Anna Maria Island spearfisherman missing

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Coast Guard searching for missing diver (http://www2.tbo.com/content/2009/jul/03/coast-guard-searching-missing-diver/news-breaking/)

The U.S. Coast Guard is searching the Gulf for a diver who disappeared about 18 due miles due west of Anna Maria Island.

The man, who has not been identified, was spear fishing with three friends and was due to return to the boat at 10:45 a.m., according to the Coast Guard. The friends called for help when he failed to show at the agreed-upon time.

The four launched their boat earlier today from the ramp at Fort Desoto Park in Pinellas County.

A Coast Guard said they found the man's dive gear floating, but there has been no sign of the diver.

The search is continuing.

[Missdirected]

About the same story:

Diver missing off Manatee County | 10connects.com | Tampa, St. Petersburg, Clearwater (http://www.wtsp.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=108870&catid=8)

St. Petersburg, Florida - Coast Guard crews from Pinellas and Manatee counties are searching for a missing diver in the Gulf.

A Coast Guard HH-60 Jayhawk rescue helicopter and two other Coast Guard vessels are searching about 18-miles off Anna Maria Island for 31-year-old Darren Rordan, who failed to return to his boat after diving with friends.

Three other divers returned to the boat when their air tanks were nearly empty, but Rordan didn't make it back.

Coast Guard crews say they have found some of the man's diving gear, but no sign of him. He was reported to be wearing a white dive top.

The group of friends left from Fort De Soto earlier today.

Officials say weather conditions for the search area are 2 to 3 foot seas, 5 to 10 knot winds and 10 mile visibility.

[Echoo]

Just heard that a Spearo never came up. Daren Rordam was one of 3 divers that were 18 miles outa Fort Desoto.

[Missdirected]

Do you know him? I looked for updates but haven't found anything...

Also: http://www.scubaboard.com/forums/accidents-incidents/292419-anna-marie-island-spearfisherman-missing.html

[salty_dog_68]

Heard this on the news today also. I can't believe it happened again this year. For the 20 years I have been boating in the Tampa Bay area a diver would be reportd missing about once every other year or so. Now, three divers in four months months. I don't understand. ***! My condolences to the frineds and family of this guy.

[DiveBandit]

The seas were a bit worse than the news article is saying. I tried to go out today from Anclote and turned the boat around near the outer marker as I was seeing rolling white caps further out. I hope they find the guy.

[diversteve]

threads merged...

[Missdirected]

Just checked for an update. They are still searching.... Wonder what "diving gear" they found?

[ScubaBill1955]

Just checked for an update. They are still searching.... Wonder what "diving gear" they found?

I was wondering the same thing.

[Missdirected]

I was wondering the same thing.

SupraSteve posted a similar accounting in the GreaterTampa Area Conditions thread...

http://www.scubaboard.com/forums/4532200-post155.html

"Went today off Anna Maria Island, three dives, one each at 22, 20, and 17 miles. Viz was 20-25 foot at each spot, coldest temp was 82 F on the bottom out 22 miles, mid-80's at the others.

Bad news however, a boat came up to us and said they had lost a diver about 4 hours beforehand. The coast guard had 2 helicopters and a couple boats out there searching for the diver. Apparently they had found some gear but not the diver, I don't know any more than that. Please keep them all in your thoughts and prayers."

I sent him a pm. Maybe when he logs on again he can tell us what was found. Still hoping it wasn't his rig and he is inflated and floating around somewhere waiting to be rescued...

[Fossilbabe]

My condolences as well, any new reports as of yet?

[git-r-dun diver]

I know the people that were on the boat that found his gear. From what I understand he was out spearfishing on a private boat. He went down and never came back up. At last I heard he still had not been found. They found all of his gear including the gun. It was down right on the wreck he was diving. They still weren't sure if he managed to get deep inside the wreck or if the current carried him away. They said the current wasn't that strong though. Thats all the info I have. I feel for his family though.

[carriemak]

Hope they find him soon!

[Missdirected]

I know the people that were on the boat that found his gear. From what I understand he was out spearfishing on a private boat. He went down and never came back up. At last I heard he still had not been found. They found all of his gear including the gun. It was down right on the wreck he was diving. They still weren't sure if he managed to get deep inside the wreck or if the current carried him away. They said the current wasn't that strong though. Thats all the info I have. I feel for his family though.

All of his gear and his gun were on the wreck?

