I'm considering getting a longer hose for my octo, maybe 4 or 5' but not switching to a "long hose" set-up with a bungied octo.
Does anyone have this configuration and if so, how do you recommend that I route the hose? Right now I have my octo hose routed under my right arm in a keeper on my right BC strap.
TIA!
Rachel
salty
May 23rd, 2003, 01:24 PM
Whats the point?
If your not going to switch to a bungied back up why do you need the long hose and a octo?
The two kind of work as a team.
Any way most people who dive with a 5 foot hose usaly rout the hose under the arm, across the chest, and around the neck so the reg comes from the right shoulder.
jonnythan
May 23rd, 2003, 01:25 PM
biscuit7 once bubbled...
I'm considering getting a longer hose for my octo, maybe 4 or 5' but not switching to a "long hose" set-up with a bungied octo.
Does anyone have this configuration and if so, how do you recommend that I route the hose? Right now I have my octo hose routed under my right arm in a keeper on my right BC strap.
TIA!
Rachel
Why not a long primary? It really kicks a$$. You should at least give it a shot, you won't go back.
salty
May 23rd, 2003, 01:29 PM
I mis-read the post the first time but like Jonny said you should consider switching your regs around to a long hose primary and short hose secondary.
GearHead
May 23rd, 2003, 01:51 PM
biscuit7 once bubbled...
I'm considering getting a longer hose for my octo, maybe 4 or 5' but not switching to a "long hose" set-up with a bungied octo.
Does anyone have this configuration and if so, how do you recommend that I route the hose? Right now I have my octo hose routed under my right arm in a keeper on my right BC strap.
TIA!
Rachel
I'm curious where you got the idea to use a long-hose for your backup. Did you read it somewhere or do you have a picture?
wreckchick
May 23rd, 2003, 02:02 PM
I got the idea because a recent incident had me on a short octo and I couldn't see my buddy while breathing off his octo and thought that a longer hose with a standard configuration would give me and a buddy the ability to see each other face to face while sharing air.
R
GearHead
May 23rd, 2003, 02:10 PM
biscuit7 once bubbled...
I got the idea because a recent incident had me on a short octo and I couldn't see my buddy while breathing off his octo and thought that a longer hose with a standard configuration would give me and a buddy the ability to see each other face to face while sharing air.
R
A longer hose would have helped alleviate the problem, but not in the way you want to use it, in my opinion.
To me, having a long hose as an "Octo" sounds like a snag hazard waiting to happen. I'll be surprised to read if anyone can suggest a good "routing method" for stowing 5 feet of hose as an octo, and still be able to deploy it quickly and easily.
If you use the standardized methodology of the long hose, using it as a primary, routing it under your arm and around your neck, with a bungied backup, you'll be safer and happier in the end.
JMHO
Rick
bwerb
May 23rd, 2003, 02:12 PM
exactly why the long hose set-up is so good. If you are just putting your octopus on a long hose with a standard hose routing you are going to have a huge loop of octopus to get all tangled up.
You would LOVE the long hose bungied back-up configuration. My wife and I have switched and can't understand why we weren't taught this from the very begining, it just makes so much sense and is so much easier to use in a OOA situation.
GearHead
May 23rd, 2003, 02:15 PM
You don't have to have a BP/Wings with a can light or pocket for routing a 7' hose to see the benifits of the concept. My wife uses a 5' hose routed under her arm with no problems. There are LOTS of safety advantages to using a long hose in the traditional way.
wreckchick
May 23rd, 2003, 02:17 PM
Why yes, I'd LOVE some kool-aid!!! :D
No need to get testy, it's just a joke!
*sigh*
Alright, who's gonna let me dive their rig so I can try this?
Rachel
detroit diver
May 23rd, 2003, 02:23 PM
I'll make ya a deal.
If you come to the DIR Demo at Gilboa on the 31st, there will be backplates and wings to try there. I will loan you a single tank reg setup for a dive.
You'll have to go thru the demo, but I don't consider that a hardship for anyone.
Let me know if you want to do this so that I can bring my single tank regs with me.
Jack
biscuit7 once bubbled...
Why yes, I'd LOVE some kool-aid!!! :D
No need to get testy, it's just a joke!
*sigh*
Alright, who's gonna let me dive their rig so I can try this?
Rachel
Big-t-2538
May 23rd, 2003, 02:30 PM
GearHead once bubbled...
To me, having a long hose as an "Octo" sounds like a snag hazard waiting to happen.
