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ScubaBrett22
September 23rd, 2009, 02:15 PM
I was wondering can you dive Pearl Harbor?? or any of the sunken ships it just seems way cooler to look at the wreck from below then above??? I know its a historical site and all but it would be cool to swim around it and get a good look at it if anyone knows please comment!!! :D :D :cool2:

I am also not trying to disrespect anyone who served on the ship it self or was in Pearl Harbor when the Japanese attacked i just am 15 and would love to know i just find ships like that fascinating =)

DennisS
September 23rd, 2009, 02:26 PM
They won't let you dive the Arizona and the rest of the harbor is pretty much an active navy base with all the security that goes with it.

ScubaBrett22
September 23rd, 2009, 02:27 PM
The Arizona is where the monument building is correct and are you allowed to dive the other wreck the USS UTAH ? I was looking at it in google earth.

Cave Diver
September 23rd, 2009, 02:28 PM
http://www.scubaboard.com/forums/hawaii-ohana/77291-pearl-harbor.html

vinegarbiscuit
September 23rd, 2009, 05:50 PM
USS Arizona et.al. is off-limits to anyone except designated official research and monitoring divers. Even if recreational divers were permitted on the wreck, it doesn't sound like it would be an easy dive: I understand that visibility is extremely limited. This is caused by wave action that stirs up the sediment covering the wreck and the harbor's sea-bed, as well as the oil still leaking from the ship. Plus, PH is still an active military base (another reason that diving the Arizona [I]would guarantee you a one-way ticket to Gitmo), and I can't imagine that the ships churning through the water help the viz much, either. Not that limited viz would stop a lot of folk, of course! A woman who was allowed to accompany research divers on the [I]Arizona wrote an account of her experiences and posted pics . You can read it here: Bubbagirl.com - On The USS Arizona--What A Thrill! (http://www.bubbagirl.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=18&Itemid=37)

ScubaBrett22
September 23rd, 2009, 09:45 PM
AWW Shucks i have a lot of respect for what they did i just wish the would allow divers on there to go around it once every few years and allow the area to be in a no boat zone and u would pay a good price to go i would pay anything to go see the ship the USS Arizona....

ScubaBrett22
September 23rd, 2009, 09:53 PM
well u know what i mean i would do anything to dive there or even to see the ship under
water and sit in the sand and just look at it to see what happend and to kinda feel what happend...... me and my emotions
i am extremley sensitive to peoples fealings i cant hurt some ones fealing with out crying

Cave Diver
September 23rd, 2009, 09:56 PM
i would pay anything to go see the ship the USS Arizona....

You could probably dive it, but I bet you'll have some armed guys waiting for you when you surface. If they let you surface...

DiveMaven
September 23rd, 2009, 10:23 PM
Keep in mind that these ships are GRAVE SITES. Especially the USS Arizona where survivors who die later can have their ashes dropped into the ship. I don't think any ship designated as a "grave site" is open to recreational divers, which is respectful and right IMO.

If you want to dive some really cool WWII wrecks, go to Truk Lagoon (Chuuk) and dive the ships there. There's also Scapa Flow near Britain for German wrecks, and in Guam you can dive a WWI German ship and a WWII Japanese ship and actually touch them both at the same time. There are also U-boats that are diveable off the east coast of the United States. Unfortunately you can no longer go to Bikini Atoll and dive the atomic fleet.

ScubaBrett22
September 23rd, 2009, 10:30 PM
Keep in mind that these ships are GRAVE SITES. Especially the USS Arizona where survivors who die later can have their ashes dropped into the ship. I don't think any ship designated as a "grave site" is open to recreational divers, which is respectful and right IMO.

If you want to dive some really cool WWII wrecks, go to Truk Lagoon (Chuuk) and dive the ships there. There's also Scapa Flow near Britain for German wrecks, and in Guam you can dive a WWI German ship and a WWII Japanese ship and actually touch them both at the same time. There are also U-boats that are diveable off the east coast of the United States. Unfortunately you can no longer go to Bikini Atoll and dive the atomic fleet.

