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Maggy
October 28th, 2008, 03:53 AM
Hi!

I bought a saftey sausage (about 4-5 ft) and thought it should be rather simple to figure out how to use it (and to find a proper user guide). Well, sorry if I am asking a stupid question, but I need some help.

There are weights in the bottom and the only way to enter air is by pressing these weights apart, so that the sausage opens. If I shall fill this sausage with air when I am on the surface, should I take the regulator, hold it under the surface, free flow it into the sausage and fill it up? Or how do I do?

My intension is not to fill it up when I am down there, it's going to be used in case I need it on the surface.

Appreciate any help how to use it. Don't have to add that I am new to diving (AOW with 19 dives). I only dive with dive operators so far. But I thought I should be prepared anyway, you never know what can happen.

Supershark
October 28th, 2008, 04:25 AM
Hi Maggy,

First let me say how great it is that you are taking some responsibility for your own safety, I love to see new divers asking these types of questions. I have seen experienced divers not know how to use this very basic piece of safety equipment. Below is some info from Padi for the use of smb's. I hope it helps.

1. Surface Marker Buoys serve a range of purposes. They are used to:
a. Allow shore cover / boat support to identify an ascending diver
b. Alert boat traffic to the presence of a diver
c. Provide a visual reference for ascending divers
2. Surface Marker Buoys are popular for use in areas with heavy boat traffic, or
where divers may be drifting in a current.
3. Delayed Surface Marker Buoys are popular where divers are unable to return
to the shotline to ascend, or where divers may not have a visual reference once
they end the dive.

1. Delayed SMBs are launched from depth, once the buddy team has reached a
pre-selected depth or point during their dive.
2. The delayed SMB is prepared, and attached to the clip on the reel.
3. The delayed SMB must be inflated with air. This can be achieved in a number
of ways
a. It can be inflated using the divers alternate air source
b. It can be inflated using the diverís buddyís alternate air source
c. It can be inflated using the exhaled bubbles from the diverís second
stage, or from air being dumped from the diverís LPI.
d. It can be inflated using a separate air source, such as a small dedicated
cylinder for this purpose.
4. The reel should either be held by the diver, or attached to a non-sensitive part
of the bottom topography. The reel should never be physically attached to a
diver whilst the delayed SMB is being inflated, as this risks a runaway ascent.
5. Once the DSMB is on the surface, the diver should keep the line taut, which
will cause the SMB to Ďstand upí on the surface and increase its visibility.
6. When launching a delayed SMB, divers should be aware of objects or divers
above them. These could include boats or parts of a wreck. Divers should
always look up and check that there are no obvious risk.

As you can see from this, it is recommended that you deploy the smb whilst still underwater, so I would say talk with the dive leader on your next dive and have them show you how to use your smb safely.

Dive Safe

Maggy
October 28th, 2008, 04:47 AM
Thank you for your reply!

OK, I understand that it's best to fill it with air from underwater. But what if I am not aware of that I will need it until I reach the surface, should I then descend again lika half a meter or just enough, to fill it? Or is it possible to do from the surface? I don't plan to use it on every dive (but will have it with me of course), as most places I have been diving, have a line to hang on to when ascending.

I will definitely ask the dive leader to show how to use it, so I feel comfortable with it.

Thanks for the kind words that I am thinking the right way.

TSandM
October 28th, 2008, 06:09 AM
The problem with filling a bag on the surface is that there is no force causing the air to enter the bag. If you hold the orifice of the bag under the surface, you can direct the output of the regulator into the bag, but unless you can seal the edges around it, there is no pressure to cause the bag to inflate. Most bags inflated on the surface are orally inflated, either through a valve or by blowing into the open end.

Kim
October 28th, 2008, 06:17 AM
But what if I am not aware of that I will need it until I reach the surface, should I then descend again lika half a meter or just enough, to fill it? I normally use a SS/SMB to mark my position from underwater so that boats can see where I am...... either to come get me, or maybe to avoid running me over with a propeller as I'm surfacing. :D


I will definitely ask the dive leader to show how to use it, so I feel comfortable with it.Great plan!


Thanks for the kind words that I am thinking the right way.Anyone learning to use an SS/SMB is thinking the right way! ;)

Maggy
October 28th, 2008, 06:31 AM
The problem with filling a bag on the surface is that there is no force causing the air to enter the bag. If you hold the orifice of the bag under the surface, you can direct the output of the regulator into the bag, but unless you can seal the edges around it, there is no pressure to cause the bag to inflate. Most bags inflated on the surface are orally inflated, either through a valve or by blowing into the open end.

