Where the heck IS the DIR III video?

[ScoobieDooo]

Where can I find Irvine's DIR video's, I, II & III online to SEE?

[Waterborne]

The number three video is on it's way over. Even zipped, this thing is taking forever. I would be interested in where I could find the second vid though.

[ScoobieDooo]

ok...

[SeaJay]

Check the my site in my sig... I have the vid from DIRIII, and the audio file from DIRII. That's all I've ever seen online.

[boomx5]

They just shooting another video, but there is no details of when it's coming out.

[wb416]

II was only available in VHS format, to my knowledge... I got mine from EE a few years ago, but they don't carry it anymore...

[Doc Intrepid]

I have the DIR II video on a CD in my office, regretably I'm on the road. On return, will try to PM you with it.

I've attempted (unsuccessfully - too large) to attach a plain text file that essentially recounts much of what Irvine covers in that video. (Actually, it is both more and less - the video is shot with two other individuals who take turns with George doing commentary. The attached presentation lacks that. It provides some historical context, however, for much of George's philosophy, and will no doubt be found either interesting or not depending on the perspective of the reader.)

The file is too large. If interested, PM or email me and I'll attach it to a return email to you.

Doc

[SeaJay]

I took the DIR III video off of my site when the server became unreliable. Sorry, guys... I have no video.

What I do have are audio files of both DIR II and DIR III. Enjoy. Neither II or III really require viewing anyway... The information is in the audio.

[ScoobieDooo]

Which one is it that Irvine talks about 'body bags?'

[SeaJay]

That's DIR II (Part 1). He knows he's being extreme. He knows he's being "over the top." But he's trying to drive home a point. Listen to it... He does have a point. No doubt you've dived with people before that match that profile perfectly... :)

[ScoobieDooo]

Yea,
I like Irvine - he's funny - but gets the job done and makes his point, and yup, I know people like that!

[ScoobieDooo]

Hmm,
I can't believe with all the DIR-ers on this MB that no one knows where these CAN be found, for download on ANY of the DIR web sites!

Someone must have them! Wonder why GUE doesn't offer them on their web site? Thats odd...

????

[wb416]

ScoobieDooo once bubbled...
Hmm,
I can't believe with all the DIR-ers on this MB that no one knows where these CAN be found, for download on ANY of the DIR web sites!

Someone must have them! Wonder why GUE doesn't offer them on their web site? Thats odd...

????

South Florida Dive Journal (http://www.sfdj.com/dive/dir1.htm)

the download links don't appear to be active anymore, but perhaps you can email him.

If you've seen them, you'll know why the marketing arm of GUE probably chose not to "carry" them:D

there is a pretty exhaustive set of DIR/Hogarthian website links here (http://www.bayareadivers.net/wb416/Links.shtm) but I haven't seen the videos you're asking for in a while

[SA-Diver]

Found the DIR III here yesterday.
http://jan.dir-slovenia.com/

[ScoobieDooo]

Thanks S-A Diver,
Mucho appreciate that!

Anyone have the DIR I & II vids now (not audio)?

[cnidae]

I'm also looking for Vids I & II.

[Doof]

Would it be legal to digitize these videos and put them up somewhere for download?

If so, I'd be willing to do it, if somebody had them and wanted to send them to me.

Hosting them would be another story, though. I could probably host them, but I can't guarantee how long I'd be willing to leave them up, depending on the bandwidth requirements. I'm only on a cable modem, after all. And I'd like to reserve some of that bandwidth for me. :out:

[Waterborne]

Would it be legal to digitize these videos and put them up somewhere for download?
I'm pretty sure that would be a copyright infringement. You may want to contact INTERPOL and see what they have to say about it. If you go ahead and do it, and it turns out to be illegal, you will be talking to them anyway. Those guys are nothing to mess with either, just like the IRS.
Now as far as the vids go, the sites that I got them from no longer have them available for download. I can understand why as it took an hour to download the DIR III vid even on a DSL line.These things have to be sucking up bandwidth so much that the web hosters are removing them. I am trying to find a way to compress them to send to people but they won't compress any farther than 4%. Even with WinZip 8.1. So I will keep trying and if I find a way to do it, I will get a list and send them to anyone who wants them.

[Doof]

So who here exactly should be talking to INTERPOL? ;)

It is possible to make a video without copywrighting it. With the way everybody's been talking so freely about downloading them, I wondered if maybe these videos hadn't been. Hence my question.

[SeaJay]

Any publication, whether it's a photograph, video, film, short story, poem, etc. is automatically copyrighted by federal law (in the U.S. anyway). What this means is that the original aritist, author, director, etc. has the right to sue someone who plagiarizes their work.

However, they'd have to be motivated first.

For example, if you made a video on How to Tie Your Shoelaces Correctly, and the following week you found that Stephen Spielberg had taken your video word-for-word and scene-for-scene and made a gazillion dollars selling tickets to it in the theaters, you'd be rightfully upset and demand at least a portion - if not all - of the profits, since it was "your" video.

However, if you wrote a short story and it was passed around on the Internet (complete with your name as the author), you'd be flattered, not wanting to sue someone.

Is it the money that makes the difference? Well, yes... But that's not the biggie... It's the idea of getting credit for your work when credit's due.