Are there any wrecks in Germany ?????????????????????? If anyone knows tell me i have a cousin that wants me to go to Germany and i haven't felt the urge but now i kinda do. :D:D:D:D:D:rofl3:

gndpdr
September 23rd, 2009, 10:34 PM
i belive that 'ediving' is working on a simulator site for the arizona

imwright1985
September 23rd, 2009, 10:59 PM
YouTube - Pearl Harbor-Arizona Dive (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqSVRaI9S24)

vinegarbiscuit
September 23rd, 2009, 11:03 PM
Are there any wrecks in Germany ?????????????????????? If anyone knows tell me i have a cousin that wants me to go to Germany and i haven't felt the urge but now i kinda do. :D:D:D:D:D:rofl3:

I'm not sure whether Germany's rather brief coastline has WWII wrecks - I can't imagine the conditions would be hugely pleasant, even so! The Baltic and North Seas can be unforgiving, although there are dedicated divers who call those cold waters 'home'. Plus, any wrecks off the German coast would probably also be considered by various European governments (depending on the ship's origins) as war graves, and therefore off-limits to recreational divers. I've heard wreck divers get into some pretty heated debates about the ban on diving wrecked US warships like the Arizona while they're allowed to dive wrecked Japanese and German warships. Some see no inconsistency, while others get quite peeved about it, and argue that one rule should exist for all: entombed sailors are all fallen soldiers in battle, no matter where they're from and deserve the same respect. Should there be be a uniform standard, either where suitably certified divers have access to all warships or conversely, none at all? Somehow, I don't think an answer will be forthcoming in the near future...

ScubaBrett22
September 23rd, 2009, 11:20 PM
YouTube - Pearl Harbor-Arizona Dive (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqSVRaI9S24)

Just ****ing amazing i loved it it brought tears to my eyes it was so AMAZING i am so jealous ugh luck duck

imwright1985
September 23rd, 2009, 11:22 PM
Just become an oober famous film maker and you can do whatever you want

Thalassamania
September 23rd, 2009, 11:53 PM
Bikini is allowing certain types of vessels to visit Bikini Atoll and dive on the wrecks provided definitive prior arrangements are made with Bikini Atoll Divers.

These vessels or yachts must be completely self-contained, and must include:


adequate international communications equipment
housing, dining facilities, and supplies (all food, water, medical equipment, etc)
all equipment needed to fill tanks and take care of divers, including any nitrox, oxygen or specialized medical equipment
preferably have a helicopter for medical evacuation purposes

During such visits our local government will send along a diver and up to two Local Government Council representatives--at the vessel owner's expense--to make sure that no artifacts are removed from the ships.
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My understanding is that there is no one there and that if you have a world ranging ship they'd be hard pressed to even know that you're there, not to mention diving.

scottitheduck
September 24th, 2009, 12:53 AM
Another good place for WW2 wrecks is Coron in the Philippines....... we had a great time there in March. Check it out!

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Black_3000psi
September 24th, 2009, 06:38 AM
im sure you dont mean any disrespect. i too have often wondered would it would be like to just drop down into the sand and just look at it.i have lived here since 98 and have never been to the memorial. just have no desire to see it like that. but to be in the water that would be something.

ScubaBrett22
September 24th, 2009, 09:43 AM
im sure you dont mean any disrespect. i too have often wondered would it would be like to just drop down into the sand and just look at it.i have lived here since 98 and have never been to the memorial. just have no desire to see it like that. but to be in the water that would be something.

Agree it would be something just to get all the boats to stop and let all the silt go away and just sit there and look at it. It would be the most amazing feeling in the world. Just to be feet away from something huge that happen in our Military's History or even are History in general.

vinegarbiscuit
September 24th, 2009, 04:40 PM
Bikini is allowing certain types of vessels to visit Bikini Atoll and dive on the wrecks provided definitive prior arrangements are made with Bikini Atoll Divers.

These vessels or yachts must be completely self-contained, and must include:


adequate international communications equipment
housing, dining facilities, and supplies (all food, water, medical equipment, etc)
all equipment needed to fill tanks and take care of divers, including any nitrox, oxygen or specialized medical equipment
preferably have a helicopter for medical evacuation purposes

During such visits our local government will send along a diver and up to two Local Government Council representatives--at the vessel owner's expense--to make sure that no artifacts are removed from the ships.
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My understanding is that there is no one there and that if you have a world ranging ship they'd be hard pressed to even know that you're there, not to mention diving.

