Deco (or Stage) bottle rigging.

[Uncle Pug]

This is in response to a PM from Trimixdiver.

This may or may not be the way to do it. If anyone else has a picture or description to add please feel free.

The upper bolt snap is simply captured in the knot the forms the loop around the valve. The doubled cord is threaded through tubing and then under the hose clamp at the bottom. The cord is then knotted again so that it cannot pull back up under the hose clamp and finally knotted again at the bottom... the last knot is passed under the hose clamp and then the clamp is tightened.

So what I have is three knots. 1 holding the bolt snap at the top. 2 keeping the bottom loop from pulling up and 3 keeping the bottom loop from pulling down.

[trymixdiver]

yes that does help.

many thx pug

Andy

[AquaTec]

more deco bottle attachment ideas

[Aquamaniac]

Thats the second time I have seen that twit, where did the pics come from?
Is he still alive??
End my inquisitive streak PLEASE!!

[AquaTec]

care to elaberate on why he is a twit

[Aquamaniac]

AquaTec once bubbled...
care to elaberate on why he is a twit
ummmm........Nope!

[Rick Murchison]

AquaTec once bubbled...
care to elaberate on why he is a twit
Let me put on my DIR hat and try ...
(1) Bungeed wings of death
(2) Boots still on tanks
(3) AL back gas and steel stages
(4) Ankle weights (or are those those sissy training wheel gaiters?)
(5) Breathing the short hose
(6) Stages aren't all stacked on the left
(7) Rubber fin straps and (gasp!) yellow fins
Not being DIR myself, that's all I can see right off the bat... I'm sure there's more.
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I personally have no objection to any of those, by the way, should anyone else want to rig that way. (I wouldn't rig that way myself, but that's no reflection on someone else's decisions)
Rick

[Aquamaniac]

Jeeze Rick, you really went to town!!!!

I was thinking more along the lines of the height of the Giant Stride entry..........:D

[Rick Murchison]

Aquamaniac once bubbled...
Jeeze Rick, you really went to town!!!!

I was thinking more along the lines of the height of the Giant Stride entry..........:D
I told ye there wuz more!
Rick :)

[trymixdiver]

what about his flagrant disreguard for color coordination :)

:)

just so you know what i was looking for in asking Pug to post a pic. I wanted a close up of the 1/4 line as it goes under the hose clamp. i was looking to see exaclty how ppl are doing it. My way is very similar, but i felt it could be improved.

[boomx5]

Is that you in the picture?

[AquaTec]

Aquamaniac once bubbled...
Jeeze Rick, you really went to town!!!!

I was thinking more along the lines of the height of the Giant Stride entry..........:D

is there a height restriction on the giant stride entry.

[AquaTec]

Rick Murchison once bubbled...

Let me put on my DIR hat and try ...
(1) Bungeed wings of death
(2) Boots still on tanks
(3) AL back gas and steel stages
(4) Ankle weights (or are those those sissy training wheel gaiters?)
(5) Breathing the short hose
(6) Stages aren't all stacked on the left
(7) Rubber fin straps and (gasp!) yellow fins
Not being DIR myself, that's all I can see right off the bat... I'm sure there's more.
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I personally have no objection to any of those, by the way, should anyone else want to rig that way. (I wouldn't rig that way myself, but that's no reflection on someone else's decisions)
Rick


Rick good list of why he is not DIR
but my question was in responce to



Aquamaniac

Thats the second time I have seen that twit, where did the pics come from?
Is he still alive??
End my inquisitive streak PLEASE!!

I was wondering what made him a twit, and why he was wondering if he was still alive. or where you emplying that because he wasn't it made him a twit.????

Trymixdiver:
I understand and i think UP did such a good job of answering your question I didn't want the rest of the thread to go to waste so I added my version of mounting deco bottles

[Rick Murchison]

AquaTec once bubbled...
Rick good list of why he is not DIR
I was wondering what made him a twit, and why he was wondering if he was still alive. or where you emplying that because he wasn't it made him a twit.????

