Please Review this rig

[thethumper]

Ok.... I know I'm asking for it but.... Take a look @ these pics & tell me what you think of the rigging & routing. NOT THE REGS or the COLOR .

Thanks


Ok... I have to post more than 1 for each.

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Last one....Promise

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Ok... I missed C & D

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Really the last one....

Sorry...Didn't know how else to do it.

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[ckharlan66]

I will let those that are better at following the hoses than me comment on the routing (I need to see and touch it to tell anything. I have a hard time with pictures I have to touch it.)

I will say that you don't need to worry about the color.

Dive safe.

Chad

[thethumper]

ckharlan66 once bubbled...
I will let those that are better at following the hoses than me comment on the routing (I need to see and touch it to tell anything. I have a hard time with pictures I have to touch it.)

I will say that you don't need to worry about the color.

Dive safe.

Chad

Honest opinion of a fellow Bluegrass boy.

Thanks Chad

[thethumper]

All these file views & only 1 comment?

Whaz up wit that? :confused:

[Dee]

thethumper once bubbled...
All these file views & only 1 comment?

Whaz up wit that? :confused:

Nice color! It's hard to tell much else with only a fuzzy one sided view of things. The black hoses are hard to see the complete routing.

Work on your photography, provide more contrast and views from more than one angle and maybe we'll have something to say! ;)

[Uncle Pug]

I agree with Dee.

I took the time to look at all the pictures right after you posted them but couldn't make out much except that the wing is blue and the regs are Posidon... and so I figured I didn't have anything to say.

Why not give us a description of what we are seeing?

[nradov]

1. High pressure hose should run in front of the wing, not behind.
2. Backup regulator hose should pass between the wing inflator hose and harness left shoulder strap.
3. Inflator mechanism should be reversed so that the inflator hose runs next to your neck.
4. Primary regulator hose needs to run down behind the wing, then back up.

But seriously dude, the regulators and wing are horrifying. I would not get in the water with that gear.

-Nick

[Scubaroo]

nradov once bubbled...
But seriously dude, the regulators and wing are horrifying. I would not get in the water with that gear.

-Nick Care to share an opinion on why the regs and wing are horrifying - hopefully something more constructive than they're not Apeks and Halcyon? :confused:

What sort of wing is that anyway David?

[roturner]

thethumper once bubbled...
All these file views & only 1 comment?

Whaz up wit that? :confused:

I can't see well enough to say much your routing but I did wonder what I saw disappearing between the tanks and the BP.

I have a reference for you. Maybe you can get some ideas here:

http://www.wkpp.org/articles/Gear/equipmentimages.htm

R..

[crazyc]

As everyone else has said, it is hard to see exactly what you have rigged there, but I would like to offer up one thing I found with rigging duals. Get away from the hose protectors. In a setup like that, you aren't twisting them constantly like a single tank rig can do. And the hoses will actually have less stress on them without the protectors, which are sitting against the tanks. Also hose protectors depending on brand, can create enough bulk to pinch the top of your wing/bladder and give you fits with air being trapped. It also makes it cleaner and a lot easier to get a good bubble check from your buddy.

[madmole]

Dont try and bring that rig to the UK. The tanks colour is our official O2 colour scheme!!!!!

How long is the primary Reg hose?

I also dont like the way the hose protectors are bent, in this case would removing them allow more freedom to the hoses and hence less strain?.

After 25 years of always using hose protectors I've stopped doing so as they hide more than they prevent. Had less problems in last 3 year this way and can always see state of whole hose

PS I like the blue. Only sad SEAL wannabees need black everywhere

Your regs are fine and are the same as I've been using on my twins and cave diving for 18 years with absolutely no problems

[AzAtty]

The keyboard in the first photo is rigged like sh**. It'll be slapping your leg, messing up your slipstream somethin' fierce and it screams (key)stroke. :P

Sorry...I just couldn't resist it.

[ericfine50]

I'd lose the hose protectors. Hoses look clean, but they are Odins/Jet Streams. :-)

Eric

[thethumper]

Scubaroo once bubbled...
Care to share an opinion on why the regs and wing are horrifying - hopefully something more constructive than they're not Apeks and Halcyon? :confused:

What sort of wing is that anyway David?

It's A DR Classic Roo.... Sorry about the quality of the pics. It was a little late & I was a little bleery-eyed. I'l try to post to my web site in a bit. Maybe that would have been better to begin.

Gee... Thanks UP. :out:

[thethumper]

madmole once bubbled...
Dont try and bring that rig to the UK. The tanks colour is our official O2 colour scheme!!!!!

How long is the primary Reg hose?

I also dont like the way the hose protectors are bent, in this case would removing them allow more freedom to the hoses and hence less strain?.

After 25 years of always using hose protectors I've stopped doing so as they hide more than they prevent. Had less problems in last 3 year this way and can always see state of whole hose

PS I like the blue. Only sad SEAL wannabees need black everywhere

Your regs are fine and are the same as I've been using on my twins and cave diving for 18 years with absolutely no problems

SILVER??? Thant's your official O2 desig? I'm not that much of a stroke. :) I've been on a 7' for awhile. I have been thinking about pulling them off, but wasn't sure if the hose was getting too bent or just the protector.

Thanks

[madmole]

its the pics. They look like they are black with white shoulders which is our O2 colour


Body Shoulder Gas

Black White Oxygen
French Blue Black & white quarters Air
Brown White Helium
Yellow Green Nitrox
Blue Blue Entonox
Green Green Argon


But there is a dispensation that says you can do them any colour you like as long as the contents are clearly marked. So all the DIR die hards, hard luck in the UK, you aint any choice but to add some other stickers other than MOD. You also need the test sticker and shoulder stamp and the O2 clean sticker

New laws passed on Nov last year mean markings are even more stricktly observed here now. Missing sticker, no fill

[WreckWriter]

Entonox? What is this?