This is WAY off topic, but too good a story to resist...an acquaintence of mine dreamed of diving Bikini's wrecks, and finally managed to put together an week-long expedition there. All the necessary arrangements were put in place, and as Thalassamania said, they are extensive (and expensive). Owing to the atoll's isolation, very strict rules were in place on this expedition: at the first twinge of any pain or the slightest evidence of DCS symptoms, divers were demanded to forego the the rest of their dives. The hassle, expense (and chances of survival for a badly-stricken DCS diver) of an evacuation are just too great, so caution is the byword here.

Unfortunately for our hero, he started experiencing blurred vision and pain in his arms and back after only the first day's dives. That was enough for his team-mates, and he was ordered to reamin dry for the rest of the trip. Hanging his head and bemoaning his fate, he reached up to rub a his eye (a self-pitying tear, perhaps?!), and you can imagine his amazement - and horror - when both his contact lenses fell out of that one eye. I guess that explained his blurry vision! As for his tingling arm...turns out he was used to having his wife hump all his gear when diving at home (don't ask!), and since she didn't come on the trip with them, he strained a muscle when trying to move it on his own. It wasn't enough of an explaination to satisfy his expedition mates, though, and he was forced to sit out the rest of the dives. Poor sod. I mean, there's caution and then there's just plain ball-busting!

sharky60
September 24th, 2009, 05:28 PM
As far as I know, only U.S. Parks Dept. and U.S. Navy divers are allowed to dive Pearl, and then only for training or doing work.

When I was in the Navy there were "Do Not Swim-Hammerhead breeding area" signs posted all around Pearl. Now I'm all for diving with sharks, but large hammers in murky water is not my idea of good dive conditions.

I took the Navy hardhat diver test and they had us do the swim part of the trial in a pool, that might tell you something.

Some testament to that fact is, just a couple of years ago, I'm pretty sure it was here on the Scubaboard, someone posted some pics of a baby hammerhead they found at the North end of Waikiki, the closest end to Pearl Harbor. They had actually picked it up out of the water and were holding it.

The Arizona is still leaking fuel, even after all these years, and there is still LOTS of debis around the ship, in very murky water. So it is quite an unsafe dive for recreational divers. That is why it is a national memorial, the hazardous fuel conditions have made it nearly impossible to reclaim the remains of the men lost when the ship went down.

John Chatterton, of Shadow Divers fame, recently posted on his Facebook, some pics of him diving on the Arizona with the US Parks and US Navy divers for an up comming PBS show about possible submarine attacks during the attack on Pearl.

ScubaBrett22
September 25th, 2009, 11:02 AM
As far as I know, only U.S. Parks Dept. and U.S. Navy divers are allowed to dive Pearl, and then only for training or doing work.

When I was in the Navy there were "Do Not Swim-Hammerhead breeding area" signs posted all around Pearl. Now I'm all for diving with sharks, but large hammers in murky water is not my idea of good dive conditions.

I took the Navy hardhat diver test and they had us do the swim part of the trial in a pool, that might tell you something.

Some testament to that fact is, just a couple of years ago, I'm pretty sure it was here on the Scubaboard, someone posted some pics of a baby hammerhead they found at the North end of Waikiki, the closest end to Pearl Harbor. They had actually picked it up out of the water and were holding it.

The Arizona is still leaking fuel, even after all these years, and there is still LOTS of debis around the ship, in very murky water. So it is quite an unsafe dive for recreational divers. That is why it is a national memorial, the hazardous fuel conditions have made it nearly impossible to reclaim the remains of the men lost when the ship went down.

John Chatterton, of Shadow Divers fame, recently posted on his Facebook, some pics of him diving on the Arizona with the US Parks and US Navy divers for an up comming PBS show about possible submarine attacks during the attack on Pearl.

Oh how do you become a U.S. Navy Diver ?? My uncle is ignoring my questions about that

Cave Diver
September 25th, 2009, 11:05 AM
Oh how do you become a U.S. Navy Diver ?? My uncle is ignoring my questions about that

First you have to join the Navy...

Talk to a recruiter. :D

ScubaBrett22
September 25th, 2009, 11:14 AM
Eh seems like a lot of work. I think i might just stay with joining the USCG Divers. To me its a easy and cool job that still allows me to be in the USCG but allows me to take everything in a chill type of way.