Not at all... if you read my post, it begins "I have no idea, but... let me put on my DIR hat..."
And I ain't even a DIR bubba.
I just figgured that since someone was calling someone else a denigrating name because of their diving style....
Rick

[AquaTec]

Rick Murchison once bubbled...

Not at all... if you read my post, it begins "I have no idea, but... let me put on my DIR hat..."
And I ain't even a DIR bubba.
I just figgured that since someone was calling someone else a denigrating name because of their diving style....
Rick

I see your point now. I felt the comments where the same thing and when asked to elaberate. Aquamaniac denied. go figure.

I would still like to hear from him, and see if he comes up with something that might end his life here, as he thinks might happen.

mind you the dive itself might end his life but we haven't gone there ....yet

[deepocean]

hi

hmmm yes idd the guy looks pretty dumm .

But you have nt seen it all. Look at this DIR site. www.frogkick.nl
they have even a section called DIW Parade. Pictures from the biggest idiots in this diving world :D :D :D

(Fitst Click on "DIR vs DIW" then in bottem right side of the page there is a link called "DIW Parade".
BTW: sorry it is in Dutch but we may translate it soon into English.
On the other hand you dont need language for these picture just humor.

Greetings from the COLD Holland.

Xerxes

[JamesK]

Rick Murchison once bubbled...

I'm sure there's more.


I can spot one more. Look at how he has the SPG's on his stages/deco bottles. They are hanging down the side of the bottle, and not tied up where he can see them. Now Pug on the other hand used one of his favorite items, zipties, to take care of the job.


xerxes,
I have seen that site. From what I understand, some of those pictures were taken as jokes. However, there are some very, umm, let's just say interesting pictures on there.

[Uncle Pug]

...all this reminds me of a story:

Joe was a city slicker and had a fairly large chip on his shoulder. He thought he knew everything and that the country cousins were beneath him.

He was also a touch insecure.

He suspected that they were having fun at his expense; trying to get him to believe outlandish things about farm life.

He knew that only the bulls had horns so when they took him on a walked through a field of cows with horns he was sure they were trying to see if he would chicken out.

And when they passed a pasture with one lone "cow" and told him not to go near he again figured that they were trying to scare him. Joe knew that it was a harmless old cow because it had no horns and it was fatter and lumpier that the others.

Joe approach the fence to show them that their lame attempt to frighten him wouldn't work.

The country cousins warned him that not only was that a bull but that the fence was "electric."

Joe saw that they were getting desperate to frighten him and since the bull story hadn't worked they came up with the ridiculous "electric" fence tactic.

(Joe had never heard of an electric fence before.)

So to prove how ridiculous they were he unzipped and proceeded to piss on the fence.

Now the salts in urine make it a wonderful conductor for even low voltages... but most electric fencers boost the voltage up into the thousands of volts (with fairly low amperage) so that it will have a serious effect several miles down the line and through thick cow hide.

Joe learned several things that day.

One... there is such a thing as an electric fence.
two... never, never, never pee on one.
three... don't approach a bull pen and then scream wildly.
four... don't run through a cow pasture - they have "landmines."
five... if you must run make sure your pants are hitched up.
six... some folks know more than you think.
seven... you aren't as smart as you think.

[Uncle Pug]

Now before you go and assign the roles in the story to any specific individuals in this thread... let me say that the story applies to all of us.

Just make sure that you are not a "Joe."

And if you have been a "Joe" then at least learn the lessons.

(apologies to those whose name is Joe... just happens that was this guy's name too.)

[JamesK]

I don't get it? ;):out:

[Uncle Pug]

Don't piss on the fence. ;)

[JamesK]

I had a friend do that once on a dare. I prefer to learn from others mistakes! :D

[Aquamaniac]

Sorry for my tardyness on the reply aquatec, the water beckoned me........:D

Im not about to get into rights and wrongs on gear configurations, I dont have enough knowledge to be a true judge.