I disagreee with that statement...I don't see how it is more of a hazard than having a 7' routed as a primary and a shorter back-up. I think the better argument is that a long primary is easier to use b/c it is easier to deploy in am emergency and pick up the back-up than it is to find and deploy a back-up that is tucked away somewhere.
I don't know, I am going to be trying this set-up soon...I am also taking the fundys class in June....I'll see what I like/don't like for myself.
ckharlan66
May 23rd, 2003, 02:31 PM
biscuit7 once bubbled...
Why yes, I'd LOVE some kool-aid!!! :D
No need to get testy, it's just a joke!
*sigh*
Alright, who's gonna let me dive their rig so I can try this?
Rachel
You are welcome to try it any time.....But I am usually rigged for doubles. :D
You are welcome to dive with me and see how it works. Or Ber Rabbit has a long hose that she might let you try.
Chad
ckharlan66
May 23rd, 2003, 02:34 PM
It sounds like DD is ready to hook you up. :D
Chad
detroit diver
May 23rd, 2003, 02:36 PM
Big-t-2538 once bubbled...
I disagreee with that statement...I don't see how it is more of a hazard than having a 7' routed as a primary and a shorter back-up. I think the better argument is that a long primary is easier to use b/c it is easier to deploy in am emergency and pick up the back-up than it is to find and deploy a back-up that is tucked away somewhere.
I don't know, I am going to be trying this set-up soon...I am also taking the fundys class in June....I'll see what I like/don't like for myself.
It's a potential snag hazard because you have to stuff the extra hose somewhere. Those extra stuffed loops can become an issue. The other problem is that you can't do an OOA drill without having to re-stuff the hose again. Do that enough times and you won't do the OOA anymore, and that's not good.
wreckchick
May 23rd, 2003, 02:36 PM
If I'm not working I'll be at Gilboa that weekend anyway, but I'll know for sure shortly.
I would be glad to take you up on your offer!
Mmmmm..... Cherry......
R
detroit diver
May 23rd, 2003, 02:37 PM
ckharlan66 once bubbled...
It sounds like DD is ready to hook you up. :D
Chad
No kool-aid, but I'll buy ya a Pepsi!
detroit diver
May 23rd, 2003, 02:38 PM
biscuit7 once bubbled...
If I'm not working I'll be at Gilboa that weekend anyway, but I'll know for sure shortly.
I would be glad to take you up on your offer!
Mmmmm..... Cherry......
R
PM me when you know.
wreckchick
May 23rd, 2003, 02:39 PM
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GearHead
May 23rd, 2003, 03:37 PM
Big-t-2538 once bubbled...
I disagreee with that statement...I don't see how it is more of a hazard than having a 7' routed as a primary and a shorter back-up. I think the better argument is that a long primary is easier to use b/c it is easier to deploy in am emergency and pick up the back-up than it is to find and deploy a back-up that is tucked away somewhere.
I don't know, I am going to be trying this set-up soon...I am also taking the fundys class in June....I'll see what I like/don't like for myself.
I'm taking DIR-F in June also Big-T, so I guess we'll each get a big dose of Kool-Aid. ;)
Really though, think about what DD and I are saying regarding a 7' octo: what do you do with all of that coiled hose and still try and stow it within "the triangle" while not having it be a snag hazard? I can't think of any good way to do it.
Practical Example: I've seen people use bungeed sleeves for stowing a Pony bottle donate-able regulator. One of the guys was my buddy on a dive and he snagged the regulator on the inside of a wreck, deploying all 7', and I had to free it for him.
wreckchick
May 23rd, 2003, 03:41 PM
I won't be inside a wreck, or a cave and I don't really want all 7' but I'm still trying to figure the routing for a longer than normal, yet not quite long hose.
That's why I was asking for opinions/advice!
R
roturner
May 23rd, 2003, 03:49 PM
Big-t-2538 once bubbled...
I disagreee with that statement...I don't see how it is more of a hazard than having a 7' routed as a primary and a shorter back-up. I think the better argument is that a long primary is easier to use b/c it is easier to deploy in am emergency and pick up the back-up than it is to find and deploy a back-up that is tucked away somewhere.
I don't know, I am going to be trying this set-up soon...I am also taking the fundys class in June....I'll see what I like/don't like for myself.
Anyone else having trouble visualising how you would route that? You'd have to put it under your arm and stuff the hose........somewhere. <fx rubbing chin and thinking> nope. I can't see it. I'm not being cynical I just can't visualise where you would stuff the hose that it would come loose easiliy when you needed it but if it accidently came loose you wouldn't need to doff your kit to get it back in again.