Thanks. Now I understand better how this works. Maybe I bought the wrong device, because I was surpriced that it was not any possibility to inflate it orally. I kind of took it for granted. The brand is Mares.

But what do you suggest, is it possible to just descend a feet to inflate it? Or should I get another device?

Like I said before, when I dive, most are not drift dives and with a line to a bouy there is no need to show where I surface. But IF I or my buddy and I get separeated from the group, I will be able to show where I am. And also if I will dive at sites where you drift dive and the boat follow you (so far I have done that in Mexico and Thailand).

I use to rely on the dive leader, but thought that was a bad idea after reading several threads about being separated from the group or boat.

Supershark
October 28th, 2008, 06:54 AM
Like I said before, when I dive, most are not drift dives and with a line to a bouy there is no need to show where I surface. But IF I or my buddy and I get separeated from the group, I will be able to show where I am. And also if I will dive at sites where you drift dive and the boat follow you (so far I have done that in Mexico and Thailand).

I use to rely on the dive leader, but thought that was a bad idea after reading several threads about being separated from the group or boat.

SMB's are very useful in drift dives. I live and work in thailand, i carry 2 smb's. You can rely on the leader, however let's say that you and your buddy have lots more air than 1 other person in the group, you can continue the dive then deploy the smb. You get good value for money as you can get the full time out of your dive.

Learn how to deploy it underwater and your diving experiences will get better

Maggy
October 28th, 2008, 07:15 AM
Supershark, I will learn how to deploy it from underwater. It's a good idea.

Do I need another SMB for the surface situation I describe? Or will you say that this one is enough? Still confused about if possible to deploy it someway if you already are at the surface.

Sorry that I don't totally "get it" yet.

dkktsunami
October 28th, 2008, 08:01 AM
Supershark, I will learn how to deploy it from underwater. It's a good idea.

Do I need another SMB for the surface situation I describe? Or will you say that this one is enough? Still confused about if possible to deploy it someway if you already are at the surface.

Sorry that I don't totally "get it" yet.

Maggy, If your intent is to use the marker to signal a dive boat of your location on the surface, if you were caught in current for example, a "safety sausage" is what you want to use. This is designed to be orally inflated on the surface by blowing into a stem. This differs from a SMB which is deployed under water for a number of different reasons. The safety sausage is generally a little smaller, is not attached to a line and reel, and is easy to use. It is a good idea to carry one of these, even when on a commercial dive boat, if you are in an area of current or higher seas and there is the possibility of surfacing away from your boat.

ltw123
October 28th, 2008, 08:09 AM
Maggy,

One of the good things that the SMB can do for you is let people on the boat/surface know you have a problem when it first happens (while you're under water) rather than having to wait until you ascend to the surface. If there was a strong current and you were unable to ascend on the line, you can deploy your smb from depth and let the boat know "hey, here I am" before the current takes you so far away from the boat that it's difficult to spot you. With the smb up, someone on the surface can easily track you and make it a simple matter of coming to pick you up rather than having to look for you (hoping they see you) and then come pick you up.

Deploying the smb from depth is a skill that takes practice (and a spool or reel). If you don't know what you're doing, you can easily lose control of your buoyancy and rocket toward the surface...a REALLY BAD thing. So before trying this, talk with someone who knows and make sure that you understand what's going to happen, work on your buoyancy control, and practice in shallow water.

The smb that you have can be inflated on the surface, but isn't the ideal tool for the job. Play with it in your living room. You will want to "seal" the opening of the smb around the mouth piece on your regulator. This will help to trap the air in the smb. Otherwise, most of the air will just blow in and then out of the smb. It's like blowing up a balloon, you have to keep the seal otherwise you lose the air. If you can inflate it on the sofa, use the same technique while floating in the water. Just remember that by the time you surface, you may be a long way from the people that you want to communicate with.

This is a valuable and potentially life saving skill. Congratulations on taking a step in your self reliance and preservation.

In my opinion, a smb with a one way oral inflate valve (can be easily inflated on the surface or at depth) and a over pressure release valve (keeps the smb from exploding as it goes to the surface) is a good way to go.

Have fun and be safe.

diver 85
October 28th, 2008, 08:49 AM
I would deploy it on the 'way up' ie while ascending.....also one per person is enough AND most boat captains want this so they know how many divers are in this group ie area.....good luck & just practice it a time or 2, there are a few things you'll learn that will be helpful in using it that you'll only learn(find out) thru deploying it...