The "twit" comment was a little harsh, and for that I am sorry, It was just a first impression, actually looking at the pic, its not the person I thought it was. Anyone ever see Orings old profile?
I thought it was that person.
Im not saying I dont think there is alot wrong in the picture, or that its a dangerous looking pic, Im just not going to go into detail about my reasons for it, My opinion is mine, right or wrong.

After every dive I become more and more critical, but the side effect is I that become safer and safer.

I like criticism, it breeds change, and is all part of the learning process. One can NEVER stop learning.

Some people like to be critiqued others dont, I feel the person in the pic doesnt like to be criticised, and therefore...................well read what you like into that.

Dave

[jbm]

Now this guy is a twit...............

[Aquamaniac]

Anyway....back to the thread

[AquaTec]

jbm once bubbled...
Now this guy is a twit...............

Picture of Leigh Cunningham, at 240 METERS on his world record solo dive.

He believed that it was safer to take all his deco bottles with him rather than to stage them, and he decises a method of doing it.

but it sure looks stupid doesn't it. however he was certainly open minded and capable of problem solving.

If you needed to cary ten tanks with you how would you do it.
true I myself probably would not do it this way.

[Aquamaniac]

So open minded in fact that his brain appears to have fallen out.....

[AquaTec]

boomx5 once bubbled...
Is that you in the picture?

No it is not me. [I would give most anything for it to have been]

this is such interesting conversation I don't want to divulge who it is yet as it may influance your oppinions, or where he is about to go

[Tavi]

AquaTec once bubbled...


Picture of Leigh Cunningham, at 240 METERS on his world record solo dive.


If someone took his picture at 240 M, I guess he really wasn't solo, was he? ;)

[AquaTec]

Aquamaniac once bubbled...
So open minded in fact that his brain appears to have fallen out.....

Once they said the same thing the use of the automobile

[AquaTec]

Tavi once bubbled...


If someone took his picture at 240 M, I guess he really wasn't solo, was he? ;)

good point, but this pic was taken much shallower, and in this case a solo dive meansd unassisted with no supoport team, or rope to follow.

I don't have all the details of the dive, I just know some of the people involved

[Aquamaniac]

AquaTec once bubbled...


Once they said the same thing the use of the automobile

You cant honestly tell me that his cofinguration is correct, or the way of the future, surely thats not where you are going.

I hope i have the wrong impression here

Dave

[Tavi]

wow, that was a fast reply. :)

Thanks for the explanation.

[Rick Murchison]

AquaTec once bubbled...
If you needed to cary ten tanks with you how would you do it.
On a sled.
Rick

[AquaTec]

Aquamaniac once bubbled...


You cant honestly tell me that his cofinguration is correct, or the way of the future, surely thats not where you are going.

I hope i have the wrong impression here

Dave

No I am just saying don't be affraid of pushing the limits, trying new methods, or attempting the impossible.

Leigh is comming up with sollutions for the impossible, and it may not appear normal or even safe. but out of it will come new techniques, technologies, and theories. which can then be applied to every day diving like we are doing.

read my signiture line I believe that is very true.

As far as where we are going, I would think that some people will be diving the exact same set up 10 years from now, and others will evolve as people like Leigh unvail what is still hidden on the other side of the frontier

[AquaTec]

Rick Murchison once bubbled...

On a sled.
Rick

That makes since Rick, maybe there is a rule about equipment usage, that could be considered staged....I would think that the idea would have occured to him.

if you mean a sled like we use in freediving competitions, I believe there is something about not using a rope system. like Bennet used

[Aquamaniac]

Is there a newsletter or a webiste where Leigh posts his theories results and conclusions?.
Such brilliant innovations should be followed up with a report or something I would think.
Public knowledge of innovation is the key to making it mainstream.