R..
detroit diver
May 23rd, 2003, 04:18 PM
biscuit7 once bubbled...
I won't be inside a wreck, or a cave and I don't really want all 7' but I'm still trying to figure the routing for a longer than normal, yet not quite long hose.
That's why I was asking for opinions/advice!
R
You don't need to be on/in any of those. Fishing line appears (or doesn't:wacko: ) in places you wouldn't believe.
double125's
May 23rd, 2003, 05:41 PM
Just for the record I think you will enjoy breathing the long hose better. In my personal experience the long hose produces less jaw fatique and made my regulater breath smoother. If your buddy is in a true air emergency he will rip your reg out of your mouth and when you grab your octo you would now be breathing the long hose which defeated your reason for wanting it in the first place. If you configure it like mentioned on this board you would always donate the primary, whether it be out of air or low on air emergency.
wreckchick
May 23rd, 2003, 05:45 PM
So then which one is the yellow one? :out:
R
GearHead
May 23rd, 2003, 05:46 PM
biscuit7 once bubbled...
So then which one is the yellow one? :out:
R
The P-Valve!!! :out:
roturner
May 23rd, 2003, 06:16 PM
biscuit7 once bubbled...
So then which one is the yellow one? :out:
R
Black black black. It's all got to be black. Even the surgical tubing on the octopus is black. The suit is black, the mask is black, the fins are black, backup lights, scooters, everything. You probably even need to drive to the divesite in a black vehicle....and don't forget those "Matrix" shades, man. :) LOL (I'm amusing myself to no end... LOL)
If you mean which one do you donate in OOA, it's the primary that gets donated. The "octopus" on the necklace is yours.
R..
Big-t-2538
May 23rd, 2003, 06:27 PM
GearHead once bubbled...
Really though, think about what DD and I are saying regarding a 7' octo: what do you do with all of that coiled hose and still try and stow it within "the triangle" while not having it be a snag hazard? I can't think of any good way to do it.
I don't want to be real picky...but I was more referring to a 5 foot octo with a shorter primary. On myself, I can see putting 5 feet tucked under my right arm and brought up to my right shoulder. 7' would be a different story.
Again, I am really looking forward to the "FUN"dy's class in June. Chad is there any chance I can try out a bp/wing? I don't care if it is rigged for doubles or singles....I can handle just about anything (within reason). Maybe I would just take all of Friday off and we could meet at the quary sometime in the afternoon?
Oh yeah...and routurner...I am going to make everything I have school bus yellow...is that O.K.????
wreckchick
May 23rd, 2003, 06:31 PM
They'll never let me in club..... I've got a green car, a brown dog, my eyes are blue.....
This DIR thing is harder than is looks.
R
detroit diver
May 23rd, 2003, 06:33 PM
Big-t-2538 once bubbled...
I don't want to be real picky...but I was more referring to a 5 foot octo with a shorter primary. On myself, I can see putting 5 feet tucked under my right arm and brought up to my right shoulder. 7' would be a different story.
Again, I am really looking forward to the "FUN"dy's class in June. Chad is there any chance I can try out a bp/wing? I don't care if it is rigged for doubles or singles....I can handle just about anything (within reason). Maybe I would just take all of Friday off and we could meet at the quary sometime in the afternoon?
Oh yeah...and routurner...I am going to make everything I have school bus yellow...is that O.K.????
BigT-
The offer at Gilboa on the 31st is open to you also. I've got more than one single tank setup. And there will be at least 6 sets of bp/wings to try out.
Jack
ckharlan66
May 23rd, 2003, 06:34 PM
Big-t-2538 once bubbled...
Chad is there any chance I can try out a bp/wing? I don't care if it is rigged for doubles or singles....
offered my singles rig to jbd but I don't know if he is going to use it. If not, and if I get my drysuit fixed so I can use my doubles, you are more than welcome to use my singles rig.
Chad
GearHead
May 23rd, 2003, 06:39 PM
Big-t-2538 once bubbled...
I don't want to be real picky...but I was more referring to a 5 foot octo with a shorter primary. On myself, I can see putting 5 feet tucked under my right arm and brought up to my right shoulder. 7' would be a different story.