DiveWestOahu
September 25th, 2009, 02:12 PM
i've dove it,,, you wouldn't like it unless you like 1 foot vis and come out covered with oil, and as many others have stated, it would be disrespectful to do a "fun dive" there, kinda like having a bbq party at the graveyard

ScubaBrett22
September 25th, 2009, 03:04 PM
i've dove it,,, you wouldn't like it unless you like 1 foot vis and come out covered with oil, and as many others have stated, it would be disrespectful to do a "fun dive" there, kinda like having a bbq party at the graveyard

YOU DOVE IT!!! No way i am so jealous. I honestly don't care about the visibility i just would like to be up close with history with out being held behind a glass box and i don't mind the oil its the price you pay for diving there LoL but all in all i want to dive it. How did you dive it DiveWestOahu where you a Navy Diver or did you get all the permits?? Please do tell...

gunslinger808
September 26th, 2009, 06:50 AM
Coron in the Palawan islands of the Philippines have sunken WW II wrecks. Quite a few from what I have read. There are video on you tube, do a search on Coron.

DiveWestOahu
September 26th, 2009, 11:16 PM
you have to be invited by the park rangers

covediver
September 27th, 2009, 02:09 AM
A friend that I taught to dive many years ago works for NPS as a marine archaeologist and has dived the Arizona on monitoring and other activities from time to time. He doesn't talk much about it, but when he does it is with a great reverence for the activity. I was at the Memorial a few years ago while on a dive trip to Hawaii. It is something to behold.

Black_3000psi
September 29th, 2009, 11:34 PM
well good luck with that navy dive thing. if you have ever been envolved in the certification of a navy diver you know they do things abit different in the navy. they dont seem to have any problems crossing over to recreational diving but im wondering if a recreational diver might find the navy way a bit....um...different. one thing is for sure, they produce some solid divers.

Lopaka
September 30th, 2009, 01:12 AM
i've dove it,,, you wouldn't like it unless you like 1 foot vis and come out covered with oil, and as many others have stated, it would be disrespectful to do a "fun dive" there, kinda like having a bbq party at the graveyard


YOU DOVE IT!!! No way i am so jealous.

Cracckkk.... the sound of a round flying right over your head.......................

Kid, you need to read more carefully what people are trying to tell you: this is a sacred graveyard, not a recreational dive site!

Get it?

ScubaBrett22
September 30th, 2009, 10:12 AM
Cracckkk.... the sound of a round flying right over your head.......................

Kid, you need to read more carefully what people are trying to tell you: this is a sacred graveyard, not a recreational dive site!

Get it?

I understand that Gezz Chill out buddy i know this isn't a recreational dive site.

sharky60
September 30th, 2009, 11:38 AM
Oh how do you become a U.S. Navy Diver ?? My uncle is ignoring my questions about that

I just applied for it after I was already in the service. Then went into Pearl from Midway to take the entry test...swim 300M. maybe for time I can't remember; 30 push-ups and 30 sit ups in 60 sec. each; run a mile in boots in less than 8 min.; and do 6 pull-ups, no time limit (thank God!)...that was the physical test back in 1981.

Then we they put us in the deco-bell and took us to 130' to see if anyone would panic under such conditions. I'm pretty sure that was the full test, there might have been some written part of the exam, but I can't remember for sure.

If you are not already in, talk to a recruiter about it, there may be a waiting list, there usually is for the cool jobs like SeaBees and EOD (explosives) and divers. Don't let them talk you into something else, if that is what you want to do. They can sometimes try that stuff.

Here's the low down, and I'm not trying to scare you or talk you out of it, just trying to pass on the facts.

Navy diver's work is working under poor, nasty and dangerous conditions most of the time...this isn't pleasure diving in any shape or form. But you will be one of the military's elite, that's something special in it's self.

Allmost all Navy divers are "Hull Techs" or underwater welders. You will have to go to Hull Tech school for at least a year and learn to weld. Then to Navy dive school for another year to a year and a half and then I think back to Hull Tech school for at least 6 months to learn to weld underwater...it's quite a commitment.

After all that schooling the Navy will want at least a 6-8 year commitment out of you to "pay back" all that schooling.

It's pretty much a career job, that's the thing that led me to not take it. I didn't want to make the Navy my career.