Ill be looking out for Leighs next "revolutionary " piece of kit, Im sure it will be "leading edge" at the least.

Dave

[jbm]

Another guy pushing the envelope........

[AquaTec]

Aquamaniac once bubbled...
Is there a newsletter or a webiste where Leigh posts his theories results and conclusions?.
Such brilliant innovations should be followed up with a report or something I would think.
Public knowledge of innovation is the key to making it mainstream.

Ill be looking out for Leighs next "revolutionary " piece of kit, Im sure it will be "leading edge" at the least.

Dave

Deep diving will never be maintream, and for those who are doing deep dive the information is there. it is however kept out of the maintream on purpose. but just like nitrox, it does eventualy make its way to the mainstream recreational diver

Don't missunderstand, I don't understand what he is thinking with this gear configuration. I am just saying don't be eager to call someone a twit and wonder if he will survive just by looking at his gear and deciding it doesn't meet with your approval you may not know the reasons for the addapted configuration.

this goes to having an open mind and addapting to the diving enviroment you are diving in. the kit it may be something that you don't understand, or doesn't conform to your agencies theories doesn't make it wrong [assume that would discribe a twit]

[Aquamaniac]

Aquamaniac once bubbled...
Thats the second time I have seen that twit, where did the pics come from?
Is he still alive??
End my inquisitive streak PLEASE!!

Im just re-reading my original post.
Where in the above post did I say anything about his gear, or wether or not he would survive that dive??

Dave

[Aquamaniac]

AquaTec once bubbled...


Deep diving will never be maintream, and for those who are doing deep dive the information is there. it is however kept out of the maintream on purpose. but just like nitrox, it does eventualy make its way to the mainstream recreational diver



Where is Leighs Info then?

Dave

[AquaTec]

Aquamaniac once bubbled...
Thats the second time I have seen that twit, where did the pics come from?
Is he still alive??
End my inquisitive streak PLEASE!!

Right here

[AquaTec]

Aquamaniac once bubbled...
Sorry for my tardyness on the reply aquatec, the water beckoned me........:D

Im not about to get into rights and wrongs on gear configurations, I dont have enough knowledge to be a true judge.

The "twit" comment was a little harsh, and for that I am sorry, It was just a first impression, actually looking at the pic, its not the person I thought it was. Anyone ever see Orings old profile?
I thought it was that person.
Im not saying I dont think there is alot wrong in the picture, or that its a dangerous looking pic, Im just not going to go into detail about my reasons for it, My opinion is mine, right or wrong.

After every dive I become more and more critical, but the side effect is I that become safer and safer.

I like criticism, it breeds change, and is all part of the learning process. One can NEVER stop learning.

Some people like to be critiqued others dont, I feel the person in the pic doesnt like to be criticised, and therefore...................well read what you like into that.

Dave




Aquamaniac

Looking for your original post I ran across this one, i must have missed it. I understand your view point better, and will back off.

I don't agree with you view point on critisism, but i can live with that. sounds like an issue from your childhood:)

[AquaTec]

AquaTec once bubbled...


Deep diving will never be maintream, and for those who are doing deep dive the information is there. it is however kept out of the maintream on purpose.

this format would deffinetly be mainstream, once you start diving with people doing dives deeper than 300, 400, 500 feet or more the circle of information flows quite freely. and you start to act as support divers for others doing deep dives so you general see what works first hand

[Rick Murchison]

AquaTec once bubbled...


That makes since Rick, maybe there is a rule about equipment usage, that could be considered staged....I would think that the idea would have occured to him.

if you mean a sled like we use in freediving competitions, I believe there is something about not using a rope system. like Bennet used
No, I wasn't thinking about a tethered sled like in unlimited freediving.. The question is how to handle ten tanks. I'd think a sled, streamlined and neutrally buoyant (with it's own buoyancy system that could be adjusted as gas was used) would be easier to handle than the "rotary magazine" looking system pictured. In open ocean I'd likely sling it on my belly rather than my back for easier handling. It'd be interesting to develop and play with.
But decidedly not "DIR."
Rick

[AquaTec]

Rick Murchison once bubbled...