OK Big-t, if you do get around to rigging a 5 footer that way, please do take a pic and share it so we can all learn from your "experiment". ;)
caymaniac
May 24th, 2003, 07:58 AM
Big T, the five foot idea is exactly what I was thinking as well. I went to one local LDS and asked them to help me confugure it with a five footer on the octo. All I got was "no, you need to dive with a pony". ......I don't want to dive with a pony, I don't want to purchase a pony, I want an octo with a five foot hose. I currently went to another LDS, they are more positive about my thought,since I have a AIRII type set up on my BC, this would be another reg, my thoughts are to somehow coil it and stuff it into my BC pocket. The reason I want this config. is because my wife always runs out of air before I do. When she gets low, I usually share for a while so we can still be down a bit longer, then she switches back to her own reg. for the last part of the dive. It seems like every time she goes up before me ,I find something interesting or some peligic swims by that she misses seeing...it never fails :rolleyes: .
Please keep me posted if you try this config. I'm really interested in the results.
Diving is fun,
Caymaniac
Big-t-2538
May 24th, 2003, 08:04 AM
Ck - Thx...we'll see what happens...
DD - Thx for the offer...Who knows...a few of my friends are talking about heading to Blue Springs next weekend...maybe we'll make it up for the demo instead.
Gear - Who knows...I just ordered a 7 footer yesterday from Northeast Scuba supply...someone I know has a 5 footer I might try to rig up that way....
Maybe I'll just spend my weekends this summer swappin hoses and trying on gear at the apartment. Then walkin around outside to see what kind of looks I get from the neighborhood kids at the pool.
jonnythan
May 24th, 2003, 08:14 AM
roturner once bubbled...
Black black black. It's all got to be black. Even the surgical tubing on the octopus is black. The suit is black, the mask is black, the fins are black, backup lights, scooters, everything. You probably even need to drive to the divesite in a black vehicle....and don't forget those "Matrix" shades, man. :) LOL (I'm amusing myself to no end... LOL)
If you mean which one do you donate in OOA, it's the primary that gets donated. The "octopus" on the necklace is yours.
R..
Damn! M primary is yellow on a long yellow hose and my backup reg is bright blue!
I'm stroke of the month! :(
Big-t-2538
May 24th, 2003, 08:14 AM
caymaniac once bubbled...
I went to one local LDS and asked them to help me confugure it with a five footer on the octo. All I got was "no, you need to dive with a pony".
Get up one morning and go piss in their cheerios, at least it will make you feel better
I have a AIRII type set up on my BC, this would be another reg, my thoughts are to somehow coil it and stuff it into my BC pocket.
Are you saying you want a 5 footer on your AIRII...I would suggest a new octo
The reason I want this config. is because my wife always runs out of air before I do. When she gets low, I usually share for a while so we can still be down a bit longer, then she switches back to her own reg. for the last part of the dive.
I don't want to sound like a dive NAZI here, but STOP doing that right now. It is a terrible practice to be in....you have your air, your wife has hers....when someone reaches a point where you turn a dive, you turn a dive....If something happens and you lose your gas, or your reg begins to freeflow from over working the first stage...you are not going to be happy divers.....BAD BAD BAD....You guys want to match air, have her get a bigger tank, or you get a smaller one....do not share air unless it is an emergency
O.K. I have said my peace...I'll go back to watching my daughter now
caymaniac
May 24th, 2003, 09:24 AM
Big-t-2538 once bubbled...
[B]
I don't want to sound like a dive NAZI here,
O.K. I have said my peace...I'll go back to watching my daughter now
We have not shared air on a regular basis, but there have been times when we chose to, it's usually under the boat, don't get too carried away. Oh please don't be angry with me :grrr:, I promise to be good :fury:, I just share air when I need to :bash:, just a little :mgun:
I like the part about watching your daughter:hula:and
no, not a five footer on my AIR II.
Dive Safe,
Caymaniac
Big-t-2538
May 24th, 2003, 11:26 AM
I am personally a little jaded to that b/c some students we had decided they would play that little game to extend their bottom time.
As I recall they didn't even finish making their statement before the instructor was jumping down their throats.
As for a 5 foot routing, I could see a bolt snap on the wiehgt belt, one coil snapped to the belt and the secodn stage secured to the right shoulder.
G-lock
May 24th, 2003, 12:15 PM
detroit diver once bubbled...
BigT-
The offer at Gilboa on the 31st is open to you also. I've got more than one single tank setup. And there will be at least 6 sets of bp/wings to try out.
Jack
Man I wish I could get to Gilboa next weekend, I've got my son and I don't get my C-card till I get to the Keys the next week. Bummer! Jeff
detroit diver
May 24th, 2003, 04:12 PM
G-lock once bubbled...