Best wishes...

howard4113
September 30th, 2009, 12:57 PM
ScubaBrett22
Perhaps you should start by reading this:
Amazon.com: Descent Into Darkness: Pearl Harbor, 1941: A Navy Diver's Memoir (9780891415893): Edward Raymer: Books (http://www.amazon.com/Descent-Into-Darkness-Harbor-Divers/dp/0891415890)
AMAZING book.
M

ScubaBrett22
October 1st, 2009, 09:24 AM
ScubaBrett22
Perhaps you should start by reading this:
Amazon.com: Descent Into Darkness: Pearl Harbor, 1941: A Navy Diver's Memoir (9780891415893): Edward Raymer: Books (http://www.amazon.com/Descent-Into-Darkness-Harbor-Divers/dp/0891415890)
AMAZING book.
M

Okay maybe i will.. Thanks :D

ScubaBrett22
October 1st, 2009, 09:29 AM
I just applied for it after I was already in the service. Then went into Pearl from Midway to take the entry test...swim 300M. maybe for time I can't remember; 30 push-ups and 30 sit ups in 60 sec. each; run a mile in boots in less than 8 min.; and do 6 pull-ups, no time limit (thank God!)...that was the physical test back in 1981.

Then we they put us in the deco-bell and took us to 130' to see if anyone would panic under such conditions. I'm pretty sure that was the full test, there might have been some written part of the exam, but I can't remember for sure.

If you are not already in, talk to a recruiter about it, there may be a waiting list, there usually is for the cool jobs like SeaBees and EOD (explosives) and divers. Don't let them talk you into something else, if that is what you want to do. They can sometimes try that stuff.

Here's the low down, and I'm not trying to scare you or talk you out of it, just trying to pass on the facts.

Navy diver's work is working under poor, nasty and dangerous conditions most of the time...this isn't pleasure diving in any shape or form. But you will be one of the military's elite, that's something special in it's self.

Allmost all Navy divers are "Hull Techs" or underwater welders. You will have to go to Hull Tech school for at least a year and learn to weld. Then to Navy dive school for another year to a year and a half and then I think back to Hull Tech school for at least 6 months to learn to weld underwater...it's quite a commitment.

After all that schooling the Navy will want at least a 6-8 year commitment out of you to "pay back" all that schooling.

It's pretty much a career job, that's the thing that led me to not take it. I didn't want to make the Navy my career.

Best wishes...

I know what your trying to say but i am still going to join the USCG Scuba Team because i want to serve my country and be in or on the ocean... I am a SCUBA Freak, Scuba Steve and Scuba Brett i am ether called those three names at school depending on the day and i love it. But does anyone know if its a well paying job working in the USCG Scuba Team or should i continue to keep going at school till 12th grade i am only in 9th and try to become a Marine Biologist?? I just would like to have a high paying or pretty well paying job .... Well wouldn't everyone in the world =)

DennisS
October 1st, 2009, 09:59 AM
I know what your trying to say but i am still going to join the USCG Scuba Team because i want to serve my country and be in or on the ocean... I am a SCUBA Freak, Scuba Steve and Scuba Brett i am ether called those three names at school depending on the day and i love it. But does anyone know if its a well paying job working in the USCG Scuba Team or should i continue to keep going at school till 12th grade i am only in 9th and try to become a Marine Biologist?? I just would like to have a high paying or pretty well paying job .... Well wouldn't everyone in the world =)

Get a four year college degree and join the USCG or NOAA Corps as an officer.

ScubaBrett22
October 1st, 2009, 11:39 AM
Get a four year college degree and join the USCG or NOAA Corps as an officer.

What is a USCG Officer does anyone know how to explain it.... Like how high of a rank or what level and what do they do ... if anyone knows.:D:D

JPENDERGRAST
October 1st, 2009, 01:13 PM
I think someone needs some Ritalin

sharky60
October 1st, 2009, 01:17 PM
I know what your trying to say but i am still going to join the USCG Scuba Team because i want to serve my country and be in or on the ocean... I am a SCUBA Freak, Scuba Steve and Scuba Brett i am ether called those three names at school depending on the day and i love it. But does anyone know if its a well paying job working in the USCG Scuba Team or should i continue to keep going at school till 12th grade i am only in 9th and try to become a Marine Biologist?? I just would like to have a high paying or pretty well paying job .... Well wouldn't everyone in the world =)

Not trying to talk you out of it by any means, I think it's great, just laying it out for you. Thanks for your willingness to serve our country at such a young age.