No, I wasn't thinking about a tethered sled like in unlimited freediving.. The question is how to handle ten tanks. I'd think a sled, streamlined and neutrally buoyant (with it's own buoyancy system that could be adjusted as gas was used) would be easier to handle than the "rotary magazine" looking system pictured. In open ocean I'd likely sling it on my belly rather than my back for easier handling. It'd be interesting to develop and play with.
But decidedly not "DIR."
Rick

I agree with you Rick. I have often thought of a sled idea, maybe with a scooter incorperated. with a method of controling the boyancy. completly independent of yourself.

other than that, i would probably side mount four in the standard configuration, the rest on my front. as the gas was used, I would clip them behind me and let them trail. or you could simply let them pop to the surface as you used the gas

[Aquamaniac]

AquaTec once bubbled...


I agree with you Rick. I have often thought of a sled idea, maybe with a scooter incorperated. with a method of controling the boyancy. completly independent of yourself.



You could patent the idea and give it a crazy name, I dunno something like "submarine"

[AquaTec]

Aquamaniac once bubbled...


You could patent the idea and give it a crazy name, I dunno something like "submarine"

i see why you picked the kangaroo with the gloves on. you like to poke and jab.

[Aquamaniac]

FINALLY!!!!!!!!!!!! Someone understands my Avitar

:poking:


Im a nice guy really, come dive with me sometime, Ill show another way to look at life

[AquaTec]

I would love to come to Aus. Living here in Whistler, BC. I meet so many Australians. You all are so fun to party with. and Ausi chick are the hottest around

I also offer the same invetation, come up to BC Canada and I will show you a whole new way to look at life.

[Aquamaniac]

Geeze, Id love to go to Aus as well, Im in Atlanta.

Ill be in Canada next friday, no where near Whistler though.

[Rick Murchison]

Aquamaniac once bubbled...
You could patent the idea and give it a crazy name, I dunno something like "submarine"
We gotta be more original than that... something simple... like External Gas Group, don'tchaknow...
Rick

[AquaTec]

sorry I read Perth Australia on you name tag

[Aquamaniac]

Aqua, depends on what day of the week.....

Rick......I like that one whos the yoke?

[AquaTec]

ahhhh i just thought of another name as i trip over mine

Closed Circuit Rebreather - Insperation to be exact

[JamesK]

jbm once bubbled...
Another guy pushing the envelope........

I have heard from people who know that person. They said the picture was taken as a joke. He rigged all that up just to see how many lights he could fit on.


What I would like to know about is Leigh's setup. I want to know how he dealt with gas switching and identification.

[deepocean]

Hello all

guys what are we talking abouth ? :)

At those depth's where gas management and gas logistics get's complicated use Rebreathers. What in god's name he wants to invent ? Wanna reinvent the wheel ? Why does anyone want to dive deep as that with OC?

There is already a very good option for those kinda depth's ! Build your innovations, based on the exicisting and proven theories/products! If you dont do this: either you are really a idiot or incredibelly genius.

Idiots those guys are i think, no way we are talking abouth prodigy's :) . They are wasting their time. Well maybe they have too much of it. :D

Good diving and have fun all of you,
Xerxes

[AquaTec]

my understanding the deepest a rebreather has gone is in the 500 ft range 525 i think and that was on a megladon just recently.

i heard that there was going to be a world record attempt on the insperation soon, but the no body will support it because they think it is beyond the technology of the unit.

I know a couple of people doing deep dives who switch to a ccr for decompression.


what do you know about deep dives on a ccr

[Biker369]

Thanks for the diagram. That is exactly what I was looking for.