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sam miller
October 25th, 2007, 10:32 PM
I assume this is the correct place for this thread.......


THE WATCH...DOXA

THE BOOK....The DOXA SUB, forty years. 1967-2007

THE AUTHOR...Dr. Pete Millar


The Swiss made DOXA watch was introduced by US Divers of Santa Ana, California in their 1968 catalog.

It was offered in one model the "Doxa sub" which was offered in 3 faces, black,Silver and bright Orange. The black faced one was listed as part number #7269 aka "Shark Hunter," silver, part number #7270 aka "Sea Rambler," and the popular orange faced model as part number 7268 "The Professional" and retailed for $150.00 hard earned California dollars.

The original Doxa models were followed by other Doxa models such as the Doxa Chronograph, retail $250.00 the smaller mini Doxa retail $170.00 and the Conquistador listed at retail $175.00 in the US Divers commercial catalog of that era.

But it is the original Orange faced Doxa watch that made an immediate impact on the diving world. Prior to its introduction the majority of the diving watches were smaller in size, often the bezel rotated both left and right, most were black faced making them difficult, if not almost impossible to read in low light conditions, therefore most were difficult to use as an effective diving decompression tool, and guaranteed to eventually leak- (Before the Doxa I never owned a dive watch I couldn't flood)

The Orange faced model has been made even more famous by the diving adventure author Clive Cussler whose main fictional character Dirk Pitt, always wears a Doxa as does Clive in the pictures of him and Dirk's autos on the back of his numerous books.

Clive was introduced to the orange faced Doxa while employed at the Aquatic Center on Harbor Boulevard in Santa Ana, California were, between customers, he collected information to do character studies and wrote the his first two of his many diving based novels, "Ice Berg" and "Raise the Titanic." During this era there were only a few active Underwater Instructors for all of Orange county; All certified by LA County; a few had crossed over LA county to NAUI which had just recently been established but no PADI which was no even a dream of the future in the minds of Chicagoans Cronin, Erikson and Chow.

LA Co Instructor and US Diver's PR Tommy Thompson made an offer to the active LA County Certified instructors residing in Orange County for the Oranged faced Doxas Doxas that none could refuse.

It was in this setting that Clive Cussler was exposed to the magic glow of the orange faced Doxa sub; it was the sign the symbol of the OC instructors and on occasion, since diver ranking had been established but rejected by LA Co and NAUI, also the sign of what was then refereed to as a "serious diver."

Clive's first book "Ice berg" received an equally cold reception only 5000 were printed in hard cover and immediately went to soft cover trade paper back. A some time later "Raise the Titanic" was printed and became a run away best seller and Clive was on his way to literary immortality.

As a going away present the owners of the Aquatic Center presented Clive with his very own orange faced US Divers Doxa sub. Clive in turn immortalized the owners in Raise the Titanic, Dick Spencer aka "Spence," Al "O" Woods aka "Woodson" and Sam Merker was a complation of two of Clive's major antagonist as "Sam Merker." (aka SAM Miller and Ron MERKER.) Clive has continued to write to this day with the very same Orange faced Doxa on his and his fictional hero Dirk Pitt's wrist

The book "The DOXA sub, forty years 1967-2007," Was introduced in May 2007 to the diving bibliophile and diving watch collecting world in a hard cover, jacketed edition. Printed on very high grade glossy paper, it measures 8-1/2 inches by 11 inches by 1 inch thick. Between the bright orange covers are 278 information filled pages loaded with photographs and descriptions of the of the various models. The book "DOXA sub" is the first and only book printed to accurately document the origins of a diving watch and has immediately became a diving book classic upon its release. It is the definitive book on this historic watch.

It is predicted that the book "The Doxa sub" will escalate in value many times over in a record time. It will no doubt be as collectable and desirable as Leon Lyons definitive book "Helmets of the deep," It retailed for $300.00 upon release, now 10 years after its printing is selling for in excess of $4000.00 and Torrance Parker's "20,000 Jobs under the sea," which originally sold for $85.00 are currently selling for around $800.00 and is on its way to $1000 a copy. So it will be with the new book on the market "Doxa sub;forty years, 1967-2007."

The author, Dr. Pete Millar, is a well known medical doctor in Chicago, enthusastic diver a world renown expert on Doxa watches and a member of the SCUBA board. Dr Millar spent many years collecting overhauling and cataloging Doxas watches and untold dollars researching and publishing this monumental book.

With its publication DOXA sub-forty years 1967-2007 Dr. Millar has created a great book and a created a lasting tribute to diving world.

Interested in the book? It may be ordered through the Doxa web site for $79.00 +$20.00 Shipping with in the US. But you better hurry, it is a limited edition book and the supply is very limit.

Yes, I have and am currently wearing a 1968 US Divers logo Orange faced Doxa sub
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I am off to DEMA...

sdm

Nemrod
October 25th, 2007, 10:52 PM
Doxa Sub here also but still love my Seiko Orange Monster.

N

sam miller
October 26th, 2007, 01:49 AM
You should love your Orange faced Seiko

The current price of a used DOXA you should create a shrine and worship the DOXA.

sdm

rawls
October 26th, 2007, 06:14 AM
It is weird to find this thread. I was just on Doxa's website a couple of days ago. I began reading Cusler about a year ago when a friend gave me "Atlantis Found." I am actually in the process of reading "Shock Wave." The Doxa site has a Dirk Pitt edition of the Sub 750 T Professional which sells for $2049.00 and is on back order. Many of the styles are listed as sold out. AND...Gone are the days of the days of the $150-$250 Doxa watches. I wonder what an original version would sell for now.
This was a very interesting thread...Thanks for the info about the book Sam. I will definitely look for it. No doubt the Doxa is too much for my wallet, but the book sounds affordable...

sam miller
October 26th, 2007, 10:04 AM
is weird to find this thread.
>>Q why?

AND...Gone are the days of the days of the $150-$250 Doxa watches.
>>I certainly paid considerably less; The price of the watch was Keystoned as well as a "professional Instructor" discount. I will allow you to determine what price Tommy/US Divers sold the DOXA.

I wonder what an original version would sell for now.
>>So do I! probably put child through college--I hope!


This was a very interesting thread...Thanks for the info about the book Sam. I will definitely look for it. No doubt the Doxa is too much for my wallet, but the book sounds affordable...

>>The book is the sleeper dive book of 2007-purchase it NOW, sell it in a few years and put a child through college. (hopefully!)

sdm

fisheyeview
October 26th, 2007, 12:33 PM
I dive with the orange face Seiko. I love it.

Nemrod
October 26th, 2007, 06:28 PM
Seiko watches are tough and durable dive watches and cost effective. They still make fully mechanical auto winders like the Monster. My boss just picked up a Seiko auto winder dive watch at Sams Club, not a Monster but still a nice diver.

Here is a review of the real deal Orange Monster:

A review of the Seiko SKX781 - the ORANGE MONSTER (http://www.caranfil.org/review_skx781_orange_monster.html)

DOXA is an expensive watch, nowadays perhaps to expensive to dive with.

Go to Equation of Time - Equation of Time (http://www.equationoftime.com) for a dive watch forum.



N

sam miller
October 27th, 2007, 10:33 AM
Interesting watch--a ersatz DOXA--and a darn good one--but it isn't a DOXA.

Remember DOXA was the first --the original Orange faced diving watch--and it keeps on ticking!

sdm

Flying Doctor
October 27th, 2007, 04:19 PM
Sam,

thank you very much for the kind words about the book. It certainly was a labour of love for me and I was very lucky to get both Clive Cussler and Mike Fletcher to write forewords for the book. Doxa took my original manuscript (which was basically akin to a Haynes car repair manual) and gave it to a graphics guy (Greg) who worked wonders on it and then printed it spectacularly. High quality paper, glossy, embossed hardcover binding and a slip case. I still can't believe it when I see my name on it. They printed 1000 books. I had the luxury of meeting Clive a couple of weeks ago and presenting him and Dirk Cussler with signed copies of the book. It was kind of special for me as I have been collecting signed first editions of his books for years.

I set up a webpage

DOXA SUB by Dr. Peter McClean Millar (http://www.thedoxabook.com)

which has samples of it if anyone is interested in seeing how it turned it. I'm now writing another book in which I am trying to get the masters of scuba diving to tell me their stories. Stan Waterman has already contributed a superb story about what he calls his most memorable dive. Ralph Wilbanks (who discovered the Hunley) is also working on something for me. Jean Michel Cousteau and Philippe Cousteau have copies of the book and I'm hoping to get contributions from them too. Philipe still has his fathers old Doxa Sharkhunter. Man, the stories it could tell. I want to try to get stories from the greats like Stan, Sam, Mike and others who either pioneered the sport or have interesting stories of discoveries or testing of dive kit from the early days. I was talking to an air hostess (older lady) who was telling me about how her father modified a regulator to provide feeds into makeshift full face dive masks for her and her sister when they were kids so they could go on surface dives with him. This is tremendous stuff and unfortunately many of the people who pioneered the sport are pretty old now and it would be a shame to loose the information they have.

So here's an open invitation to any of you out there, if you have a story to tell, let me know, You don't have to be able to write like Clive Cussler. You tell me the story and I'll write it up. If you have photos even better.

Thanks

Pete

DA Aquamaster
October 27th, 2007, 05:42 PM
I have a Seiko Automatic (SNM037) with a black bezel and orange face and it has become my watch of choice. The price was not bad - $235 on sale at Penny's.

Nemrod
October 27th, 2007, 09:35 PM
I am with you DA, the Oranage Monster has become my choice as well and Sam, trust me, if the DOXA were to ever get into a scrap with the Monster, I fear the Monster would open up a can of wup----on the DOXA. An example is the rather dainty pins on the DOXA compared to the easy access brutes on the Monster which are far more heavy duty. N

rigdiver
October 27th, 2007, 09:49 PM
But the Seiko just aint got the swagger of a DOXA.

Flying Doctor
October 28th, 2007, 12:35 AM
Chaps, I did a comparison of the first Doxa SUB reissue and the Seiko Orange monster when it (Doxa) came out. Check the reviews section of

DOXA SUB 300T (http://www.doxa300t.com)

Also Doxa will be releasing a "Super SUB" very shortly. I don't have all the details but have seen (and will be receiving) the prototype next week.....whoooowhoooooo:14: The New SUB will have screwed bracelet to case, ratcheting expansion clasp, a helium Release valve (rumoured ;)) and be a big highly luminous sucker. I think it will be kicking **** and taking names very shortly.

Here are the released details so far.

The Super Sub - Watchuseek Watch Forums (http://forums.watchuseek.com/showthread.php?t=92482)

Pete

Flying Doctor
October 28th, 2007, 12:40 AM
Oh I forgot.

Shipwreck Central - Watch the best underwater video online. Shipwrecks, & more (http://www.shipwreckcentral.com)

has a competition to win 2 Doxa books running to the end of the month. The books are the only 2 that have been signed by Mike Fletcher and me. Rare or what? Lots of dosh on ebay...... The competition is easy. One question (answer is #1):crafty:. There is even a video of me introducing the competition. Click on the link on the Broadband TV section with the big Orange Doxa book. If the video of my ugly mug doesn't scare you away then nothing you ever see diving will cause you any alarm :D

Pete

grassyknoll
October 28th, 2007, 01:08 AM
Interesting about the DOXA, never even heard of em before.
As for the Orange Monster, I have had my Seiko OM for just about a year now. I like it but find that if I let it sit in a drawer over the weekend it'll lose juice and need resetting. It is a big, bad chunk of orange though and I'm quite fond of it. That said, I usually dive with a Casio G-shock instead. Man, I don't know if anyone still has one of the first gen G-shocks, but I remember when I got my first one (1986 I think), me and a buddy took turns throwing it at a metal exterior door to see just how tough it really was. Throwing it as hard as we could we were able to but an octogonal indentantion of the watches' face imprinted into the door, but the watch still worked just fine. A few years back, I tried showing a friend the virtues of the G-shock by reenacting the manuever, my watch lasted one throw:(.......guess they don't make the new Gs like the old.

Nemrod
October 28th, 2007, 11:22 AM
Almost all auto winders including my DOXA and my Seiko will wind down over a weekend if not worn.

I like the DOXA but they should be a little more "tough" to begin with. I worry about using it for diving because I think the pins will snap out. Every DOXA I have seen which is only a few has had relatively small pins. It is a flaw in an otherwise wonderfull watch.

N

grassyknoll
October 28th, 2007, 11:44 PM
Almost all auto winders including my DOXA and my Seiko will wind down over a weekend if not worn.

Funny thing is, I have an old Gruen from the 50s-60s era, it seems to last much longer than any other auto winder I have. I'm sure some engineer-watch-techie could give me some insight, but then again I have too short an attention span for anyone to waste that kind of time on.

Oh yeah, one other quibble with the seiko OM. I wear it on my left wrist and the protuding stem and guard have given me this really nasty callous on the top of my hand where it rests. No other watch i've owned has ever done that.

Nemrod
October 28th, 2007, 11:59 PM
If it is a real OM the stem/crown should be at the 5 o'clock position and not the 3 o'clock, JFYI.

Seiko does have several watches with orange faces but not all are THE "Orange Monster."

N

grassyknoll
October 29th, 2007, 10:25 AM
If it is a real OM the stem/crown should be at the 5 o'clock position and not the 3 o'clock, JFYI.

??? Hmmmmmm, mine (model no. SKX781) is at the 4 o'clock position, 5 o' clock would put the stem inside the band.

Flying Doctor
October 29th, 2007, 01:19 PM
Oh yeah, one other quibble with the seiko OM. I wear it on my left wrist and the protuding stem and guard have given me this really nasty callous on the top of my hand where it rests. No other watch i've owned has ever done that.

I'm with you on that one. It was the reason I sold my OM. The crown just dug into me too much.

Pete

grassyknoll
October 29th, 2007, 11:25 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by grassyknoll
Oh yeah, one other quibble with the seiko OM. I wear it on my left wrist and the protuding stem and guard have given me this really nasty callous on the top of my hand where it rests. No other watch i've owned has ever done that.

I'm with you on that one. It was the reason I sold my OM. The crown just dug into me too much.

Yeah, but if I gave up the OM I would have to pack a considerable amount more lead to descend.

scubapro50
October 29th, 2007, 11:40 PM
I don't own a DOXA ..... I still think the best diving watch out there is a ROLEX SUBMAIRNER ..... the most copied dive watch of all time ..... even James Bond (Sean Connery) wore one .

Nemrod
October 29th, 2007, 11:59 PM
But Cousteau wore a DOXA and the DOXA Sub has it's own unique styling and has the real deco tables on the bezel. N

Nemrod
October 30th, 2007, 12:06 AM
If it is a real OM the stem/crown should be at the 5 o'clock position and not the 3 o'clock, JFYI.

??? Hmmmmmm, mine (model no. SKX781) is at the 4 o'clock position, 5 o' clock would put the stem inside the band.


You know what I am saying--that it is not at the 3 position as are most watches and including several models of Seiko watches with orange faces. I posted a link earlier to a web test of the OM. I actually wish mine were the black model, the orange one get's to much attention. I have had more stares, more compliments and more questions about that huge, ugly orange watch than any other watch I have ever owned and surprisingly from time to time people recognize it as a OM and say something like--"cool, an Orange Monster" etc.

My favoriite was a pre Tag yellow/green face Heuer Professional auto winder. May it rest in peace, a wedding gift replaced on our 25th with the DOXA SharkHunter, blackface.

N

scubapro50
October 30th, 2007, 12:09 AM
But did Cousteau get his free for being the head of U.S. DIVERS ....... I would really think twice before spending several thousand dollars on a watch ..... ofcourse I'm the guy who just spent a "load" of money to buy a Corvette off ebay 3 weeks ago .... Wife thinks I'm cazy for spending $xx,xxx.00 without driving it ..... (if guess it's a guy thing .... crazy for cars that is)

vladimir
October 30th, 2007, 12:31 AM
But did Cousteau get his free for being the head of U.S. DIVERS ....... I would really think twice before spending several thousand dollars on a watch ..... ofcourse I'm the guy who just spent a "load" of money to buy a Corvette off ebay 3 weeks ago .... Wife thinks I'm cazy for spending $xx,xxx.00 without driving it ..... (if guess it's a guy thing .... crazy for cars that is)Yes, but my Rolex has lasted longer than any car I've ever owned. Good luck with the 'vette though--I'm a little jealous of that one.

scubapro50
October 30th, 2007, 12:39 AM
Yes, but my Rolex has lasted longer than any car I've ever owned. Good luck with the 'vette though--I'm a little jealous of that one.

When I graduated college back in the 70's I wanted 3 things ........ a Rolex watch, a 7ft pool table and a Corvette ..... 30 years later I finally have all three ! (had a couple of different wifes in that time also but that's a different story)

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