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View Full Version : Diving Budy a Rule or Law
Scubapest June 11th, 2003, 08:46 PM I am planning a few trips to the north and need to know if Canada requires a budy for diving and if there are any other special regulations that I should be aware of? I live just over the border in Central NY. I'd like to try the Conestoga to start. Thanks!!;) Butch103 June 11th, 2003, 09:04 PM Just a dam fine idea...especially if you are new to the area..... Besides lots of buddies up here to dive with...show the "lowlights:...:D cobaltbabe June 11th, 2003, 09:29 PM Always good to dive with a partner. Never know when you will get hung up on something. Dive safe!!!! Walter June 11th, 2003, 09:48 PM Actually, it is a law in some areas. Most places, it is not, but there are exceptions. Bubble Boy June 12th, 2003, 12:56 AM Scubapest once bubbled... I am planning a few trips to the north and need to know if Canada requires a budy for diving and if there are any other special regulations that I should be aware of? I live just over the border in Central NY. I'd like to try the Conestoga to start. Thanks!!;) Check your cylinders before bringing them with you. If they were manufactured after Jan 1st 1993 they must be stamped with a "TC" and also have stamped the service pressure in bar. I won't touch the subject of solo-diving but I would like to suggest that if you know when you are coming you post it and I am sure someone on the board would more than likely meet up with you to show you the wrecks. Sometimes there are goodies to see that the locals should show you otherwise you might miss them. Doppler June 12th, 2003, 05:23 AM Bubble Boy once bubbled... Check your cylinders before bringing them with you. If they were manufactured after Jan 1st 1993 they must be stamped with a "TC" and also have stamped the service pressure in bar. The regulations concerning the stamping of tanks for use in Canada are not applied to USA citizens diving in the "vacation" belt. Don't worry about it. I reguarly dive both sides of the boarder with US and Canadian divers and this has never been an issue... now a Canadian with US tanks trying to get a fill or a hydro is an issue... but that's another story. Diving with a buddy... I think most charter operators will expect you to dive with at least one! There's no law in Ontario on the subject. DivingGal June 12th, 2003, 06:07 AM As Doppler says, there is no law here about diving with a buddy. But it's always a good idea -- particularly if you don't know the site. As for the Connie (as she's affectionaly known) -- give a shout here when you plan to go, and I'm sure some of the gang up this way will meet you for the dive. You can always do a "two wreck" day -- and dive the Connie and the Rothesay. They're both shore dives, around a 20 minute drive apart. Scubapest June 12th, 2003, 08:56 AM Hands down to my friends in Canada! Your replies and information is greatly appreciated - but your warm welcome to team up with a Canadian buddy goes way beyond what was expected!! You're the best!:) Bubble Boy June 12th, 2003, 11:57 AM Doppler once bubbled... The regulations concerning the stamping of tanks for use in Canada are not applied to USA citizens diving in the "vacation" belt. Don't worry about it. The fact that many dive shop operators in the "vacation belt" might not follow the regulations does not make it right. The exemption for cylinders "leaving the country" was intended for vessels that had medical cylinders on board that may require recharging. Play it safe and check the markings before travelling--just in case you get someone who does not want to take a chance and breaking the law. Some people still sell these cylinders in Canada....its amazing. seahunter June 12th, 2003, 07:57 PM Jeez bubble! Give the guy a break! He won't even be able to find the pressure in bars on his tank. At one time BAR appeared but now just the number (207, 184, etc) is stamped with no indication that it's the pressure rating. You can be technically correct but practically a "pain in the ass". No diver or retailer in the scuba business in North America has any influence over the manufacture or the stamping of scuba cylinders. You are right that tanks made since 1993 have TC and the pressure in BAR but that's not the divers choice. He probably has no idea what that's all about. Most store owners don't either. They just buy the tanks and then sell them to the divers. Whatever