See post 11 on this thread: http://www.scubaboard.com/forums/accidents-incidents/292419-anna-maria-island-spearfisherman-missing.html#post4533621

[Missdirected]

Coast Guard calls off search for Fla. diver - Florida AP - MiamiHerald.com (http://www.miamiherald.com/news/florida/AP/story/1126956.html)

Coast Guard calls off search for Fla. diver
The Associated Press

ST. PETERSBURG, Fla. -- The Coast Guard has ended its search for a diver who went missing in the waters off Anna Maria Island.

The search was called off Saturday afternoon after other divers located the submerged body of 31-year-old Darren Rordam.

On Friday morning, Coast Guard officials in St. Petersburg were told that Rordam, of Tampa, had not surfaced from a dive.

Crews had used a helicopter, a 41-foot utility boat and 87-foot patrol boat to search for Rordam.

[Sh@rkW@tcher]

This type of tragedy seems to happen more often to spearos than other divers probably because most spearos don't buddy/team dive but hunt solo instead. I would be interested in knowing how he became seperated from his gear. Condolences to his family!

[git-r-dun diver]

All of his gear and his gun were on the wreck?

See post 11 on this thread: http://www.scubaboard.com/forums/accidents-incidents/292419-anna-maria-island-spearfisherman-missing.html#post4533621

Thats the way I understand it to have happened. It was speculated that he possibly removed his gear to get into the wreck to chase a fish in a tight spot or that he might have freaked out for some reason and tried to ditch his gear. Both of these are just theories and are not based on anything other than finding his gear seperate from his body. The truth will eventually come out so I don't want anyone to think that I am trying to start some kind of rumor or bad mouth the diver. I am only telling the stories I have been told. I feel for his family and wish them peace in this time.

[Echoo]

Hard to believe even if he did go in after a fish that A. his body was not stuck inside. B. he got far enough away from his air to drown..... wounder how much air was in his tank. One report noted that the :other divers returned to the surface when they were almost out of air" I would rather think he was way to heavy as alot of spearos like to do and ran out of air panicked and dropped everything rather than just pulling the wieghts

Regaurdless it is yet another Diver for what ever reason never returned. It is very sad, and most likely could of been prevented in many ways. I really prey that people that like to push the limits or that don't have allot of experiance are paying attention and do anything they can to prevent more reports such as this. There has been more than enough this year.

[DandyDon]

Wonder what "diving gear" they found?
What spear fishing gear floats?

[Splash-X]

We attempted to leave out of Clearwater Beach on 7/3/2009 at 8:00am but the seas were too rough, maybe 3-4 ft at the last marker in the channel so we turned back.

Hard to say what gear floats, some of the newer light weight spear guns are made of plastic and slightly positivly bouyant as to float if they get loose.


While no details have been released as to what might have happened the first thing that comes to my mind is , as with most spearfishers, he was likely alone hunting and ran OOA. Without any details to support this, its just a guess.

If anyone hears more details please post them.

[Bob]

Hard to believe even if he did go in after a fish that A. his body was not stuck inside. B. he got far enough away from his air to drown..... wounder how much air was in his tank. One report noted that the :other divers returned to the surface when they were almost out of air" I would rather think he was way to heavy as alot of spearos like to do and ran out of air panicked and dropped everything rather than just pulling the wieghts



The press doesn't know how to write about scuba diving accidents. When we return to the boat with 500 psi in our tanks, we are running low on air, but not in a life threatening situation as implied in the article. I have no idea what happened, but it sounds to me like the diver became entangled on the wreck, ditched his gear and didn't make it to the surface. That's pure speculation on my part. I know many divers that spear, and I don't know a single one that would willingly take their gear off and go in a wreck after a fish, doesn't make since to me. Hopefully we can all learn from the accident investigation. In the meantime, my thoughts and prayers go out to friends and family of the deceased. :palmtree: Bob

[DanBMW]

No specific details, but in the St. Petersburg Times this morning, his body has been found. Wonder if they were diving / spear fishing solo or in buddy teams?

[Missdirected]

We attempted to leave out of Clearwater Beach on 7/3/2009 at 8:00am but the seas were too rough, maybe 3-4 ft at the last marker in the channel so we turned back.

Hard to say what gear floats, some of the newer light weight spear guns are made of plastic and slightly positivly bouyant as to float if they get loose.


While no details have been released as to what might have happened the first thing that comes to my mind is , as with most spearfishers, he was likely alone hunting and ran OOA. Without any details to support this, its just a guess.

If anyone hears more details please post them.

See post 11.

[Splash-X]

Missdirected,

I did read through the article posted in #11 prior to posting my comments. All the article says is that the search was called off because other divers had located the body. Was there more that I missed like if he was diving alone, if it was presumed he ran out of air, etc?

[Missdirected]

Missdirected,

I did read through the article posted in #11 prior to posting my comments. All the article says is that the search was called off because other divers had located the body. Was there more that I missed like if he was diving alone, if it was presumed he ran out of air, etc?

No just thought you hadn't seen the report. I haven't heard of anymore details. I was kinda hoping SupraSteve might report back...

[Rick Murchison]

Condolences moved to condolences thread here (http://www.scubaboard.com/forums/The search was called off Saturday afternoon after other divers located the submerged body of 31-year-old Darren Rordam.). This thread is for discussion of the mishap.

[suprasteve]

I just sent MissDirected a PM with the same info, but here it goes for the rest:
The boat the missing diver had been on putted up to us while we were anchored up Friday afternoon. The men in the boat said that the coast guard had found his BC and speargun. I didn't ask at the time whether BC included the tank and regs, which I would assume, or if somehow the BC was separate from them. The other three in the boat were shooting identical metal guns, same size, same length. It's quite possible the missing diver's gun was the same, but I don't know that for sure. I would think most guns sink, but i do not know what was found floating or on the bottom. They did mention he was wearing a white t-shirt, which has already been stated here.

[NJ to FLA]

I'm pretty sure a lot of guns float

[DandyDon]

Got to wonder why he would remove his BC, but I don't guess we're likely to find out? It sounds like he was not wearing any neoprene to aid in floating without it, and in such warm water I can understand that.

Is it common for speargun hunters to dive alone? From the discussion here it sounds like that was the dive plan, and he was indeed - an all too common action in diver deaths.

[Boats]

The speculation for the family, must be the hardest. As said, a horrible thing for all involved. Words such as "condolences" are what must be said, but just don't seem to be enough.

I searched for information, but found little. If something is posted, would someone pass it on to me?

My thanks.

[git-r-dun diver]

The press doesn't know how to write about scuba diving accidents. When we return to the boat with 500 psi in our tanks, we are running low on air, but not in a life threatening situation as implied in the article. I have no idea what happened, but it sounds to me like the diver became entangled on the wreck, ditched his gear and didn't make it to the surface. That's pure speculation on my part. I know many divers that spear, and I don't know a single one that would willingly take their gear off and go in a wreck after a fish, doesn't make since to me. Hopefully we can all learn from the accident investigation. In the meantime, my thoughts and prayers go out to friends and family of the deceased. :palmtree: Bob

I thought it was a pretty odd description as well for the people to say they thought he might have ditched his gear to chase a fish. I was simply relaying what was said to me which was also speculation. From what they told me his gear was not tangled in anything. I believe thats why they speculated about ditching it.
Never the less..... I hope his family can cope with the hard times they are facing. When it is all said and done it really doesn't matter why it happened, just that it happened and now his loved ones have to deal with it.

[Splash-X]

Most captains here in the Gulf around Tampa are pretty relaxed. Spear fishermen are most of their income and to tell them they have to buddy up would cause those divers to just move to another boat/operation.

So, yes, it is common that spear divers enter the water with a buddy but once under they are usually not seen together. Any trip I DM and the captain lets the person dive alone I ALWAYS push for the person to pickup a bottle of Spare Air or use a pony bottle, even as small as 13cuft.

Gas management always takes a backseat ride to "fish limit management". It is easy to forget to monitor your PSI when you're trying to get that last fish... but it has to be done.

[DandyDon]

Most captains here in the Gulf around Tampa are pretty relaxed. Spear fishermen are most of their income and to tell them they have to buddy up would cause those divers to just move to another boat/operation.

So, yes, it is common that spear divers enter the water with a buddy but once under they are usually not seen together. Any trip I DM and the captain lets the person dive alone I ALWAYS push for the person to pickup a bottle of Spare Air or use a pony bottle, even as small as 13cuft.

Gas management always takes a backseat ride to "fish limit management". It is easy to forget to monitor your PSI when you're trying to get that last fish... but it has to be done.
Well, I don't look to a skipper for dive instruction beyond site briefing anyway, but solo diving is such a common aspect to death report threads - but I kinda figured it the usual. Forgetting to monitor air while hunting makes sense too now that you mention it; happened to me once recently; swam out of it okay but certainly felt stupid. I had arrived the night before too late to get my pony filled.

But WTH was his BC off...?

[Splash-X]

I'm just speculating but it seems likely to me that if the diver ran out of air and was in a panic to release his weights (assuming weight integrated BC) and couldn't because they were stuck or something, perhaps he decided to ditch the whole rig thinking it would make him positivly bouyant?

To me, it is unlikely this was a situation of entanglement but given the amount of artifical reefs created with the ruins of old bridges, it is possible that he got snagged on rebar and tried to remove his BC to free himself and it floated to the surface.


Again, these are all just speculations. I don't know the location/bottom conditions of his site.

[David_57]

Well, I don't look to a skipper for dive instruction beyond site briefing anyway, but solo diving is such a common aspect to death report threads - but I kinda figured it the usual. Forgetting to monitor air while hunting makes sense too now that you mention it; happened to me once recently; swam out of it okay but certainly felt stupid. I had arrived the night before too late to get my pony filled.

But WTH was his BC off...?

IMO nothing wrong with Solo diving when you are trained and equipped for it.

[Johnoly]

I'm pretty sure a lot of guns float

All guns are rigged differently. Most on the gulf side freeshaft and subsequently have an extra shaft (or 2) clipped to the side of the gun. Almost all guns are just barely negative with the shaft loaded. Once the shaft is deployed and out of the gun, it can become positive. Although I don't know how D***'s gun was rigged, I did hear it was found loaded and bands stretched, making it negative.

At this point, it really will take looking at his computer to review the log for ascents and see if it holds any clues.

[qrpc]

But WTH was his BC off...?

Speculation of course, but somone with an OOA emergency and no (or little) ditchable weight might shed a BC while trying to swim for the surface. That could be a panic reaction much like spitting out a working regulator because it is percieved to be an obstruction, or it could have been a hasty decions that with no ability to inflate the BC, the diver could make it up faster without the weight and drag.

My guess is that, assuming you were neutral to start with, you would be better off keeping the BC on and getting the added bouyancy the further up you go, but I imagine there may be cases when ditching is the better alternative.

[Missdirected]

**Please note this thread is being merged with one already in the "Accidents & Incidents" forum. Discussion can be continued there.**

[Splash-X]

IMO nothing wrong with Solo diving when you are trained and equipped for it.

I agree, but you have to have the training and the gear. Too many people who attempt it lack both. They figure, 30-40ft of water isn't deep, right? Surley one could hold their breath to the surface?




Speculation of course, but somone with an OOA emergency and no (or little) ditchable weight might shed a BC while trying to swim for the surface. That could be a panic reaction much like spitting out a working regulator because it is percieved to be an obstruction, or it could have been a hasty decions that with no ability to inflate the BC, the diver could make it up faster without the weight and drag.

My guess is that, assuming you were neutral to start with, you would be better off keeping the BC on and getting the added bouyancy the further up you go, but I imagine there may be cases when ditching is the better alternative.

Panic makes you do things you wouldn't consider otherwise. It may have been a last ditch effort to get to the surface that caused the gear seperation.

[mike_s]

What spear fishing gear floats?

Don.

I'm no expert on this, but I've seem people's spear fishing guns float some times and not other times.

I'm not sure if this is related to what make/model it is or what kind of stock it has (wood verses plastic, etc) and buoyancy characteristics

or if it's the fact that every one I've seen floating has been "after the shot" and the shaft is no longer in the gun weighing it down.

the ones' I've seen floating are from free divers that have a reel/leash on it that attaches to the gun and they are retrieving the fish they shot. so it's not that it's "free floating" away.

[Salmonboy97]

Where was the body found? On the bottom? In the wreck? On the surface? I have not seen where this was posted. Any details?

[Jayde323]

Here is what we have been told:

Not too long after the search began, a set of gear, believed to be Darren's, was found floating on the surface, BC fully inflated, no air in the tank. His speargun was found at the bottom. In Saturday, his body was found inside the Finbarge wreck.

My husband and I were talking to a diver and were talking about Darren's death. This diver states he spearfishes on the Fin Barge and he has taken his gear off to chase after a speared fish that went to hide in the wreck. While we DO NOT KNOW if this is what Darren had done, I hope divers who do this deadly practice think twice.

[DandyDon]

Here is what we have been told:

Not too long after the search began, a set of gear, believed to be Darren's, was found floating on the surface, BC fully inflated, no air in the tank. His speargun was found at the bottom. In Saturday, his body was found inside the Finbarge wreck.

My husband and I were talking to a diver and were talking about Darren's death. This diver states he spearfishes on the Fin Barge and he has taken his gear off to chase after a speared fish that went to hide in the wreck. While we DO NOT KNOW if this is what Darren had done, I hope divers who do this deadly practice think twice.
Wow?! Thanks, but that is kinda wild in the details. Penetrating the wreck to retrieve a fish after leaving a deflated BC with air in the tank on a solo dive sounds hazard enough. Got to wonder how the BC got inflated and the tank drained?

[Jayde323]

Got to wonder how the BC got inflated and the tank drained?

We are thinking as the gear floated up, the air that may have been in there expanded causing the BC to be fully inflated. As for the empty tank, if it was not an OOA situation, it may have free-flowed.

Unfortunatly, we may never know the real story.

[Salmonboy97]

Thanks for the details Jayde323

[Missdirected]

Most captains here in the Gulf around Tampa are pretty relaxed. Spear fishermen are most of their income and to tell them they have to buddy up would cause those divers to just move to another boat/operation.

So, yes, it is common that spear divers enter the water with a buddy but once under they are usually not seen together. Any trip I DM and the captain lets the person dive alone I ALWAYS push for the person to pickup a bottle of Spare Air or use a pony bottle, even as small as 13cuft.

Gas management always takes a backseat ride to "fish limit management". It is easy to forget to monitor your PSI when you're trying to get that last fish... but it has to be done.

Respectfully, I have to take exception to the blanket indication that Gulf Captains are overall a "relaxed" group. In other words not safety concious or turning a blind-eye? I find that statement absurb. I dive with some excellent captains in this area. I also dive with captains that do not as a practice allow spearfishing and they are not hurting for business. I can name a couple off the top of my head you can barely get a spot on their boat if ya don't book a month in advance.

Speaking as a spearfisherman I can most assuredly tell you my gas management isn't something I toss in the backseat :shocked2: I dive with many, many different people and when planning our dives GM is not taking a backseat. Pushing someone to take a pony bottle... :huh::no: I don't even consider that "spare air" Seriously. Further, I am in charge of my dive plan. Not the DM. :no: I am qualified to make my own decisions and would not entrust a DM whom I don't even know to tell me how I am going to dive. I'll find another boat.

Lastly, I've not seen posted anywhere this particular diver's qualifications or experience. So stating his practices were "deadly practices" is nothing more than pure speculation. Do we know if he was trained in a closed environment? Tech diver, cave diver, etc. Not so far. Therefore we do not know if he was diving beyond his skill level. If one is trained to penetrate they should be comfortable taking off their gear.

[Splash-X]

I'm not saying the captains are "not safety concious or turning a blind-eye". My response was in regards to a comment about spearfishing down in our area.

I am stating that I think any captain who allows a spearfisher off his boat without a buddy knowing that the diver does not have the gear to solo dive (redundant air supply!) is in fact taking a large risk.

While there are dive charters that don't allow spear fishing (for several reasons), I would hope that you agree that most captains like to keep the spearfishers happy and not give them grief about having a buddy, staying with the buddy, etc. You don't go off and upset a large portion of your customers and stay in business.




Speaking as a spearfisherman I can most assuredly tell you my gas management isn't something I toss in the backseat I dive with many, many different people and when planning our dives GM is not taking a backseat.

And are you to tell me that most of your buddies don't have stories of that "one last fish" where they looked down and sure enough, they have 500PSI or less? All it takes is one time to get caught up and you can be OOA without knowing it. It is't just isolated to spearfishers, hunters, photo takers but in general.



Further, I am in charge of my dive plan. Not the DM. :no: I am qualified to make my own decisions and would not entrust a DM whom I don't even know to tell me how I am going to dive. I'll find another boat.

I never asked you to let a DM make a dive plan. I am, however, advocating that if a hunter is leaving the boat without a buddy or plans to leave their buddy under water, that person carry the needed gear incase something goes wrong.


Lastly, I've not seen posted anywhere this particular diver's qualifications or experience. So stating his practices were "deadly practices" is nothing more than pure speculation. Do we know if he was trained in a closed environment? Tech diver, cave diver, etc. Not so far. Therefore we do not know if he was diving beyond his skill level. If one is trained to penetrate they should be comfortable taking off their gear.

I in no way made the claim that his practices were "deadly practices". You're putting words in my mouth.

My position is that if you are going to dive solo you need both the training and the redundant gear in the event an emergency occures. I'm not against solo diving as I've stated but the people who practice it are all too often not qualified to do so due to lack of gear or training.

[Missdirected]

I in no way made the claim that his practices were "deadly practices". You're putting words in my mouth.


Was stated by another poster.

[LetterBoy]

same ocean dive buddies

[ONESPEED]

Well all I can say is I'm as aware if not more aware of my gas consumption while spearfishing than I am during a non spearing dive. Making blanket statements about spearos being more likely to go OOA doesn't do anyone any good. Truth of the matter is, I see significantly more bad divers without guns than I do with.

Speculation won't solve anything here, I'm sure an intellegent analysis of this tragedy can be done when we have more facts but right now it's far too early and actual facts are far too few to determine a cause. We should be supporting the friends and family of this diver, not pointing fingers.

[LetterBoy]

Well all I can say is I'm as aware if not more aware of my gas consumption while spearfishing than I am during a non spearing dive. Making blanket statements about spearos being more likely to go OOA doesn't do anyone any good. Truth of the matter is, I see significantly more bad divers without guns than I do with.

Speculation won't solve anything here, I'm sure an intellegent analysis of this tragedy can be done when we have more facts but right now it's far too early and actual facts are far too few to determine a cause. We should be supporting the friends and family of this diver, not pointing fingers.

well said, and I mean the thanks I just gave you :D

[Craig Winnerman]

Here is what we have been told:

Not too long after the search began, a set of gear, believed to be Darren's, was found floating on the surface, BC fully inflated, no air in the tank. His speargun was found at the bottom. In Saturday, his body was found inside the Finbarge wreck.

My husband and I were talking to a diver and were talking about Darren's death. This diver states he spearfishes on the Fin Barge and he has taken his gear off to chase after a speared fish that went to hide in the wreck. While we DO NOT KNOW if this is what Darren had done, I hope divers who do this deadly practice think twice.

There was another post that stated his gun was found woth both bands loaded. He would not be entering the wrech to free a fish he shot, if his gun was still loaded. This could not be true if he was free shafting and the 2nd shaft was loaded and the 1st shaft was missing. Still need more info on free shafting and number of shafts he had or was he line shafting.

Yes his bc could have been almost empty, but fully inflated on the surface. What did you learn to get your PADI C-card? Remember Boyle's law.

As far as guns floating or sinking is very dependent upon material. Mine is mahogany, it floats without a shaft and sinks with a shaft. A lot of teak guns sink without a shaft.

After reading some of these post, now I know why I like solo diving, one less idiot to worry about spoiling my dive and having to take care of them.

[Splash-X]

Craig,

I saw your posts on another forum for spearfishing I think. I Googled the incident and came across your posts.

There was another post that stated his gun was found woth both bands loaded. He would not be entering the wrech to free a fish he shot, if his gun was still loaded. This could not be true if he was free shafting and the 2nd shaft was loaded and the 1st shaft was missing. Still need more info on free shafting and number of shafts he had or was he line shafting.

True, more information needs to be had before the real story comes out. It is all speculation with little fact right now but it is my opinion that speculation is what drives the accidents and incidents section. The majority of our accidents don't have enough information to make a final conclusion but if we make well education guesses based on the facts we have we can all learn to be safer divers.

I'm not saying everyone should come up with a different theory but the analysis of an accident includes a review of the factors that COULD have led to the incident. It is this review that helps us understand how to be safer, be it solo diving or buddy diving.



After reading some of these post, now I know why I like solo diving, one less idiot to worry about spoiling my dive and having to take care of them.

Any paticular comments that fueled your anger or just upset in general? I'm trying to understand what caused you to take this stance, was it something I posted? Everyone is entitled to their opinion about... everything. If it was something I posted to upset you I would like to know.

[LetterBoy]

Any paticular comments that fueled your anger or just upset in general? I'm trying to understand what caused you to take this stance, was it something I posted? Everyone is entitled to their opinion about... everything. If it was something I posted to upset you I would like to know.

