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BillP
March 9th, 2001, 05:36 PM
Hi All:

Those of you who know me know how I feel about spam. I received the email spam newsletter below today from cyberdiver.net. I had never visited cypberdiver's website, subscribed to any newsletter, or even expressed an interest in hearing from them. The only places I give out my email address are on scuba message boards like RSD and Diverlink (the board script here lets me "hide" my email address so it's harder to find) so they must have harvested my address from one of those boards. If you get some of this spam and share my disdain for unsolicited emails I urge you to contact cyberdiver's sponsors (as I will) and ask them to remove their support from these "people". The sponsors of the spam and the spammers are:


Papua New Guinea Expeditions- jen@pngexpeditions.com
Action Divers (Philippines)- info@actiondivers.com
Mara's Dive (Hawaii)- mara@marasdive.com
SS Thorfinn (Truk)- Seaward@mail.fm
Island Dreams Tours & Travel- info@islandream.com
StampEx (Germany)- info@stampex.de
Japan Diver- the Japanese version of Cyberdiver- no email


You can be sure that I don't do business with people who support spammers.

Thanks for your time,

Bill

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CYBER DIVER HOTLINE - 2001-3-9

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* SOS 2001 PHOTO CONTEST
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CDNN TOP NEWS STORIES - PAGE ONE

* UK - Divers salvage Bluebird
Thirty-four years after Donald Campbell died trying to break his own world
water speed record, divers have raised the wreck of the Bluebird.…

* FIJI - Illegal government quits
A week after the Court of Appeal declared the military-backed government
illegal, it has offered to quit. "We have agreed and we have tendered our
resignation after the meeting today and it has been taken up by the
president to decide," interim Attorney-General Alipate Qetaki told
reporters…

* USA - PADI, DEMA, Rodales suffer second sharkfeeding defeat
Hillsboro Beach has joined Deerfield Beach in banning shark-feeding. The
unanimous decision by the Hillsboro Beach city commission was another
stunning defeat for PADI, DEMA, Rodales and others in the diving industry
that are fighting to protect dive operators involved in the highly
profitable business of sharkfeeding…

* FIJI - Suva calm after Court of Appeal tells government to step down
Suva, the capital city of Fiji remains calm after the Court of Appeal
declared the army-backed government illegal and ordered it to give up
power. The judges ruled that the interim government had not proved its
right to rule and that Fiji's 1997 multi-ethnic constitution remains the
supreme authority…

* US VIRGIN ISLANDS - Cousteau, Selengut team up on St. John eco project
Eco tourism pioneer Stanley Selengut and renowned marine conservationist,
Jean-Michel Cousteau, have joined together to offer eco adventure
vacations in St. John called "Ambassadors of the Environment." The
partnership will combine Cousteau's environmental education program,
Selengut's eco-friendly Maho Bay resort and the pristine Virgin Islands
National Park habitat…

* FIJI - Summary of judgement against military-backed government
Republic of Fiji islands and Attorney General v Prasad. Summary of Court
of Appeal Judgement of March 1, 2001…

* FIJI - Court of Appeal rules against army-installed government
The Fiji Court of Appeal has dismissed an appeal by the army-installed
government to overturn an earlier High Court decision that it is illegal.
In the ruling Fiji Court of Appeal president Sir Maurice Casey made the
following declarations…

* FIJI - Security tight after bomb threats
The army and police forces have been put on high alert after bomb threats.
Security is tight in the capital city of Suva a day ahead of the Court of
Appeal decision that will decide if Fiji's army-installed government will
remain in power.