is current that year is what goes around the system. Tanks that are older than 1993 are still perfectly fine to use (assuming of course they're in test). So what was the point of adding one more unnecessary anxiety item to scubapest's list? divebuddydale June 12th, 2003, 08:34 PM Hey .. yeah put a post here, and If I am free I will hook up with you to dive the Connie (or even the Galop Canal to Connie Drift Dive). As for diving solo, I have been tempted in the past (especially when it comes to diving an area I know so well), but have always succumbed to my better judgement (The little angel on my shoulder as opposed to the devil dale on the other). I think divers tend to get cocky when it comes to diving thinking they can handle anything. I would rather take a buddy along and not need him, than not to take one along and need him. Dale Bubble Boy June 13th, 2003, 08:33 AM seahunter once bubbled... Jeez bubble! Give the guy a break! He won't even be able to find the pressure in bars on his tank. At one time BAR appeared but now just the number (207, 184, etc) is stamped with no indication that it's the pressure rating. You can be technically correct but practically a "pain in the ass". No diver or retailer in the scuba business in North America has any influence over the manufacture or the stamping of scuba cylinders. You are right that tanks made since 1993 have TC and the pressure in BAR but that's not the divers choice. He probably has no idea what that's all about. Most store owners don't either. They just buy the tanks and then sell them to the divers. Whatever is current that year is what goes around the system. Tanks that are older than 1993 are still perfectly fine to use (assuming of course they're in test). So what was the point of adding one more unnecessary anxiety item to scubapest's list? Come on Sea Hunter, you can bait me better than that. If you want I can come in and explain tank markings to your staff. LOL :D requirements for markings CSA B-339 & 340, TDG Scubapest June 14th, 2003, 09:34 PM Well folks, thanks again for all the help & tips. Hope to be there early Sunday afternoon for a little wet fun. Maybe I'll see you there!:) seahunter June 15th, 2003, 10:46 PM Maybe I'll invite you in for our monthly Pro Night where we have an expert in some field of scuba give us a chat and then submit to a Q&A session. Do you think you qualify? Are you really up to a question and answer session with the S2K staff who are as persnickety as myself? My point was that the poor guy bought a good scuba tank at some dive store in North America. He's likely been keeping it hydroed and visualled (every 6 months if he's from Florida) and you're creating the impression that he has to do something special to use it in Canada?!! Every tank you have came from his country!!!! Scubapest June 16th, 2003, 07:52 AM Not to worry anymore about the tanks! Didn't mean to start a feud, in Canada, among friends. The dive is behind me now and no one stopped me along the way to check anything. Not even customs - going in or going out. Great place and a great day. Thanks again. BTY, I was planning on the Rothesay next, but someone told me it's not worth the swim. Anyone else have a thought on this? Doppler June 16th, 2003, 07:55 AM Bubble Boy once bubbled... Come on Sea Hunter, you can bait me better than that. If you want I can come in and explain tank markings to your staff. LOL :D requirements for markings CSA B-339 & 340, TDG BubbleBoy... if I come to your shop, can I be assured that all your gauges are metric? I guess what I mean is, do you conform to the letter of the law... sorry, regulations. Using metric measurements, simplifies the math, makes sense and conforms to Canada's stated standard of measurement;however, I have yet to find a scuba store in Ontario, BC, Quebec, Nova Scotia, or New Brunswich -- the only provinces in which I've dove -- that can deliver my fills to me in bar... seems most Canadians think that BAR stands for British American Racing... an organization that fields a pretty poor Formula One Team. Just my two cents NetDoc June 16th, 2003, 08:14 AM when the water temps hit 72 (22C for you Nucks) or warmer! GTADiver June 16th, 2003, 12:31 PM Scubapest once bubbled... Not to worry anymore about the tanks! Didn't mean to start a feud, in Canada, among friends. The dive is behind me now and no one stopped me along the way to check anything. Not even customs - going in or going out. Great place