My point is that the purpose of DIR is not to sell videos... It's to promote a safer form of diving. Likely, the free distribution of these videos would be encouraged by GI3. However, if someone was making bootleg copies of it and selling them at $20 each, then GI3 or whoever might not be too happy about it. Either they'd want a cut of the profits or they'd insist that their material be distributed at no charge; their choice. Of course, they're less likely to do this anyway, since they sorta "get credit" for the video simply because they are in them. :)

Okay, assuming that you actually did commit the crime of "copyright infringement," (better defined as "ticking the author of the material off" than anything else) then likely the very first (and possibly only) action that would be taken against you is that GI3 would contact you (probably through a not-so-polite email) and tell you to "cease and desist" ("cut it out"). Most people simply "cease and desist" immediately, and no other action is taken. Only in the cases where the offender says, "screw you" and "I'm taking all the money too" does the problem go to court. Even then, GI3 would have to prove that it was his video, etc. (That he owned the rights and all.) That can be an expensive process, and simply put, if there's no money motivation (like the recovery of the gazillions of dollars of profit from Stephen Speilberg) then the copyright "owner" isn't very likely to spend the time, effort, and money "protecting" his interests.

Bottom line: Distribute the material. If it ticks off GI3, you'll find out. Never tell anyone that it's YOUR video... Always place credit where credit's due. That way, you're unlikely to tick off the wrong people.

Then if it DOES tick him off that you distributed it, then (after making sure that it's really GI3 and not your buddy playing a practical joke) simply apologize and "cease and desist." If the owner of the material asks you not to give it out, then from an ethical perspective, you really need to "not give it out." After all, it is HIS material. Simply apologize and abide by his wishes.

...But most of all, don't try to make a profit on something that isn't yours... And that should pretty much keep your tail out of the grinder. :D

DO NOT talk to INTERPOL or the FBI or the CIA or the Supreme Court or God or whoever. All of those guys will simply err on the side of conservatism and tell you, "If it's not yours, don't ever give it out." Of course, by strict definition, that means that you can't watch the ball game with your buds either, as you're committing "copyright infringement." Your kid also needs to go to jail for showing his buddy the latest cool baseball card, and of course, you can't drive your car, since it says, "Chevrolet" on it and you are NOT "Chevrolet." It's one of those areas where it's not black or white, but some shade of gray. My recommendation: Distribute the video, help promote better diving skills, and possibly save a life. If someone contacts you and tells you to "cease and desist," then make sure they're serious first (and have a right to tell you to cease and desist), then abide by their wishes, since it's their material.

[Doof]

I agree completely with all that you just said. I'm just saying that it's possible that GI3 and co. simply made these videos and put them out there in the public domain. Or at least said at one point, hey, we don't care who sees these, who distributes, just as long as you don't make money from the distribution.

It happens all the time in the software world.

Which brings me back to my original point. IF it is the case that it would be legal to digitize and distribute these videos, which I do believe was my very first question in this thread, then I'd be willing to do it.

Of course, if it's not legal, then obviously I wouldn't do it. I wouldnt' have asked if it was legal in the first place if I had intentions of thumbing my nose at the law or saying to hell with GI3.

And I guess it's pretty apparent that nobody knows what the legality of this would be. Better to err on the side of caution. :out:

[cnidae]

SeaJay, you've got to much time on your hands, lol.:D

[SeaJay]

cnidae once bubbled...
SeaJay, you've got to much time on your hands, lol.:D

Nah. The problem is that I type fast, so if I take more than two minutes to reply, I have to seperate it into chapters. :D

Doof, I don't think that "nobody knows the legality of this." We all know that it's illegal to distribute materials without the expressed, written permission of the owner. That's it, in black and white.

...So perhaps you should write GI3 and ask permission.

I personally would distribute the material, while giving credit where credit is due (i.e.: never claiming it as my own.) 99% of the time, people are fine with that until there's money involved. However, if the owner of the material is not cool with you distributing, then apologize and cease immediately.

That's the standard protocol in the copyright biz.

[Waterborne]

Doof once bubbled...
So who here exactly should be talking to INTERPOL? ;)

It is possible to make a video without copywrighting it. With the way everybody's been talking so freely about downloading them, I wondered if maybe these videos hadn't been. Hence my question.
Okay after coming back and reading my own post again, I just realized how dumb that sounded. LOL So yeah, I think that maybe writing GI3 as SeaJay said would be a good idea. I think that hosting the vids for download has become a problem for most people. So much a problem that they are removing them for download shortly after they put them up.
Well if anyone else has written GI3 about it then please let us now what his stance is on this subject. OTOH, if no one has asked him yet, I will glady do it and let you know what happens.

[ScoobieDooo]

Why,
Only one web site that I saw was CHARGING $2 per copy to divers - now THAT would be illegal, but I wouldn't imagine GUE would care if you hosted them for FREE for all to see, right?

After all, its good advertisement for GUE DIR I would think...

[wb416]

ScoobieDooo once bubbled...
Why,
Only one web site that I saw was CHARGING $2 per copy to divers - now THAT would be illegal, but I wouldn't imagine GUE would care if you hosted them for FREE for all to see, right?

After all, its good advertisement for GUE DIR I would think...

...ummmm... the video being referred to isn't a GUE product...

[DIR Tec Diver]

The next video is in process. George promised to be clothed this time =) There are a lot of people contributing to help make it a professional class video. He will let us know when it is nearer to completion.