You need to talk to a recruiter, both Navy and Cost Guard, the 2 may have very different diving opportunities. I met a Navy diver on Cozumel last year that does something around oil rigs and I think working mostly on scuba rather than a hard hat rig. When I was in the ONLY Navy SCUBA divers were safety divers and I don't think that was a full-time job. You can always loose your mind and become an EOD or SEAL...they get to dive :D

First of all, stay in school as long as you can. A collage degree before going into the military would give you a HUGE advantage and higher pay grade from the beginning. You can still be a diver and an officer, many are.

There is A LOT of math involved in hard hat diving, take as much as that as you can. Also the more you know about the human body the better, health, physics, kinesiology; understanding the way your body is supposed to work and what can effect it can save your life at 200'+. Get your body and mind in top physical shape and keep them there.

Marine Biology is a great field that is ever expanding with new concerns of the ocean's health. Scientists generally work off grants and don't make a lot of money. The big payoff is, depending on your reasearch, you can get some really great gigs in very beautiful parts of the world.

Military pay isn't great no matter what job you have, compared to similar civilian positions. Divers of course make more because of training and hazardous duty pay, but it's nothing compared to commercial divers.

If you are looking to make money as a hard hat diver, there are several very good commercial diving schools around the country.

If you go to the Coasties, after you get out, you may want to give up the "muck & yuck" diving and go into "tourism diving", another option to think about. Although that necessarily isn't a high paying job either.

If you are serious about making diving a carreer in one way or another, I'd suggest continue moving up in certifications and work towards an Instructor's cert...just don't move up too soon, taking one cert after another just to have them, get some experience in between classes...it will make you a better diver.

ScubaBrett22
October 1st, 2009, 02:14 PM
Not trying to talk you out of it by any means, I think it's great, just laying it out for you. Thanks for your willingness to serve our country at such a young age.

You need to talk to a recruiter, both Navy and Cost Guard, the 2 may have very different diving opportunities. I met a Navy diver on Cozumel last year that does something around oil rigs and I think working mostly on scuba rather than a hard hat rig. When I was in the ONLY Navy SCUBA divers were safety divers and I don't think that was a full-time job. You can always loose your mind and become an EOD or SEAL...they get to dive :D

First of all, stay in school as long as you can. A collage degree before going into the military would give you a HUGE advantage and higher pay grade from the beginning. You can still be a diver and an officer, many are.

There is A LOT of math involved in hard hat diving, take as much as that as you can. Also the more you know about the human body the better, health, physics, kinesiology; understanding the way your body is supposed to work and what can effect it can save your life at 200'+. Get your body and mind in top physical shape and keep them there.

Marine Biology is a great field that is ever expanding with new concerns of the ocean's health. Scientists generally work off grants and don't make a lot of money. The big payoff is, depending on your reasearch, you can get some really great gigs in very beautiful parts of the world.

Military pay isn't great no matter what job you have, compared to similar civilian positions. Divers of course make more because of training and hazardous duty pay, but it's nothing compared to commercial divers.

If you are looking to make money as a hard hat diver, there are several very good commercial diving schools around the country.

If you go to the Coasties, after you get out, you may want to give up the "muck & yuck" diving and go into "tourism diving", another option to think about. Although that necessarily isn't a high paying job either.

If you are serious about making diving a carreer in one way or another, I'd suggest continue moving up in certifications and work towards an Instructor's cert...just don't move up too soon, taking one cert after another just to have them, get some experience in between classes...it will make you a better diver.

Yes i understand... I was hoping to become a Hard hat diver. I would love to be in the ocean 24/5 WEEKENDS OFF!!! LoL but it just depends right now i am in 9th grade i am 15 and i am a Nitrox diver and a Rescue diver and i go out all most every weekend. I am also working on my physical appearance by being in Weight training.... might help me get a few girls..... i am also extremely good in Science and math my current grade in both of them are A+ / A. The only class i am not doing to well in is Spanish but i am working as hard as i can.

I Have a higher chance of getting a collage degree because my parents enrolled me in 1 of the top Private schools in FL but the thing is i wont be able to get a Sunshine Scholarship because i am in "Special Classes" because i have a learning disability which is getting better. But its going to take a hell of a lot more then for me to have a learning disability to stop me from getting a job on the ocean...

