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Yep so you plan for a diver to drop out or not be able to go for some reason. And they may not even have had DAN insurance so again why file a plan with them? DAN is a great organization and I personally would not dive without it. But once you get into expedition diving of this type you set up other contingencies that bypass even DAN. This expedition was supported by:
Team of scientistsfrom Perm Science Institute, headed by the rector of Perm Science Institute (Russia), Doctor of Geological and Mineralogical Sciences Nikolai Maksimovich.
Italian geomorphologist, professor of Verona University, Giovanni Badino.
A special detachment from the Russian Ministry of Emergency Situations. I'm sure these guys had a team and plan in place to handle things better than DAN
Director of Research Center“Blue Lake”, the champion of Russia in deep diving Igor Galaida.
Dives of this type need to be thought of outside the realm of what recreational divers think of when talking of support. Not even in the same state, let alone ballpark. I suggest as a primer to pick up Tom Mount's "The Tao of Survival Underwater" for a beginning look at what expedition diving is.
Jim, I think that we are saying the same thing. As I said in my opening post, extreme diving equals extreme planning. Yet, with all that extreme planning this expedition went wrong on two separate days. Whilst the skills and experience required for such a dive far outstrip my capabilities, I would still be interested in understanding how two incidents took place here and what to learn (if anything) for future planning.
Russian Ministry for Civil Defence, Emergencies and Elimination of Consequences of Natural Disasters(MOE)
Russian Geographic Society
National Geographic
Nikon
SUBAL GmbH
Fourth Element
Analox
Santi
Imtech
Why they are using the techniques they are is a mystery to me. Great adventure footage?
Mr Robson is hardly your garden variety deep diver, and I think he is covered. Heck a death was merely a inconvenience in their plans. We are dealing with big Egos here.
Seems like a great way to kill divers vs a simple ROV that would collect more data over less time with zero risk of human life. The vis is so good ROV operation should be easy.
One dead, one being treated for DCS. I personally believe stunts like this are rather insane. More will likely die before all is said and done.
On a large pile of smokin' A'a, the most isolated population center on the face of the earth. 2,175 miles to Alaska, 2,390 miles to California; 3,850 miles to Japan; 4,900 miles to China; 5,280 miles to the Philippines.
A special detachment from the Russian Ministry of Emergency Situations. I'm sure these guys had a team and plan in place to handle things better than DAN
I rather doubt that either DAN or the Russian Ministry of Emergency Situations is (was) prepared for this.
I would really like to see an end to diving stunts and stupidity, especially when they cost lives.
I refuse to believe that corporations are people until Texas executes one.
"Too often ... people enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought" - Leapfrog
"They are the McDonalds of diver certification. Quick, inexpensive and tasty. Pardon me for saying so, but I also believe it to be a health hazard." - DCBC
"It truly does boil down to motivation ... if you believe something is hard, or unnecessary to learn, you won't learn it ... even if it's completely within your capability" - Bob (Grateful Diver)
Nothing after his arrival dives on January 15, but lots of background reading some of y'all might find of interest. I don't see any real follow-up articles...
Great news for vacation divers who cannot talk themselves into buying a personal CO tank tester!
>> Rent one for a week or longer here <<
Now let's see more CO readings in your trip reports, ok...??
On a large pile of smokin' A'a, the most isolated population center on the face of the earth. 2,175 miles to Alaska, 2,390 miles to California; 3,850 miles to Japan; 4,900 miles to China; 5,280 miles to the Philippines.
I refuse to believe that corporations are people until Texas executes one.
"Too often ... people enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought" - Leapfrog
"They are the McDonalds of diver certification. Quick, inexpensive and tasty. Pardon me for saying so, but I also believe it to be a health hazard." - DCBC
"It truly does boil down to motivation ... if you believe something is hard, or unnecessary to learn, you won't learn it ... even if it's completely within your capability" - Bob (Grateful Diver)
The Russian diver who died was Andrei Radionov. He was apparently well known in the Russian tech diving community. According to a spokesman "Radionov lost consciousness descending to 60 meter depth. When he was gotten to the surface he already had no pulse. A specialist concluded the cause of death was barotrauma."Lenta.ru:
On a large pile of smokin' A'a, the most isolated population center on the face of the earth. 2,175 miles to Alaska, 2,390 miles to California; 3,850 miles to Japan; 4,900 miles to China; 5,280 miles to the Philippines.
I refuse to believe that corporations are people until Texas executes one.
"Too often ... people enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought" - Leapfrog
"They are the McDonalds of diver certification. Quick, inexpensive and tasty. Pardon me for saying so, but I also believe it to be a health hazard." - DCBC
"It truly does boil down to motivation ... if you believe something is hard, or unnecessary to learn, you won't learn it ... even if it's completely within your capability" - Bob (Grateful Diver)
Barotrauma had to have killed him on the way up not on the way down. Why did he loose consciousness? Was he using a rebreather? If so, what sort?
Dive Bug suggested they were on Inspirations. From the blog pic for the Blue Lake Project it does look like an Insp or Evolution but that's hardly conclusive of what he/they were diving on these dives unless Dive Bug found some other info.
Dive Bug suggested they were on Inspirations. From the blog pic for the Blue Lake Project it does look like an Insp or Evolution but that's hardly conclusive of what he/they were diving on these dives unless Dive Bug found some other info.
John
Post #4 has a link to Martin Robson's blog. If you click on the Expeditions link in the blog you get the blog related to this expedition. Towards the bottom is a photo of a number of Inspirations with a thank you note for the sponsor. Clearly
Martin Robson and a number of others were on Inspirations. While it is very likely, we cannot conclusively say that the Russian diver was on an Inspiration as opposed to his own rebreather.
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