Lake Simcoe airplane wreck

[roastbeef]

Years ago there was diving club in Toronto who sank a cessna airplane body out in lake Simcoe does any one have the numbers for its location. Thank you

[imasinker]

Sorry I don't know much about that one, but I have a buddy of mine who tells me there is a old Lancaster Bomber in Simcoe as well. I am trying to get the info on that one as well. Be sure to let us know what you find out!

[Jimmer]

If you find info about a Lancaster, let me know. That would be pretty sweet to dive on.

[imasinker]

If you find info about a Lancaster, let me know. That would be pretty sweet to dive on.

Basically It's a boat dive, my buddy is going to take us out and show us the location, just of shore but a bit too far for surface swim. He hasn't been there for a few years, and we don't know the condition of the plane itself. As soon we get it worked out i'll let you know what the plan is.

[ScubaSteve]

Basically It's a boat dive, my buddy is going to take us out and show us the location, just of shore but a bit too far for surface swim. He hasn't been there for a few years, and we don't know the condition of the plane itself. As soon we get it worked out i'll let you know what the plan is.

Thanks....hopefull you have a good dive on it and it is in good condition. Hopefully you can log the GPS coordinates and post them so it can be enjoyed by many. I am always looking for a new site because I have logged a lot of dives at the "local" ones. Necessity of a boat may throw a wrench into it for me but I will always find a way.

[Jimmer]

What's the depth on the site?

[imasinker]

What's the depth on the site?

I was quoted around the 80- 90 foot range. It was about 5 years ago he did the dive and he was a begginer then and hadn't been back since. I myself don't know much about the lake still in the research part, howevere I do know Big bay we hit 85 feet. The site I have been told is two beaches west of Big Bay Point. Again once we get close to charter times for the lake I will let you know and we can head out and see what we get.

8 of us are hading to the Tiller Wreck Tomorrow for a dive, should be a blast.

Let me know when you can get out Jimmer for a dive.

[Jimmer]

I wont be at the Tiller dive, but I'll likely be at the noon dive at the dive park. Are you going to that one as well?

[imasinker]

Yes I will be there....Hopefully diving as well...

[roastbeef]

For years the story of the Lancaster plane wreck under lake Simcoe has been told and I never heard of it actually being found it would of made the national papers and I'm sure would of been removed for historical reasons as there are only a hand full of those wonderful planes actually flying and left in the world. They were made in Malton Ontario for the British air force back in the 40's. The plane I was talking about is a small Cessna plane I dove on about 12 years back and there was a small trimaran boat just beside it.



info:http://www.lancastermuseum.ca/lancavro.html

[Tamas]

Years ago there was diving club in Toronto who sank a cessna airplane body out in lake Simcoe does any one have the numbers for its location. Thank you

Are you sure you are not confusing it with the one sunk in Kirkfield Quarry?

[roastbeef]

No! definitely not Kirkfield Quarry. I've been diving lake Simco for 28 years and dove this plane several times we even picked it up and moved it once. I just can't remember its last location. It was put down there in the old days when our dive club had over 400 members and Underwater Canada was the number one show in north America o the good old days.

[roastbeef]

Time to move it again .

[Tamas]

No! definitely not Kirkfield Quarry. I've been diving lake Simco for 28 years and dove this plane several times we even picked it up and moved it once. I just can't remember its last location. It was put down there in the old days when our dive club had over 400 members and Underwater Canada was the number one show in north America o the good old days.

Well if you find it, let us know......lake Simcoe diving could always use some more "wrecks" and entertainment....gets quite boring looking a the same planks, garden gnome, washing machine......etc.

[ScubaSteve]

I wish someone would sink something decent in Georgian Bay (preferrably in Colpoys Bay) where it can be accessed by shore. Boat access or not, I look forward to the coordinates for this wreck so that I can get out to it. I need new sites to dive.

[simcoediver]

For years the story of the Lancaster plane wreck under lake Simcoe has been told and I never heard of it actually being found it would of made the national papers and I'm sure would of been removed for historical reasons as there are only a hand full of those wonderful planes actually flying and left in the world. They were made in Malton Ontario for the British air force back in the 40's. The plane I was talking about is a small Cessna plane I dove on about 12 years back and there was a small trimaran boat just beside it.



info:Canadian Built Avro Lancasters (http://www.lancastermuseum.ca/lancavro.html)

R.B.
I have the #s for the the Trimaran sailboat, a buddy and I did a quick search for the plane thats supposed to be 400 fin clicks to the south east of the trimaran a couple of years ago and never found it , upon further inquiries we found out it had been moved by a dive club a few years earlier and no one has bothered to let out the new numbers for the plane, so now its lost.
It would be nice to share GPS #s here for the benefit of the diving community as I have shared my #s here often.
If anyone here knows the # for the Cessna plane in Cooks Bay please share.
As for the Lancaster plane I too have heard rumors that its supposed to be somewhere along the north shore of Kempenfelt Bay near Oro but I dont think it exists.