I honestly hope i can get ether a job as a Marine biologist or a hard hat diver... Only my grades and time can tell =) :D

okamiotoko2004
October 1st, 2009, 02:22 PM
Here are some good links for military divers.

https://www.netc.navy.mil/centers/ceneoddive/ndstc/
Navy Diver: On Duty: Navy Life: About the Navy: Navy (http://www.navy.com/about/navylife/onduty/navydiver/?campaign=diver_vj28_10_2007)

The links have requirements, course outline, and pay.

covediver
October 1st, 2009, 02:47 PM
I know what your trying to say but i am still going to join the USCG Scuba Team because i want to serve my country and be in or on the ocean... I am a SCUBA Freak, Scuba Steve and Scuba Brett i am ether called those three names at school depending on the day and i love it. But does anyone know if its a well paying job working in the USCG Scuba Team or should i continue to keep going at school till 12th grade i am only in 9th and try to become a Marine Biologist?? I just would like to have a high paying or pretty well paying job .... Well wouldn't everyone in the world =)

to use a much overused phrase, as a youngster the whole world is your oyster and everything new is exciting. Your enthusiasm for scuba and all things diving is infectious and refreshing. Keep up the enthusiasm and don't let others disuade you.

For example, there are those that will tell you that there are no jobs in marine biology or that the only jobs in marine biology are held by scientists with ph.d. Don't believe them. I mentioned in an earlier post that a friend of mine had dived on the Arizona as an NPS archaeologist to conduct monitoring and assessments. As a college sophmore, a respected archaeology professor dismissed my buddy's ambition to become a marine archaeologist with an authoratative "there are no jobs in that field." Had my buddy believed him...

You do have lots of options to pursue. The secret to know what options are available. For example, you mentioned becoming a USCG officer. There are a couple of paths to do this, one is the Coast Guard Academy, which selects on merit and not by Congressional appointment. A friend's daughter recently graduated from that institution with a commission and very bright future. You might read the recent book "Rescue Warriors" for a very readibly look at the Coast Guard. I finished reading it this Spring. I used to box with the skipper of the cutter out of Santa Barbara when I was at NPS. He also was a graduate of the Academy, although I am not sure that is where he picked up that mean upper cut he seemed to throw perfectly. He had a number of very interesting assignments in his career.

Steer clear of advice from negative people. By that I mean, if you want to do something and someone gives you advice that starts with "you can't because...." run like hell. These are toxic personalities. But, if someone says "you might be able to do that if...." listen, evaluate what they say, and then figure out what works for you.

sharky60
October 1st, 2009, 02:47 PM
Set those goals and go for it!!!

Do what you love and the rewards will come.

imwright1985
October 1st, 2009, 03:06 PM
Bret, try staying in as high of level math classes as you can in HS you dont have to pay for them (since high schools requirements are just enrolment) so take advantage of it, same with science because if you want marine bio you will def. need them. If you go any other degree you can clep test outa some classes for like 60 bucks which can allow you to skip some of the simpler classes, your harder classes you will have to actually take but after Honors Physics in High School I was able to sleep (literally) through Physics 1 in college with a low A. Your higher intensity HS classes either are near identical to College or just get a little more detailed in College. Also dont be discouraged about certain Scholarships there are a ton out there (Bright futures is a common one, some HS's have scholarships funded by Donor's, there are some for Race, Disabilities, and other special qualifications). If you join military with a degree you will usually enter right about leutenant rank.

covediver
October 1st, 2009, 03:47 PM
If you join military with a degree you will usually enter right about leutenant rank.

Good advice. But so as not to confuse the kid, "leiutenant" (actually 2nd Leiutenant) is what a person will be commissioned as upon entry to the Air force, Marine Corps, or Army. The equivalent grade for the wet services is Ensign.

A good comparison is avaialble at

Department of Defense Rank Insignias - Officers Rank (http://www.defenselink.mil/specials/insignias/officers.html)

ScubaBrett22
October 1st, 2009, 05:53 PM
Bret, try staying in as high of level math classes as you can in HS you dont have to pay for them (since high schools requirements are just enrolment) so take advantage of it, same with science because if you want marine bio you will def. need them. If you go any other degree you can clep test outa some classes for like 60 bucks which can allow you to skip some of the simpler classes, your harder classes you will have to actually take but after Honors Physics in High School I was able to sleep (literally) through Physics 1 in college with a low A. Your higher intensity HS classes either are near identical to College or just get a little more detailed in College. Also dont be discouraged about certain Scholarships there are a ton out there (Bright futures is a common one, some HS's have scholarships funded by Donor's, there are some for Race, Disabilities, and other special qualifications). If you join military with a degree you will usually enter right about leutenant rank.