GO TO http://www.cyberdiver.net/page-one/page-one.html
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HOTLINE Readers Write about Fiji

I sent your Act Now letter to the Fiji interim government. Thanks for
giving me the opportunity to do something. Hiroko

I have just emailed the UES Act Now letter. If others in the tourist
industry had followed your lead, this mess might have been cleaned up much
earlier. Greg (dive center owner)

I will send your Act Now message later today. Thanks for telling it like
it is while everybody else has been pretending nothing was wrong. Robert

Whether it’s environmental activism or a proactive commitment to human
rights, many of us want to get involved and help right the many wrongs we
learn about in our dive travels around the world. Michelle

I live in Fiji and I can tell you no one is unhappier about what has
happened here than we are and no one is more appreciative for what you are
doing to help. We know it’s up to us to make it work, but right now, we
need your help. Keep up the good work Cyber Diver! Aaron

Bula from the Great Astrolabe Reef! I agree with your letter to get all
divers to voice their feelings about Fiji's democracy but when things are
settled soon and the 1997 multi-ethnic constitution is back, PLEASE also
encourage divers to SUPPORT us in Fiji. As a resort owner we have been
almost ruined by all this political chaos and we need your help to
recover. Russell
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SOS 2001 PHOTO CONTEST

The winners of our SOS 2001 Photo Contest will be announced in the next
issue of CYBER DIVER HOTLINE.
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CDNN SURVEYS

Would you boycott Japan products to stop whaling?
YES - 2083 NO - 0046
Are you opposed to sharkfeeding?
YES - 2018 NO - 0521
Does PADI's 2-day "Scuba Diver" course adequately train beginners?
YES - 0455 NO 3436
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YES - 1153 NO 0409

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Mario S Caner
March 9th, 2001, 10:29 PM
Thanks for the great info, I'll keep my eyes open as well.

BillP
March 9th, 2001, 10:44 PM
Note how cyberdiver's "privacy statement" in their spam states (in part):

"We are aware that some diving magazines are using online sites to harvest email addresses... We strongly condemn this practice."

Hmmm, they apparently harvested MY email address (and a lot of others) from Rodale's Scuba Diving's website for their spam.

On their website they are very proud of the fact that they accept no advertising stating:

"CYBER DIVER is a 100% ad-free, interactive diving network", "Advertising is strictly prohibited in CYBER DIVER", and

"There is a place for ad-based diving magazines, to be sure, but how much integrity can we expect from publishing enterprises that blatantly pander to advertising contributors? How much objectivity can we expect from monthly magazines and their online counterparts that keep “rediscovering” the same overcrowded dive destinations and the same high-volume dive operators who buy the big ads? How much honesty can we expect from online diving publications that go out of their way to avoid objective, critical reviews that might offend clients?"

Instead of advertisers, "Our ad-free, objective reports are made possible by Cyber Diver Sponsors".

Let's see, cyberdiver doesn't have ADVERTISERS, they have SPONSORS, who don't have ADS, they have, uh, er, uhm, well ADS on the website and in the newsletter. It looks to me like cyberdiver.net wouldn't know honesty and integrity if it jumped up and bit them on the tank. Personally, I wouldn't want to have anything to do with those "people". I do not trust them and their transparent duplicity. Who do they think they're foolin'?

Just more of my 2¢,

Bill

MrMrEZG
March 10th, 2001, 12:08 AM
and i dislike RSD but they have my e-mail addy and i have never received anything from diverlink so it may not be RSD who sold you out.

BillP
March 10th, 2001, 12:34 AM
Hi MrMrEZG:

I don't believe that RSD sold the email addresses. I think that cyberdiver.net harvested visible addresses from the message board without RSD's knowledge. My primary email address that I use on the board was hit, but my "BillP@scubadiving.com" account was not. A number of RSD bulletin board users were hit with the spam, but apparently only at the addresses that they post on the board.

BTW, I did not use the autoresponder address in the spam to have my address removed from the listbot.com mailing list, but I did complain directly to cyberdiver.net. Cyberdiver did not respond to my complaint, but a short time later I got a message from listbot.com telling me that my address had been removed.

Bill

vr
March 10th, 2001, 12:40 AM
I think you misunderstand. It's not that RSD sold him out. Cyberdiver harvested addresses from RSD's board and spammed them. Several people on their board reported being spammed. Diverlink hasn't has any problems and there is a post that explains why. They hate spam too and guard against it.

To RSD, it's not a priority.

MrMrEZG
March 10th, 2001, 01:14 AM
i did not get spammed and RSD has my address.

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