If I can, I think it is in oart because of some of the stupi dideas that come out of threads like this.




And no I am not going to "dime" anyone out because that would be considered harassment or cyber bullying.

[Craig Winnerman]

Splash-X...nothing against you or anyone in particular. It just amazes me to read some of the comments from "certified divers". I only have a NAUI open water certification which was in 1980. Just recently I did obtain Nitrox to get tanks filled. I rely on wits, my brain, reading and experience as well as what I have learned from other divers to be a safe diver. I have had mishaps myself and have learned from each and everyone. In diving, you not only need to know the physics of diving, but you also need to know yourself. There are no guarantees on anything in life including diving. Things happen.

What upsets me is the comments of "certified divers" who do not even understand the basics. The other thing i would like to see on this forum is the final report or outcome of situations like this so we do know the real cause. Autopsies take months to be finalized and by then the story is forgotten and no follow up report.

[Bottomfeeder Brodie]

I know this is old news....here are the facts:

His gear was found floating in the Gulf By Blue Water Explorers of Cortez, FL by Capt Bob Eskew. Assisting in the search, his crew found the spear gun on top of the wreck indicting he entered the overturned wreck through the loading ramp. His gear was found floating with tank empty, possibly due to free flow. Coasties found the body inside the wreck at 11:30am Sunday...I was there. http://www.cdnn.info is a great place for dive news. Read the article about this mishap. I was the interview
Film@11

[DocIndyDiver]

Hate to say it, but the final report will state the cause of death will be drowning...not a very enlightening diagnoses for us inquisitive divers.

[DandyDon]

Hate to say it, but the final report will state the cause of death will be drowning...not a very enlightening diagnoses for us inquisitive divers.
The DAN Annual Accident report should have a more detailed discussion if details are made available to DAN. That publication won't be available for almost two years, but each year's report is enlightening. Free download to DAN members.

[LetterBoy]

:snicker: he said cdnn is a good source for dive accident info...

The onion news is a good place to find info about the latest world news as well...
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[mike_s]

. [B]Scuba Diving News :: CDNN - Cyber Diver News Network (http://www.cdnn.info) is a great place for dive news.


not sure if you're just new to diving or what......

but CDNN is the "National Enquirer" of the Scuba Industry. They are known for their plagiarized stories, lies printed and overall general "crap".

see CDNN Cyber Diver News Network Exposed (http://www.divepoll.com/)



Do a search here for CDNN. 99% percent of the posts I bet will be negative towards them for something they've lied about.

[NetDoc]

Scuba Diving News :: CDNN - Cyber Diver News Network (http://www.cdnn.info) is a great place for dive news. You were credible up until this comment. They are by far the most reprehensible and irresponsible source for "news" I have ever read.

Unfortunately for all of us, we will never know what was in the diver's mind when he ditched his gear on the deck. We only know that the final outcome was his regrettable demise.

Too often, divers make a series of horrible decisions and yet somehow survive the incidents. Somehow, these experiences never seem to educate them into becoming safe divers. Familiarity with multiple close calls often breeds a certain contempt for them that is seen by many as a cowboy or cavalier attitude towards safety.

[Missdirected]

I know this is old news....here are the facts:

His gear was found floating in the Gulf By Blue Water Explorers of Cortez, FL by Capt Bob Eskew. Assisting in the search, his crew found the spear gun on top of the wreck indicting he entered the overturned wreck through the loading ramp. His gear was found floating with tank empty, possibly due to free flow. Coasties found the body inside the wreck at 11:30am Sunday...I was there. Scuba Diving News :: CDNN - Cyber Diver News Network (http://www.cdnn.info) is a great place for dive news. Read the article about this mishap. I was the interview
Film@11

BB - you're not going to find many an experienced diver to take CDNN seriously. You'll be hardpressed to say the least - as a couple of posters before ,e intimated. If you were there, please let us know why you were on a recovery mission... Also it would be most appreciated if you could give a detailed account as YOU saw it. Kind of "just the facts" :) Thanks. -MD

Very curious why this rig was "floating" but empty...

[DandyDon]

thanks removed after that outburst today that got deleted. some people don't do well on discussions.

[Bottomfeeder Brodie]

BTW....i'll be at Spanish Rocks all day if further discussion is required. Dive flag stuck in the sand.