DST vs DS4 and Reg Clips

[Aquamaniac]

2 Quick questions.

1. Whats the low down and the big diff between DST's and DS4's?

2. Whats everyones opinion on Oring vs Cord for Clips on Regs.?

[roakey]

1) Guts: Same. DST has a swivel which is a failure point.

2) I use bicycle innertube.

Roak

[Scubaroo]

1. Repeating other people's advice on this board:
DS4 for back gas
DST for deco/stage bottles because it swivels to allow optimum hose placement

I use the DST for a single backgas regulator, only because it was my first regulator purchase and that's what I have

2. I think DIR thinking for breakaway clips on second stages is that the second stage should be able to be "yanked" away from the right shoulder D-ring and donated to a diver. So an o-ring link would be required on the second stage clip. I have read that this is only required for bailout bottles on rebreathers though - I use a breakaway anyway.

[WreckWriter]

All of my first stages are DS4, no swivels.

As to the boltsnaps (not clips), last I heard G3 said the only thing that goes on a breakaway is rebreather bailout reg, everything else gets tied on with cave line. My snaps are all tied on with cave line.

I think though that most folks are now using the breakaway so maybe George and me are the only ones who feel this way. My guess is that DIRF instructors are teaching the breakaway method.

Tom

[Aquamaniac]

WreckWriter once bubbled...
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As to the boltsnaps (not clips),

Tom [/B]

I’m still staunchly hanging on to the remnants of the "aussie" Language, So its a Dogclips and cord to me.... :D :D

Or does DIR not allow foreigners as well? :confused:



:D

[WreckWriter]

Aquamaniac once bubbled...


I’m still staunchly hanging on to the remnants of the "aussie" Language, So its a Dogclips and cord to me.... :D :D

Or does DIR not allow foreigners as well? :confused:



:D

I've heard "dogsnap" before. I avoid the term clip only because it tends to indicate a suicide clip device. Cord works :)

There's lots of folks from other countries involved in DIR diving. From what I understand it's catching on big in Europe but yet yet so much in Oz.

Tom

[Aquamaniac]

WreckWriter once bubbled...


I've heard "dogsnap" before. I avoid the term clip only because it tends to indicate a suicide clip device. Cord works :)


Tom

Good point, So from here on in, its a Snap. Pretty soon Y'all will have me calling them Fries Rather than Chips.

Its a shame DIR is not catching on in Oz.
The problem is that most of the "good Gear" is made in the USA or Europe
With a "50 cent to dollar" exchange rate, it can get rather expensive. I payed $1200.00 for my Apeks TX 50 set two years ago!!!!
I will be sure to Fly the Flag in any future trips home. On my last trip, I did notice more locally made BP's, so you never know, maybe soon!

[WreckWriter]

it's only a matter of time :)

Tom

[Scubaroo]

Unfortunately the Australian equivalent to ScubaBoard has a number of very vocal DIR-bashers, which is probably slowing down acceptance. Australians are a very computer literate mob, so unfortunately DIR is going to take a lot longer to be accepted downunder because of the bad worth of mouth it receives.

[WreckWriter]

There's several Aussies on the GUE DIRQuest list who are very pro-DIR.

Tom

[Aquamaniac]

At I guess I would say there are thousands of OZ Pro DIR supporters, only 3.5 million to go!!!!!!

Dave

[Fetch]

This is actually amusing.

Two GUE instructors told me Oring, G3 has said cave line repeatedly.

The GUE's instructor's concerns weren't so much for ripping off the reg due to OOA, but due to entanglement issues (which didn't make much sense to me, its why I carry a knife).

That's pretty much the lowdown,
jeff


Aquamaniac once bubbled...
2 Quick questions.

1. Whats the low down and the big diff between DST's and DS4's?

2. Whats everyones opinion on Oring vs Cord for Clips on Regs.?

[Aquamaniac]

So How often would one be in an OOA emerg, with a clipped off main reg?
On deco? I would think that this would be a rather relaxed situation, so the need to donate a reg in a hurry would not really be there.
Just a thought.
Dave

[Aquamaniac]

bengiddins once bubbled...
Unfortunately the Australian equivalent to ScubaBoard has a number of very vocal DIR-bashers, which is probably slowing down acceptance. Australians are a very computer literate mob, so unfortunately DIR is going to take a lot longer to be accepted downunder because of the bad worth of mouth it receives.

Its not really suprising, Once again the acronym is the issue, and also the bad apples.
Most Aussies hate to be told they Doing it wrong. We are also a very lazy and casual mob, the winds of change blow softly, every thing is just too hard. To quote a well used saying.
"She'll be right mate"

We also have very few caves in Oz, so we dont have a strong cave community to push DIR and better tecniques.
A very large percentage of divers are sub tropical type of divers, not too deep not too cold, easy stuff. Its cheap and easy. I also think we generally have the "short arms, long pockets" syndrome. With Halcyon/DR gear being so expensive (allow for exhange rate). It out of the reach of most.
How would you feel if I said to you from here on in, everything your going to buy is double the price?
Kind of puts a few people off.
I also may be way off track here, If so, forgive my assumptions.
Dave

[Scubaroo]

Cost no doubt is a big factor - a Pioneer wing is going to set someone back at least $700 AUD. I did see however that someone on the diveoz board came up with a backplate design, and is getting a batch of cheap backplates made for a number of users. Not sure what they plan on doing for wings though.

[Aquamaniac]

Ive seen many Local Made BP's in Perth, there is a company who knocks them out for about $100.00 Ill have to find out the name and post it.

Maybe there is a biz opertunity there Ben???

[Fetch]

In a deco situation, you donate the deco bottle, as I recall (that is, what's in your mouth).

So the only time you'd desire a breakaway (excepting rebreather) is when you switched to your backup reg for some reason, and clipped your primary off. I can't think of when that "should" happen on a dive, offhand :)

jeff


Aquamaniac once bubbled...
So How often would one be in an OOA emerg, with a clipped off main reg?
On deco? I would think that this would be a rather relaxed situation, so the need to donate a reg in a hurry would not really be there.
Just a thought.
Dave