[madmole]

50% Nitrouse Oxide, 50% Oxygen, rapid acting aneasthetic used on Ambulances

I was a paramedic for 12 years so was in daily use for me. Not a good gas to breath if you already have an elevated PPN2

[WreckWriter]

madmole once bubbled...
50% Nitrouse Oxide, 50% Oxygen, rapid acting aneasthetic used on Ambulances

Interesting. Thanks!

[JeffAustin]

they don't help in this situation.

[thethumper]

Maybe this will help. I posted to my site. Take a look now.

Thanks Guys & Ladies

http://www.thumpershole.com/equiptment_setup.htm

[ericfine50]

Isolator looks kinda low. But, if you can reach it - I guess its ok. I would lose the hose protectors and the Odins ;-)) Go with the Apex and use the Odins to buy other gear with. :-)

Eric

[thethumper]

ericfine50 once bubbled...
Isolator looks kinda low. But, if you can reach it - I guess its ok. I would lose the hose protectors and the Odins ;-)) Go with the Apex and use the Odins to buy other gear with. :-)

Eric

I just put those on @ 1.50 ea. Ughhh!! But I think I will pull 'em. As for the regs.... Until they come out w/the rebreather the Jedi used in Episode I to follow Jar Jar Binks... I'll stick w/my Odins....:out:

[Green_Manelishi]

1) the pictures on yourt web-site are still a bit fuzzy

2) is that a pull-dump on the corrugated hose?:confused:

3) remove the hose protectors

[madmole]

Funny that in the UK (where they are made) most circles consider the Apeks the poor mans version of the Posiedons

Both are superb regs and the only people that will tell you to get rid of the jetstreams are people who have never had the benefit of an ambidextrous reg

By the way, if you rig your reserve reg over your left shoulder, it sits far better and even more out of the way of your long hose around the neck and avoids so many hoses behind your head blocking access to the valves. But of course the Apeks brigade cant do this so its probably not DIR (but still is sensible)

Ignore the comments and stay with the Posiedons. They work very well at any depth (mine have been to 143m) and are extremely reliable.

The new Posiedon xstreams are the ONLY reg that meets the European CE 50m gas supply and breathing resistance test at 150m. No other reg meets it at 100m even

[Jarhead]

I really liked the flowers and greenery in picture "C". Does it help attract the fish?;)

Sorry. I couldn't resist. I'm not much help on the gear, though. It looks like its routed correctly. I'd follow the advise about the hose protectors and ignore the part about chunking the regs.

Jarhead

[thethumper]

Green_Manelishi once bubbled...
1) the pictures on yourt web-site are still a bit fuzzy

2) is that a pull-dump on the corrugated hose?:confused:

3) remove the hose protectors

Sorry about the quality. It's a web cam. I spent all my $ on dive gear & can't afford a digital camera.

Yes it is a pull dump. It's disabled & the plain elbow will be here monday to replace it.

I've come to that conclusion.

[WreckWriter]

one thing that's real important, and was mentioned previously, is to route your HP hose in front of the wing, not behind it.

If your HP hose is the correct length and is behind the wing like you have it in the pics then when you inflate the wing a bit you might not have enough hose to read your SPG. Running it in front of the wing solves the potential problem.

I learned this the hard way, at 260'.

WW

[thethumper]

WreckWriter once bubbled...
one thing that's real important, and was mentioned previously, is to route your HP hose in front of the wing, not behind it.

If your HP hose is the correct length and is behind the wing like you have it in the pics then when you inflate the wing a bit you might not have enough hose to read your SPG. Running it in front of the wing solves the potential problem.

I learned this the hard way, at 260'.

WW

From the Reg to the gauge is about 34". It's the hose that came w/the 2 gauge pod.

[WreckWriter]

thethumper once bubbled...


From the Reg to the gauge is about 34". It's the hose that came w/the 2 gauge pod.

24" is the standard so you might get away with behind the wing routing with such a long hose but I'd run it in front anyway.

WW

[ericfine50]

34" seems long. You can shorten that up a little bit. Keep it clean.

Eric

[thethumper]

Aside from the ritual "brand choice" battering :). You guys are great. I look forward to any other's comments too.

I wonder who this person is
CCT - China Coast Time
Russian Federation Zone 7

[thethumper]

turning the 1st stages back to vertical & moving the inflator hose to the left side of the reg (R post 1st stage) & moving the back-up 2nd to the right side of the reg (L post 1st stage) be better?

[thethumper]

Ok.... I ditched the hose protectors. Put the infator hose between my head & the hose.

I dove Orange Grove this afternoon. I am diving twin 3300psi Catalina 80's. 35# -5.8 full, "0" (neutral) empty. I started out w/3900psi on a 300 bar DR man. w/iso. I dive a Goldcore 3mm 1 piece & the Goldcore 5mm "shorty" farmer john. I have an Al DR BP & Classic wing. I wore NO weight & SANK LIKE A CINDER BLOCK. Not to mention the best part, I was Soooooo head heavy I couldn't get horizontal. I was totally head donw/feet up. I put a weight belt on w/2 4# weights & that seemed to help a little, but the air I had to but in the wing.... Ughhh. The bands are as high on the tank as I can get them..... What to do???????????:confused: