Business Week Online -Halcyon

[wb416]

Received this link regarding Halcyon that was in Business Week Online

Example of Mfg's Success and Refusal to compromise (http://www.businessweek.com/smallbiz/content/feb2003/sb20030212_0447_sb010.htm)

[Dan Gibson]

Amazing. What a novel concept. Give the consumer a quality product and see what happens to sales.



cwb once bubbled...
Received this link regarding Halcyon that was in Business Week Online

Example of Mfg's Success and Refusal to compromise (http://www.businessweek.com/smallbiz/content/feb2003/sb20030212_0447_sb010.htm)

[WreckWriter]

has one major error. co-founder is Robert Carmichael, not Michael Carmichel. Sent them email.

WW

[leadweight]

"while Halcyon might have sacrificed sales to consumers concerned about comfort "

-Business Week Online

My point exactly. All I have to do is say a BP's are not comfortable, and everyone flips out. I guess there is more than one definition of comfort, DIR and everyone else's.

"Halcyon's policy of casting a narrow focus on the purist market appears to be paying off, with sales up some 40% in 2002. "

-Business Week Online

You guys are purists, like it or not.

In all fairness, Halcyon is a great business concept and builds high quality products, but having the head of GUE in charge of a company that makes gear to DIR specs, is an obvious conflict of interest. Somewhere else I heard that the owner of 5th D, is a high muckety-muck in GUE. The temptation to spec something that no one else does, and then put it into production, must be great.

AS for JJ, I wish I was as smart as he is, that company is worth a bunch now.

[boomx5]

leadweight once bubbled...
"while Halcyon might have sacrificed sales to consumers concerned about comfort "

-Business Week Online

My point exactly. All I have to do is say a BP's are not comfortable, and everyone flips out. I guess there is more than one definition of comfort, DIR and everyone else's.

I find my backplate very comfortable. In fact, I find it more comfortable than any other BC I have ever worn (and that includes DiveRite).

[detroit diver]

leadweight once bubbled...
[B........

In all fairness, Halcyon is a great business concept and builds high quality products, but having the head of GUE in charge of a company that makes gear to DIR specs, is an obvious conflict of interest. Somewhere else I heard that the owner of 5th D, is a high muckety-muck in GUE. The temptation to spec something that no one else does, and then put it into production, must be great.

AS for JJ, I wish I was as smart as he is, that company is worth a bunch now. [/B]

Do you worry about aliens coming to land in your backyard also?:)

[WreckWriter]

boomx5 once bubbled...
I find my backplate very comfortable.

So do I. I can see where it might not be the greatest if one were diving naked but I don't dive naked.

WW

[roakey]

leadweight once blathered...
"while Halcyon might have sacrificed sales to consumers concerned about comfort "

-Business Week Online

My point exactly. All I have to do is say a BP's are not comfortable, and everyone flips out. I guess there is more than one definition of comfort, DIR and everyone else's.
Glad to find out that when considering equipment, you turn turn to the reliable SCUBA-savvy source, Buisness Week.

Gawd, you folks get so desperate to trying to attack the equipment, it's laughable. If you don't like it, don't dive it. We don't give a hoot.

As for the purist comment, you can laugh all the way to... well not the bank, that's where JJ's going, not you.

Roak

[Jonathan]

I find my BP (not Halcyon) very comfprtable.

I find Business Week and very poor web site with all those adverts it took at least 2 minutes to load that article - on a high speed link...

[Popeye]

leadweight once bubbled...
My point exactly. All I have to do is say a BP's are not comfortable, and everyone flips out.

Then for godsakes don't ask them what they do for pocket space.



In all fairness, Halcyon is a great business concept and builds high quality products, but having the head of GUE in charge of a company that makes gear to DIR specs, is an obvious conflict of interest.

Not really. The bottom line is, JJ and his crew asked other suppliers to create and market the gear that they wanted, and no one would. So they created their own. Also, I can't think of a single piece of DIR gear that's proprietary to Halcyon (I may be wrong, but there aren't many). George Irvine uses little or no Halcyon equipment.



Somewhere else I heard that the owner of 5th D, is a high muckety-muck in GUE. The temptation to spec something that no one else does, and then put it into production, must be great.

Andrew Georgitsis, who owns 5th D, is a GUE instructor and team diver of some note. I'm unaware of any other position he holds with GUE, financial or managerial. He already markets a store brand drysuit, which gets good reviews, but I don't know if it's DIR compatable or not.

[leadweight]

I am thrilled that you guys are comfortable.

Roak, I did not dig up the BW online article, I found it here. Prove to me that you don't give a hoot, don't reply, but 5 of you did. I said everyone would flip out.

I want to dive naked, but I get too cold, even when the water is over 80f. I like that one WW.

I don't have to worry about aliens landing in my back yard. They have already landed :) They are crawling on my Transpac as I write this. That was great DD.

I don't play the game, I sit on the sidelines and control it.
-Chess

You're a great bunch of guys.

[ColdH20diving]

I don't buy into the DIR philosophy for a number of reasons however, competition is good thing as we should benefit from it.

[bwerb]

leadweight once bubbled...

I don't play the game, I sit on the sidelines and control it.
-Chess



Thanks, now I can't get the song "One Night in Bankok" out of my head...maybe this guy has the right idea :bonk:

[dc4bs]

bwerb once bubbled...


Thanks, now I can't get the song "One Night in Bankok" out of my head...maybe this guy has the right idea :bonk:

"The man is utterly mad! You're playing a lunatic." (Molokov)
"That's the problem. He's a briliant lunatic. You can't tell which way he'll jump. Like his game, he's impossable to analize. You can't disect him, predict him, which of course means he's not a lunatic at all." (The Russian) -Chess

Jeeze, you'd think I'd have better things to do at 4:30 AM... ;)

[large_diver]

Just to be clear - in addition to being an instructor, Andrew Georgitsis is the training director for GUE.

[metridium]

large_diver wrote...
Just to be clear - in addition to being an instructor, Andrew Georgitsis is the training director for GUE. The training director, or the Tech training director?

Or both?

[wb416]

metridium once bubbled...
The training director, or the Tech training director?

Or both?

I'll let you decide

Andrew (http://www.gue.com/info/resumes/ageorgitsis.html)

[metridium]

cwb wrote...


I'll let you decide

Andrew (http://www.gue.com/info/resumes/ageorgitsis.html) Looks like both.

[MikeS]

WreckWriter once bubbled...


So do I. I can see where it might not be the greatest if one were diving naked but I don't dive naked.

WW

If I decide to take up naked diving I’m going to have to rethink the crotch strap.

Mike

[WreckWriter]

MikeS once bubbled...
If I decide to take up naked diving I’m going to have to rethink the crotch strap.

Mike

The only time the crotch strap can be an issue is if you hit the trigger on your Gavin without holding it out far enough to pull the crotch strap snug....

WW

[leadweight]

WreckWriter once bubbled...


The only time the crotch strap can be an issue is if you hit the trigger on your Gavin without holding it out far enough to pull the crotch strap snug....

WW