[ScubaSteve]

What are the coordinates of the sailboat? I am sure everybody would love to have them. Thanks a lot.

Did the dive club indicate even how far they moved it? That sounds kind of shady that a dive club would relocate a plane wreck without the permission of anybody. I would think they broke a couple laws somehow but I am not the police or a lawyer....it just sounds wrong to me.

R.B.
I have the #s for the the Trimaran sailboat, a buddy and I did a quick search for the plane thats supposed to be 400 fin clicks to the south east of the trimaran a couple of years ago and never found it , upon further inquiries we found out it had been moved by a dive club a few years earlier and no one has bothered to let out the new numbers for the plane, so now its lost.
It would be nice to share GPS #s here for the benefit of the diving community as I have shared my #s here often.
If anyone here knows the # for the Cessna plane in Cooks Bay please share.
As for the Lancaster plane I too have heard rumors and dont think it exists.

[simcoediver]

Hi Steve, I think that the dive club put the plane there originally as a dive site and used it for lift bag practise therby moving it from its original site, so it basically belongs to them to do as they please with it (I think this is the case but not sure).
My GPS unit with all the wreck #s is at home up north. I will post the # for the Trimaran to share with everyone this Sunday.

[ScubaSteve]

Well then that makes more sense if they put it there in the first place. I guess blackmail may not work :rofl4:. Darn....on to plan B.

Thanks for posting the coordinates when you get them.

Hi Steve, I think that the dive club put the plane there originally as a dive site and used it for lift bag practise therby moving it from its original site, so it basically belongs to them to do as they please with it (I think this is the case but not sure).
My GPS unit with all the wreck #s is at home up north. I will post the # for the Trimaran to share with everyone this Sunday.

[simcoediver]

I will post the coords next weekend , we have decided to stay in the city due to snowsquall warnings at our home in the north.
Not to worry I wont forget.

[roastbeef]

Its just a small plane the wings are held on with wooden beams. We moved the plane some distance away fron the trimaran but all be dambed if i can remember were it is we dropped her.

Rb

[simcoediver]

R.B Do you think you moved it far? perhaps within a 100 yard circle from the Trimaran?

[simcoediver]

Ok as requested here are the numbers for the Trimaran
44.14.606N/07931.445W.This is accurate and has been confirmed by me.
Surprise,!! here are the numbers for the plane, this is from an unconfirmed source so dont blame me if its wrong. 44.14.569N/079.31.358W. but looking at the numbers the plane is within 45-50 meters from the Trimaran.
Now that I have shared my numbers can anyone give me some numbers for other stuff in Simcoe, in particular I,m looking for the numbers to a wreck called the Enterprise as well as the numbers for a wreck called the Queen.It does not matter if it an old car or a small boat sitting on the bottom too, any numbers would be nice to have.
Its only fair to share as I have.
P.S. the Plane and Trimaran are sitting on pure mud so vis can go bad really fast, fin slow and stay off the bottom!

[mikerault]

From another website about a search for a sunk rescue boat:

After 3 straight days of searching, the boat still hasn't been found (okay stop laughing now) They did come across an old Lancaster Bomber that crashed many years ago that some people have been searching for years for! Must be in the Bermuda Triangle of Lake Simcoe!

http://www.firehall.com/forum/showthread.php?p=115373

[simcoediver]

So then it does exist!! anyone have the coords for it?

[roastbeef]

No it does not exist I've been diving the lake for 30 year and have never come across a Lancaster nor has anyone else this story has been around for years there has never been a picture shown to prove anyones find you think there would be and I'm sure they would of lifted her out years back if such a plane did sink. I checked with the air craft museum at downview they searched there data on Lancasters and even aviation history documents record no such incident of a lancaster crashing into lake Simco its as phoney as the sea monster. I dove the Enterprise there is nothing there just some boards sticking out of the mud.

RB

[roastbeef]

No! it does not exist I've been diving the lake for 30 year and have never come across a Lancaster nor has anyone else this story has been around for years there has never been a picture shown to prove anyone's find you think there would be and I'm sure they would of lifted her out years back if such a plane did sink. I checked with the air craft museum at downsview they searched there data on Lancaster's and even aviation history documents record no such incident of a Lancaster crashing into lake Simcoe its as phony as the sea monster Igopogo - The Lake Simcoe Sea Monster. Igopogo - (http://www.theastralworld.com/cryptozoology/igopogo.php).

I dove the Enterprise there is nothing there just some boards sticking out of the mud.

RB

[ScubaSteve]

Igopogo is no longer in the lake. They took it out and used it inthe filming of the Never Ending Story :D.

