Halcyon Pioner 36 and 45
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The primary difference is in the lift capacity of the bladders.
According to Halcyon:
I dive a Pioneer 36 as my singles rig with an HP120 and a drysuit. I've also used it with a single stage. There is plenty of lift.
What is your application?
According to Halcyon:
I dive a Pioneer 36 as my singles rig with an HP120 and a drysuit. I've also used it with a single stage. There is plenty of lift.
What is your application?
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I might add, the 45lb wing is too large for most singles applicatons. You don't want the wing wrapping around your tank ie "the taco effect".
I've never even seen a 45 lb Pioneer. Does it taco?
cyklon_300
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but I think he wants to know how to visually identify the two wings...
My 36 has a blue pleat...I don't know if the pleat on the 45 is a different color. Some web sites show it as a yellowish color, but that may just be for photographic purposes...
My 36 has a blue pleat...I don't know if the pleat on the 45 is a different color. Some web sites show it as a yellowish color, but that may just be for photographic purposes...
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I haven't either. But most singles setups are either the 27 or 36 lb wing, so the 45 would be way too large. I thought that the 45 was the same size as the 55 (length and width, not depth), but I could be wrong.
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I stand corrected. The 45 looks just like the 36. I'm not sure how they get the extra bouyancy, but I'm guessing it's an extra large gusset.
Here's a picture:
http://www.tekdiv.com/BC_Systems.htm
And a quote from the Halcyon site:
The Pioneer 45 wing is specifically designed for extreme cold water use or where lift must be capable of offsetting unusual amounts of applied ballast. This system is not recommended for typical recreational diving.
Here's a picture:
http://www.tekdiv.com/BC_Systems.htm
And a quote from the Halcyon site:
The Pioneer 45 wing is specifically designed for extreme cold water use or where lift must be capable of offsetting unusual amounts of applied ballast. This system is not recommended for typical recreational diving.
Dryglove
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The 45lb wing i seen at the dive shop is identical in color to the 36lb wing but has larger blue bellows on the side.
Seems like a good setup. I just purchased a brand new Dive Rite Classic Wing (59 lbs lift), for my Dive Rite SS Backplate, but I think I like the Halcyon 45 lbs. wing better for my singles.
Anyone got a brand new Halcyon 45 lbs wing, they want to trade with me for my brand new, never been wet, DR Classic Wing?
Anyone got a brand new Halcyon 45 lbs wing, they want to trade with me for my brand new, never been wet, DR Classic Wing?
Why would you want the 45 when even the manufacturer says that it isn't necessary for most singles diving? Seems like overkill to me, unless you are doing the type of diving for which it is recommended.
The 27 or the 36 seems to work fine.
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