Computers/Timers?

CJ-62 · Jul 2, 2005

Greetings,
Is the recomendation to get a bottom timer and use tables integral to DIR training or just personal preferences being stated?
Is there a reason to avoid using a dive computer?

My assumptions are that a diver does not turn off his brain when he straps on a computer and that the computer simply represents a dynamic dive table of continuous depth/time as opposed to the discreet ranges of a RDP style table.
Thanks for your time,
CJ

onfloat · Jul 2, 2005

plan your dive, dive your plan. There is no need for a computer.

You seem to have a lot of questions about DIR. Read some of the threads in this forum and here are a few links that might answer some of your questions.

http://www.baue.org/library/bakerscomputers.html

http://www.baue.org/library/index.html

http://members.aol.com/jsuw3/wkpp_articles.html

http://www.gue.com/equipment/jj-hogarth.shtml

your welcome

edit another

http://www.tue.org.uk/Philosophy.htm

CJ-62 · Jul 2, 2005

onfloat:
plan your dive, dive your plan. There is no need for a computer.

You seem to have a lot of questions about DIR. Read some of the threads in this forum and here are a few links that might answer some of your questions.

http://www.baue.org/library/bakerscomputers.html

http://www.baue.org/library/index.html

http://members.aol.com/jsuw3/wkpp_articles.html

http://www.gue.com/equipment/jj-hogarth.shtml

your welcome

edit another

http://www.tue.org.uk/Philosophy.htm

The Baker's dozen link was most on point. Is that all?

onfloat · Jul 2, 2005

CJ-62:
The Baker's dozen link was most on point. Is that all?

What else do you want?

Computers don't track actual nitrogen loading of a given diver. (it's a guess)
It dosen't know a diver's current physical condition.
The money spent on a computer could be spent on other necessary equipment.
As UP says "it rots your brain" and encourages a diver not to be involved in his/her dive.

Plan your max depth, ave depth and time. No need to go fancy

Charlie99 · Jul 2, 2005

onfloat:
What else do you want?

Computers don't track actual nitrogen loading of a given diver. (it's a guess)
It dosen't know a diver's current physical condition.
The money spent on a computer could be spent on other necessary equipment.
As UP says "it rots your brain" and encourages a diver not to be involved in his/her dive.

Plan your max depth, ave depth and time. No need to go fancy

At what level in the GUE training sequence are divers taught the techniques to plan multilevel repetitive dives without computers?

Initial certification course? DIR-F?

CJ-62 · Jul 2, 2005

onfloat:
What else do you want?

Computers don't track actual nitrogen loading of a given diver. (it's a guess)
It dosen't know a diver's current physical condition.
The money spent on a computer could be spent on other necessary equipment.
As UP says "it rots your brain" and encourages a diver not to be involved in his/her dive.

Plan your max depth, ave depth and time. No need to go fancy

so I could dive the world.
The first two are the same for tables and planning software, the third is case specific and the fourth is a venerated elder's respected opinion.

I went ~18 years without a dive computer but have found it useful these last 57 dives (I started logging my dives again after getting one). I was looking for a spectrum of responses, which reflected the vast world that is. What's the big deal, dive tables, planning software on a PC or EPROM in a dive computer all give you approximations about reality which may kill you if you close your eyes and dive the limits. I desire to understand why one method is universally preferred over another.
I appreciate UP's quote, but by extension DPV's should then be frowned upon.
until later,
CJ

onfloat · Jul 2, 2005

been down this road before

http://www.scubaboard.com/showthread.php?t=44736

X2

http://www.scubaboard.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=36031

CJ-62 · Jul 2, 2005

onfloat:
been down this road before

http://www.scubaboard.com/showthread.php?t=44736

X2

http://www.scubaboard.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=36031

Thanks for the link, I hadn't spotted that one before. Seems very well discussed and while I have only finished the first page, it is really addressing the issue for me. Thanks,
CJ

onfloat · Jul 2, 2005

CJ-62:
Thanks for the link, I hadn't spotted that one before. Seems very well discussed and while I have only finished the first page, it is really addressing the issue for me. Thanks,
CJ

Your welcome,

I liked it so much it's on my favorites

CJ-62 · Jul 2, 2005

onfloat:
Your welcome,

I liked it so much it's on my favorites

Well, finished those ~30 pages of posts. Brings up the next obvious question.
Does the DIR/GUE still treat their deco 'equations' as proprietary information?
Can I purchase the decoder ring on-line?
I would be most interested in reading them.
Thanks,
CJ

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