were in some kind of enclosed enviroment, hence, maybe a cave.


"cuerda que mantiene en contacto con el exterior a los buzos/line which the divers used to maintain contact with the outside

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Although there is no mention of a cave, the following line states they lost the line with which they maintained contact with the outside. Outside of what? Since the implication is that they lost the line to the outside I gathered that they were in some kind of enclosed enviroment, hence, maybe a cave.


"cuerda que mantiene en contacto con el exterior a los buzos/line which the divers used to maintain contact with the outside

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Outside = outside of the water or if you prefer, the surface, or the boat. They are all outside.

What kind of anchor do you bring in a cave???
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Old December 3rd, 2007, 02:25 PM   #10
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I'm not a cave diver so I don't know what kind of anchor you might bring to a cave dive. I just know I never took an anchor on an open water dive.
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