Man I wish I could get to Gilboa next weekend, I've got my son and I don't get my C-card till I get to the Keys the next week. Bummer! Jeff
Jeff,
If you're at all interested in the DIR concept, then come on down anyway. You'll see a great presentation even though you can't dive. And you will meet a lot of really nice people.
Braunbehrens
May 24th, 2003, 04:26 PM
Big-t-2538 once bubbled...
I don't want to sound like a dive NAZI here, but STOP doing that right now. It is a terrible practice to be in....you have your air, your wife has hers....when someone reaches a point where you turn a dive, you turn a dive....If something happens and you lose your gas, or your reg begins to freeflow from over working the first stage...you are not going to be happy divers.....BAD BAD BAD....You guys want to match air, have her get a bigger tank, or you get a smaller one....do not share air unless it is an emergency
O.K. I have said my peace...I'll go back to watching my daughter now
Why are you so concerned about this? I'm genuinely curious for your reasons.
I don't see any problem with this practice. We practice OOA situations often, and this is essentially the same thing. If nothing else, it's good practice. Just make sure that the person running low has plenty of gas in their tank to get both divers out. Don't do it if one person is LOW on gas...but it's ok to do if one person is LOWER on gas than the other.
It takes some judgment to figure out when it's ok to do this and when it isn't. If there is plenty of gas left in both tanks at the end, if you can make an ascent at any time, and if there is no deco or point to get back to...then why not?
I wouldn't do it without a long hose though.
G-lock
May 25th, 2003, 11:03 AM
detroit diver once bubbled...
Jeff,
If you're at all interested in the DIR concept, then come on down anyway. You'll see a great presentation even though you can't dive. And you will meet a lot of really nice people.
I've considered that and I may yet do it, the bigger problem is Jr. who will go absolutely ape-nuts if I take him anywhere near water that he can't play in. If he had his way he'd be diving already but it's hell to be 6. Thanx so much for the invite and I may still drop in. Lastly, I need to save my pennies for my trip to the Keys the next week. Jeff
detroit diver
May 25th, 2003, 11:36 AM
G-lock once bubbled...
I've considered that and I may yet do it, the bigger problem is Jr. who will go absolutely ape-nuts if I take him anywhere near water that he can't play in. If he had his way he'd be diving already but it's hell to be 6. Thanx so much for the invite and I may still drop in. Lastly, I need to save my pennies for my trip to the Keys the next week. Jeff
If you can make it, we'd love to have you join us. BTW, there is no charge for this demo.
annie
May 27th, 2003, 08:07 AM
I'm interested in this, i'd like to have a longer octo hose.
>> I could see a bolt snap on the wiehgt belt, one coil snapped to the belt and the secodn stage secured to the right shoulder.
<<
not a good idea to attach something to your weight belt?
Big-t-2538
May 27th, 2003, 08:16 AM
Braunbehrens once bubbled...
Don't do it if one person is LOW on gas...but it's ok to do if one person is LOWER on gas than the other.
When I read the post, that was the impression that was left in my mind...one diver low on gas...thus we now share air until we are both low on gas....
I have no problem doing OOA drills, S-Drills, etc. I just don't think it is a good idea to practice sharing air when one diver is already low on gas.....it would be like going into an overhead environment with like only 1/3rd of your gas supply remaining....I don't see that as smart.
Braunbehrens
May 27th, 2003, 02:57 PM
If one person is low on gas you thumb the dive. Period, end of story, discuss it over pizza.
Braunbehrens
May 27th, 2003, 03:05 PM
annie once bubbled...
I'm interested in this, i'd like to have a longer octo hose.
>> I could see a bolt snap on the wiehgt belt, one coil snapped to the belt and the secodn stage secured to the right shoulder.
<<
not a good idea to attach something to your weight belt?
I think you have to be very careful with some of these convoluted methods, as you could get into *serious* trouble. Putting the backup on a necklace around your neck, and the primary on a long hose is a tried and true method. I have never heard of anyone trying it and not liking it, or having any kind of problem with it.
"stuffing" the long hose, which basically means having a long octo which is then bungied together and stuck to the tank is IMO a very bad way to dive, and unnecessary.
For one thing, when someone is OOA you want to give them the reg that you know works, and that is the one in your mouth. This is probably what they will go for anyway. You will be much less stressed, and can easily go for your own backup, especially if it's hanging around your neck.
Blue Space
May 27th, 2003, 06:07 PM
Braunbehrens once bubbled...
If one person is low on gas you thumb the dive. Period, end of story, discuss it over pizza.