Ya i am taking every turn and every street to reach my goals. And i have been trying to get into Normal classes so my dad does not have to pay as much. But the Dean at my school will not allow me to excel in certain classes because i am a tad slower but i can do all the work within 45 min but i will keep trying till i win i never ever stop fighting ever. :cool2:

I told my dad about the Hard hat divers he reply's "Oh great now i get to worry about my son at 200'+" then he added "you cant do that i wont let you" then i told him about the USCG divers and the Army divers and he said "It's to dangerous i love you to much for something to happen" :D;):cool2: But i am still going to try to join the USCG maybe convince him the thing that threw him off with the USCG divers is the bomb stuff LoL.

imwright1985
October 2nd, 2009, 12:23 PM
Ya i am taking every turn and every street to reach my goals. And i have been trying to get into Normal classes so my dad does not have to pay as much. But the Dean at my school will not allow me to excel in certain classes because i am a tad slower but i can do all the work within 45 min but i will keep trying till i win i never ever stop fighting ever. :cool2:


ask around if there is a proficiency test you can take or if at the teachers discression you could get moved into more normal classes. I dont know how your schedule is there but if you start all new classes in the spring see if you can find out whos teaching certain classes that you feel are relivant to what you want to get into and if you could possibly get to look through the books and see if you can do some of the stuff from the first few assignments or have a little understanding on the first test and depending on how well you do with that you might be able to get into regular classes. My cousin just got out of "special" classes a couple years ago and she went that route, now she is in honors classes but all she does is study and do homework because of how difficult it is for her but she wants to move on through it. Be kinda carefull with it because it may create alot more work for you than your expecting

ScubaBrett22
October 2nd, 2009, 02:19 PM
ask around if there is a proficiency test you can take or if at the teachers discression you could get moved into more normal classes. I dont know how your schedule is there but if you start all new classes in the spring see if you can find out whos teaching certain classes that you feel are relivant to what you want to get into and if you could possibly get to look through the books and see if you can do some of the stuff from the first few assignments or have a little understanding on the first test and depending on how well you do with that you might be able to get into regular classes. My cousin just got out of "special" classes a couple years ago and she went that route, now she is in honors classes but all she does is study and do homework because of how difficult it is for her but she wants to move on through it. Be kinda carefull with it because it may create alot more work for you than your expecting

Yep i know how it works... thanks for more info ... The books are all the same its just are classes go slower and review more stuff then "normal" classes lol but i like my classes we are the ones who think out side of the block lol unlike normal classes. But i will see what i can do.

imwright1985
October 3rd, 2009, 11:40 AM
if your doing the same stuff as regular classes just slower the main thing would be if your wanting to get into marine bio take whatever bio or marine bio classes your school offers and try getting into HS trig (should set you up for most college math classes except calc) by the time you graduate. Try looking at college requirements for marine bio and see if you need physics or chem and what the math requirements are and try getting into whatever HS classes feed into them. I was pretty advanced in HS from starting in the IB program so you might not be able to get through as many HS classes as i did but it helps ALOT when you start college to have Higher level Maths done in HS and some of the higher level sciences depending on what you want for your major

gunslinger808
October 5th, 2009, 10:15 PM
Let me answer this, as a navy reserve member of NAVSTA PH Security Force. The answer is.......NO

gunslinger808
October 5th, 2009, 10:17 PM
Unless, you get approval from higher up than my current pay grade. Sorry

ScubaBrett22
October 6th, 2009, 09:51 AM
Unless, you get approval from higher up than my current pay grade. Sorry

Ya i understand you can not dive it i figured it out LoL.. But i think i might join the USCG dive team. I am planning to become a marine biologist and if i fail which i hopefully wont then i will join the USCG dive team as my back up plan.

I have just always wanted to serve America and i have just always wanted to be in the Coast Guard ever since i saw them fly by us when i was a little boy. My mom once told me that "When you saw that orange coast guard boat when you where a little boy you said to me "mommy i wanna go with them"" I have just been attracted to the USCG for a long time and my obsession will not die for anything or anyone.

I Love the U.S. Coast Guard .... Get used to it LoL

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