[simcoediver]

I dove the Enterprise there is nothing there just some boards sticking out of the mud.


RB[/QUOTE]

Well RB, please PM me the coordinattes for the Enterprise!!I helped you out by giving you the coords for the Cessna. Just send it privatlly to me . PLEASE !!Thanks !!

[roastbeef]

Hi Simcoe diver i'm trying hard to get htose number for ya. But in the mean time here is the location of a cabin cruiser sunk going back about 25 years. Its in 80 feet of water N44 22 831 - w7940-405.

Dive Safe

[ScubaSteve]

Hi Simcoe diver i'm trying hard to get htose number for ya. But in the mean time here is the location of a cabin cruiser sunk going back about 25 years. Its in 80 feet of water N44 22 831 - w7940-405.

Dive Safe


First of all, does anybody know exactly how far this is from the Morrison? I know the Morrison is fairly close to shore, but how close I do not know. Now to add to roastbeef's post...the OUC has some information on Google Earth about this.


Neilson

Ontario Shipwrecks.kmz (http://google-earth-fake-url-for-links.google.com/http%3A%2F%2Funderwatercouncil.com%2Fdownloads%2Fo uc_shipwreck_directory_v2.0.kmz) - 219 Placemarks
underwatercouncil.com/downloads/ouc_shipwreck_directory_v2.0.kmz - 297k


Build: Cabin Cruiser
Location: Kempenfelt Bay, Barrie
Depth: 80'
Length: 35'
Built: ?
Sunk: ?
Access: Boat
Level: Advanced
Orientation: Upright
Cautions: Boat Traffic

Neilson a 35' Cabin Cruiser sitting upright at depth of approximately 80'.

Support OUC Member Businesses:
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- AAA Aquasports (http://google-earth-fake-url-for-links.google.com/http%3A%2F%2Fwww.oktriplea.com%2F)
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Area OUC Member Scuba Clubs:
- 4D Diving (http://google-earth-fake-url-for-links.google.com/http%3A%2F%2Fwww.4ddiving.com%2F4d%2F)
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GPS Co-ordinates
Latitude: N 44 22.831
Longitude: W 79 40.405

Brought to you by: Ontario Underwater Council
file:///C:/DOCUME~1/SMCCRO~1/LOCALS~1/Temp/ge5696/images/khimg0 (http://google-earth-fake-url-for-links.google.com/http%3A%2F%2Fwww.underwatercouncil.com%2F)

[simcoediver]

Thanks for trying RB, Ive already dove the Nielson a couple times, and already have its numbers its about a kilometer out from the Morrison out in the bay, Its a dark dive so take a light and make sure your boat is well anchored or tie it off to the wreck.
Ive been trying for 5 years to get the numbers for the Enterprise.So yes I know its hard to get ..When you said you dove it RB I had hopes that you had the numbers for the Enterprise,
Oh well, theres several other wrecks I am trying to get #s for The Queen, St George and a big houseboat between Thorah and Georgina islands. I will be looking for them this summer.
I have a list of 6-7 #s to share thru pms with RB and Scubasteve of known wrecks, anyone else will need to share their #s with me before I give any more out.

[Maximum Overdive]

Don't know but if you google earth 44 degrees 31' 13.87"N by 79 degrees 24' 25.29" looks like plane NO?

[simcoediver]

My computer always goes bonkers when I try to download google earth,, I guess my 10 year old computer does not have enough memory.
Can someone else that has google earth confirm this?
Is it in Cooks Bay or somewhere else in L Simcoe?

[ScubaSteve]

I will gladly confirm it but what is it you want confirmed? Data please :D.

EDIT

Try this map link that you should be able to do. There is a faint white blotch in the center of the map. You can see what he was talking about.

http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=44.520989,-79.406605&spn=0.045959,0.076904&t=h&z=14

[shoredivr]

Hmmm, seems like dirt on my monitor....<squint>

[ScubaSteve]

Well, on my monitor it looks like clean dirt....but it never hurts to look. If you look at a lot of areas on Lake Simcoe (maybe others), there are many of those "white blotches" which indicates to me they are likely not wrecks of any sort. Besides, the wreck would have to be very shallow to see it from a satellite image. We do not have the clearest water around here.

I am still very game to go to that spot and dive just in case it is something cool. I am always up for some new diving :D.

[mikerault]

Afraid if you look close, that is leaving a wake. I don't believe airplanes on the bottom of a lake leave wakes generally speaking...

[ScubaSteve]

Afraid if you look close, that is leaving a wake. I don't believe airplanes on the bottom of a lake leave wakes generally speaking...

I suppose that depends on how fast and how recently they hit the surface :D :joke:. Actually I assumed those lines were imperfections in my monitor...not a wake. Maybe since you see it too it must be a wake. I don't care....I will still dive there. Anything for a dive.

