What is Ballistic Nylon...

[Uncle Pug]

I know what ballistic means and I know what nylon means... but I have no idea what *ballistic nylon* means.

Now I supposed it could be referencing plastic sabots but I don't think that is what is meant because I see in used all the time to describe the material that certain tech wannabe BCs are made of...

Hmmm.....

...do you suppose it means *extra-buoyant* nylon ?

[Dee]

Maybe it really does make you bulletproof! ;)

I think it's marketing verbage to mean it's some tuff stuff.

[raxafarian]

once upon a time, the manufacturers... I'm guessing DuPont... provided nylon to be the outer layer on flak jackets. Since it was used as part of these flack jackets, calling it "ballistic nylon" must have proved that it was tuff stuff, and therefore justified the higher pricetag over "normal" nylon.


come-on UP.... you know the dredgers require this heavier duty nylon to reduce wear on their BC's ;)


ps. yes, buoyant nylon is the same as ballistic nylon.

[raxafarian]

I've worn flak jackets.... the nylon stops nothing (well, maybe it stops mosquitos). It's just the outer layer. Give me some kevlar and some plates :)

Better yet, keep the bullets and fragments from heading my way in the first place.

[ckharlan66]

Let's let Pug hold some up as we shoot at it and see if it works.

Are you game Pug? :D

Chad

[Rick Murchison]

* What is Ballistic Nylon?

Originally developed for use in bulletproof vests, genuine American-made 1050 denier nylon is one of the toughest fabrics in the world. While some luggage manufacturers have tried to imitate this fabric, the american-made Allied Signal Fibers Tru-Ballistic 1050 denier fabric meets U.S. Military Specification #MIL-C-12369F-GL. Always know what you are buying!

* What is the Definition of "Denier" in Ballistic Nylon?

"Denier" refers to the weight, NOT the strength of an individual fiber that goes into making a fabric. Therefor, a higher denier count does not indicate a stronger fabric, it just means a heavier fabric. Strength and abrasion resistance are achieved through molecular manipulation, or how a fabric is stretched, spun, or woven. These characteristics are measured through tenacity (strength per denier), breaking strength (tenacity x denier) and toughness. Laboratory tests prove that the Tru-Ballistic 1050 denier fabric is the strongest and most durable fabric for its denier weight level.

Rick

[Uncle Pug]

...from what I have found so far Ballistic Nylon is indeed different from ordinary nylon:

1. more abrasion resistant by far.
2. more puncture resistant by far.
3. stronger by far.
4. smoother than cordura.

[oxyhacker]

No. The original ballistic nylon might have been, once upon a time, but the word has degenerated into just another buzzword, with no more specific meaning than "heavy duty" or "aircraft quality. Now it's just used very loosely when a company wants to indicate a heavier grade of nylon, or wants you to think it is.




Uncle Pug once bubbled...
...from what I have found so far Ballistic Nylon is indeed different from ordinary nylon:

1. more abrasion resistant by far.
2. more puncture resistant by far.
3. stronger by far.
4. smoother than cordura.

[Aquamaniac]

To take Ricks answer a little further, 1050 Denier Yarn, equates to 1050 grams per 9000kms or 117 grams per kilometre or 4.25 thousand yards per pound.

What I have yet to work out is what the 1050 is referanced to. As a single or plied yarn, that makes it bloody thick, almost too thick to use in the weft or fill. Im guesing its a "made up" number regarding the density of the woven fabric, but its uncommon, or it could be the final twisted product used in the warp.

As for Ballistic......wouldnt have a bloody clue.:D

[Dee]

Uncle Pug once bubbled...
...from what I have found so far Ballistic Nylon is indeed different from ordinary nylon:

1. more abrasion resistant by far.
2. more puncture resistant by far.
3. stronger by far.
4. smoother than cordura.

Tuff Stuff! ;)

[AquaTec]

I understood the word Balistic as used here to be a trade name much klike the work velcro, zerox, etc

[Iguana Don]

1050 is the amount of single strands of nylon in a piece of nylon yarn. Since they are about the sames size as a strand of spider web, this would make sense.
Anybody want to count em to make sure?


OBTW I am always for "molecular manipulatio," makes the day go by so much smoother!

[xoomboy]

I can vouch for BN. It's absolutely amazing stuff.

I fenced while at UMass, and the top jackets/pants we could buy were made out of ballistic nylon. The material is light, flexible, breathes well, and holds its own against the broken blades that try to pierce your chest, arms, neck, quads, etc., when things go awry.

The 1600N masks we wore were pretty sweet also. I found myself giving many thanks to Allstar for keeping the blade tips from sticking through my eye and into my brain. Not the best way to go, IMO :)

Matt

[Lwang]

Why settle for Ballistic nylon when you could get kevlar fabric. Much stronger and it is not going to melt when the temperature gets too high. Good when you are doing vent chute diving.

[O-ring]

I know drysuit manufacturers are touting both cordura and ballistic nylon as their top of the line tough exterior layers...where does kevlar fit into the mix?

[Aquamaniac]

xoomboy once bubbled...
I can vouch for BN. It's absolutely amazing stuff.

I fenced while at UMass, and the top jackets/pants we could buy were made out of ballistic nylon. The material is light, flexible, breathes well, and holds its own against the broken blades that try to pierce your chest, arms, neck, quads, etc., when things go awry.

The 1600N masks we wore were pretty sweet also. I found myself giving many thanks to Allstar for keeping the blade tips from sticking through my eye and into my brain. Not the best way to go, IMO :)

Matt

Matt,

You might want to try a differant fencing material, seems the fences your are building are a little too dangerous. Perhaps you should stick to picket fences.....;)

[GreenDiverDown]

Is your favorite dive site being over run by drug smugglers, terrorist, or divers with bad attitudes? Maybe you should gear up in one of these "ballistic" drysuits...

http://www.usia.com/oeb.htm

[Cherry]

That swift attack vessel has the making of a serious dive vessel eh. mOunt a 50 cal da front and no more problems with crowded dive sites...............

[Dectek]

I thought the term ballistic came about when the stronger nylon was being used to make AFF parachute rigs. They used it to replace some harnesses that formerly used metal parts to make a no signature outfit called the smugglers rig. I may be way off base here. I do live in my own little world. As far as true kevlar. When made into a thread ...it will cut itself if not wrapped or sheathed by another material like nylon and it is VERY sensitive to UV rays and breaks down too rapidly to be used for drysuits. (Any recent break throughs of kevlar technology aside)
Or was it designed to hold the gadgets to UP's killer dolphins?

[pescador775]

As 'wreckwriter' once mentioned, there are kevlar gloves available. These see use by fishermen and divers who scale or filet fish. The only other dive application I've seen is shooting line for spearguns. I guess one could count the few custom boats with kevlar fabric/composite.

[xoomboy]

Okay, last fencing anecdote, I promise!

Kevlar jackets came out for a little while, and we all thought they were the greatest things in the world....until we started to wash our uniforms.

It appears that chlorine bleach breaks down Kevlar pretty darn quickly. Again, Ballistic Nylon, IMO, is the wonder-fabric. It can really take a beating!

Matt

[mddolson]

Originally developed for use in bulletproof vests, genuine American-made 1050 denier nylon is one of the toughest fabrics in the world. While some luggage manufacturers have tried to imitate this fabric, the american-made Allied Signal Fibers Tru-Ballistic 1050 denier fabric meets U.S. Military Specification #MIL-C-12369F-GL

MikeD
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