and a great day. Thanks again. BTY, I was planning on the Rothesay next, but someone told me it's not worth the swim. Anyone else have a thought on this? If you liked the Connie you will enjoy the Rothesay more. Lots of pike on the wreck, a go hut on shore, with a changing area. taz22 June 16th, 2003, 05:13 PM Scubapest once bubbled... Not to worry anymore about the tanks! Didn't mean to start a feud, in Canada, among friends. The dive is behind me now and no one stopped me along the way to check anything. Not even customs - going in or going out. Great place and a great day. Thanks again. BTY, I was planning on the Rothesay next, but someone told me it's not worth the swim. Anyone else have a thought on this? If you can share a few bucks $40.00 USD)....a charter doing the Lillie and Gaskin would probably be your next best bet. DivingGal June 23rd, 2003, 08:06 AM NetDoc once bubbled... when the water temps hit 72 (22C for you Nucks) or warmer! gee doc, it might be awhile then.... I'm sure we'd all find a way of keeping you warm :D Charlie99 June 23rd, 2003, 10:44 AM Doppler once bubbled... Using metric measurements, simplifies the math, makes sense and conforms to Canada's stated standard of measurement;however, I have yet to find a scuba store in Ontario, BC, Quebec, Nova Scotia, or New Brunswich -- the only provinces in which I've dove -- that can deliver my fills to me in bar... seems most Canadians think that BAR stands for British American Racing... an organization that fields a pretty poor Formula One Team. Once you find one that uses bars, then try to find one that uses the metric measure, Pascals. You'd truly get some strange looks asking for a 20 megaPascal fill. =-) SneakyB'tard June 23rd, 2003, 01:04 PM Metric use in Canada A moratorium on the enforcement of the weights and measures act was declared in 1983 by the then Minister of Consumer and Corporate Affairs. Since then, the policy has been to let the marketplace set the pace of conversion rather than force its use by regulation. In March 1985 the Metric Commision of Canada was disbanded and replaced by a small Metric Information Division in the department of Industry Canada. This office was disbanded in April 1988. GTADiver June 24th, 2003, 10:22 AM SneakyB'tard once bubbled... Metric use in Canada A moratorium on the enforcement of the weights and measures act was declared in 1983 by the then Minister of Consumer and Corporate Affairs. Since then, the policy has been to let the marketplace set the pace of conversion rather than force its use by regulation. In March 1985 the Metric Commision of Canada was disbanded and replaced by a small Metric Information Division in the department of Industry Canada. This office was disbanded in April 1988. All to make sure that we the Consumers could not figure out that gas was going to go over a dollar/gallon. Doppler June 24th, 2003, 10:36 AM Charlie99 once bubbled... Once you find one that uses bars, then try to find one that uses the metric measure, Pascals. You'd truly get some strange looks asking for a 20 megaPascal fill. =-) well put... and you'd get equally blank looks asking how many SLUGS a scuba cylinder has in a country using the imperial system... like the US! or Canada -- :eek: Charlie99 June 24th, 2003, 12:02 PM Doppler once bubbled... well put... and you'd get equally blank looks asking how many SLUGS a scuba cylinder has in a country using the imperial system... like the US! or Canada -- :eek: [Geekmode on] Mine holds about 185 millislugs, and that doesn't change with temp <g>. The real confusion on tank sizes is that metric world uses internal volume to describe tanks, while imperial world uses the 1ata free gas volume contained at rated pressure. Bars are kind of like Angstroms --- popular, and a power of 10 of the true SI unit, but not true SI. [/GeekOff] Doppler June 24th, 2003, 12:15 PM Charlie99 once bubbled... [Geekmode on] Mine holds about 185 millislugs, and that doesn't change with temp <g>. The real confusion on tank sizes is that metric world uses internal volume to describe tanks, while imperial world uses the 1ata free gas volume contained at rated pressure. Bars are kind of like Angstroms --- popular, and a power of 10 of the true SI unit, but not true SI. [/GeekOff] Teheehee! No, true geek mode would be how many moles of gas the cylinder is capable of holding.... and I think we've hijacked the thread. SORRY
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