[simcoediver]

Ok,Ok I will check it out, Ive put the coords on my GPS and I will check it out in June or July when the hard water is gone!
It could be just a blotch of mud stirred up by a big pike or a boat prop and thats what you see on Google Earth.
The vis is pretty bad in Cooks Bay( +/- 10ft) and I can't see how a photo from the sky can pick out a wreck on the bottom.

[Maximum Overdive]

Don't get me wrong, I'm new to scuba board and new to diving. I happened to read this post and thought I'd look on google Earth to see if I could find it as I have made out planes in the past. Don't concentrate on the little white fleck but concider the fleck as the corner of the tail with the rest of the plane pointing south and just west of the fleck. It looks like a plane to me and has my curiosity peaked, if you go please let me know of the outcome, THANX!!!

[ScubaSteve]

I can definitely see what you mean Maximum Overdrive. I can see what you say looks like a plane. While it is most unlikely that we can see the plane from Google Earth in those waters, anything is possible. So, consider my curiosity piqued as well. I am with Simcoediver....come June or July this would be an interesting dive. Too bad I have no boat :shakehead: because I very much enjoy exploring. We will hear about it once it has been dove.

[shoredivr]

I don't care....I will still dive there. Anything for a dive.

That's the spirit, I like to dive that way too.

[ScubaSteve]

All we need is a boat and some warmer weather and we can go exploring. I am definitely game.

[simcoediver]

I dug this up out of my computer and thought I would share this here. Its of interest to divers in Lake Simcoe. Its in PDF format, when its downloaded go to page 30 and read the artical, also look at the map of the wrecks.the wrecks in this map are the old steamships. all the new stuff (plane, cabin cruiser etc)is not on this map. click here http://www.lakesimcoeliving.com/dotnetnuke/Portals/0/Magazine_web.pdf enjoy some good reading on a rainy weekend!

[shoredivr]

Hey, Simcoediver, that was a good find! The article does mention the newer wrecks in the text, just not on the map.

Who's got the boat? All that rain should have done something to the ice thickness.

[simcoediver]

Well the map is ok but it doesnt help find any wrecks. I need GPS#s and I am sure there are divers out there that have them. But for some reason not willing to share.
I will continue doing my own searches with the information I have. Im looking forward to the summer now scootering around and finding things on the bottom.

[ScubaSteve]

Yeah, I think I purchased nautical charts for Lake Simcoe this past summer.....I guess I should find out. Spring will not come quick enough for me. I need to get wet. I also need to have my gear serviced soon. Darn it all.

[camshaw]

I've heard of the sport plane sunk out there for the divers and a twin engine maybe a Harpoon that went into the lake up at the north end,but the lancaster I was told crashed on the beach and took out some trees and then was trucked away,but not in the lake itself,anymore info,would be a great dive to check out if the zebra muscles haven't completely covered it into a big bulb of crustasian goo...

[SKREAM]

Anybody still searching for the Enterprise???
Assuming it's more than just a few boards sticking out of the mud, I wouldn't mind diving it. Just looking for interesting shore dives

[simcoediver]

It was found nearly 10 years ago, but the location is being kept secret until some marine archeologist decides to do a survey or something along those lines. I know for a fact it is not a shore dive.

[SKREAM]

Okay, so thinking back ten years, did you dive off Sibbald Point, Jackson's Point or elsewhere. My reports suggest that it is just off Sibbald Point. If you did it back then did you go out from Jackson's Point? There must be some way of doing rudimentary triangulation to get a fix on it. It was at drydock at Jackson's Wharf, had its machinery removed and taken to deeper water to be suttled.

[roastbeef]

No! it not at those locations we towed it close to Georgina island but i just can remember were.

[SKREAM]

Hey, hey, hey, I meant the Enterprise not the Plane. You're not old enough to have been involved in the towing of it to deeper water. Stay focussed

[roastbeef]

Not old enough, well I've been diving lake simcoe for 31 years now. The pile of boards you call the Enterprise which lays just off Jacksons point is just that a bunch of boards and not worth the dive.

[SKREAM]

Thirty-years of diving is IMPRESSIVE; but still, you're not old enough to have been around when the Enterprise was sunk ;~{ ) ARE YOU??
Okay, that said of the 'pile of boards', what would you dive after the Morrison and the marine railway. I like the history more and the 'artificial' dive sites less, if you know what I mean. I saw the shots that Warren Lo took of the Morrison on an ice dive, are there other truly historical dive sites in Simcoe?

[simcoediver]

No,if you want historical dive sites you need to go to Kingston or Tobermory.

[ScubaSteve]

You mean there is nothing historical at Gullivers? :D

[Steve, SDI/TDI HQ]

No,if you want historical dive sites you need to go to Kingston or Tobermory.

Or Point Travers and the Thousand Islands...