D_B
October 28th, 2008, 09:03 AM
One of the things not mentioned in all this good advice is that when you do practice deploying under water (preferably after watching your mentor do it) is to do it only on a very shallow dive, or after your safety stop if done after a deeper one .. the first time can find yourself going upward and it takes a bit to arrest your ascent (:blush:)
... also, I found that watching the particulate matter in the water was a better feedback for keeping my depth than trying to watch my depth gage, you just rig the SMB out of the courner of your vision, then look at it when ready/during deployment

Lucy's Diver
October 28th, 2008, 09:15 AM
I have one similar to this: Large Safety Stop Signal with Dump Valve reviews and discounts, ScubaToys (http://www.scubatoys.com/store/detail.asp?PRODUCT_ID=LargeSafety)
You can inflate it on the surface if you hold the bottom under the water a few feet. It will hold the air in with a sort of one way valve in it. It can only be delfated with the OP valve. It can be inflated orally by just blowing into it, in fact that's how I inflate it to dry it.

ScubaSteve
October 28th, 2008, 10:26 AM
Maggy,

I actually have two SMB's....one has an opening in the bottom which will open and allow me to easily inflate it using my alternate and will then seal again. This also has a pressure relief valve for if I put too much air in it.

My second marker (sausage) is a sealed unit which I can easily inflate on the surface to signal others of my location if needed. This one is a real challenge to inflate on the bottom and very unforgiving if you overinflate it. This one stays in my pocket while the other one gets clipped close to my reel.

I believe that two units in this case is a good idea. It sounds like maybe your situation may be similar.


Supershark, I will learn how to deploy it from underwater. It's a good idea.

Do I need another SMB for the surface situation I describe? Or will you say that this one is enough? Still confused about if possible to deploy it someway if you already are at the surface.

Sorry that I don't totally "get it" yet.

don Francisco
October 28th, 2008, 10:40 AM
Maggy- as others have said there is a difference between safety sausages and SMB's, though they can be used interchangably.

Sausages have valves and are designed to be inflated on the surface and held high or waved to call attention to yourself. Think visual whistle.

SMB's generally have open bottoms, are designed to be inflated at depth, and floated up to mark your position before you ascend. They don't work well as wavable flags since since they lose air when lifted out of the water.

Ideally, you'll want to learn to deploy an SMB before surfacing, since as others have noted it adds to your safety, but this requires a greater amount of skill and good bouyancy control. As you inflate an SMB underwater, you'll be holding an object of increasing floatation which will tend to pull you up with it until you let go, and then there'll be the line which hopefully will run free and not entangle you. With practice this is actually easy to manage, but is a skill that has to be learned and used regularly to keep sharp.

If most of your diving will be with organized groups, and your primary concern is the offchance possiblity of separation, I suggest you keep it simple and buy a valved safety sausage and inflate it after surfacing. Consider that if you're separated from the group, you'll already be anxious and won't want the added stress of dealing with an unfamilar task and another set of problems.

FireDiver443
October 28th, 2008, 11:29 AM
DAN had a pretty thorough piece on SMB deployment and safety in their Alert Diver publication last spring. The article might be available for download from DAN Divers Alert Network (http://diversalertnetwork.org/).

I've tried to get into the practice of deploying my SMB on every dive, usually when I'm heading for my safety stop. I'd recommend picking up a good reel and practice the skill in confined water a few times. Current can sometimes make this amusing drill to watch.

Maggy
October 28th, 2008, 03:06 PM
Thank you all for your replies. I have learned a lot today and now I understand this much better than before.

My intention when I bought this smb, was to buy a safety sausage. I didn't know there was a difference. Now I do.

I will leave for a dive trip on Friday, so I don't know if I have time to buy a safety sausage before that, but I'll bring my smb, and we'll see if I will use it. Depends on if someone can help me learn how to use it. Otherwise I might be able to find a safety sausage in the dive shops at the destination.

Thanks again - really appreciate all your good advises.

Mattyo
November 4th, 2008, 07:12 AM
I find it amazing that this skill is not taught as part of basic open water diving. Some of the agencies should look at including it in diver training. Good on Maggie for seeking advice. I did a number of PADI courses and never inflated a safety sausage or SMB. I dont remember anywhere where it was asked for or maybe it was that my instructor skimmed over it. It wasn't until I started Tech training where it became a requirement of almost every dive. The 1st time I was quite embarrissed that I did not know exactly how to tackle it.
Was anyone else taught this in OW, AOW, RESCUE etc.?


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