Reel - GI - DIR - Where?

[janitor_69]

I heard a rumour that GI is going to change the place where the primary reel should be connected? Is this true? At the moment I'm scared to go diving since I'm not sure where to keep it. Please someone DIR-master, tell me.

-janitor-

[sheck33]

why are you 'scared' to go diving :confused:
keep it where it is now, if GI is going to change where he wants to put it you can always change where YOU put it later.
dont turn off your brain and become a blind follower.

[MikeFerrara]

This is funny. I heard that he doesn't like the reel clipped to his butt anymore. LOL

I never did.

[sheck33]

i dont like anything clipped to my butt :D

[detroit diver]

Troll??????

[MikeFerrara]

detroit diver once bubbled...
Troll??????

What's your point? It's slow enough today that we could use a good troll to get things cookin. LOL

[detroit diver]

I like a good troll as much as anyone, but this one didn't have any imagination put into it. First post? DIR? GI?

You've got to put some work into these.....:D

[Big-t-2538]

MikeFerrara once bubbled...
This is funny. I heard that he doesn't like the reel clipped to his butt anymore.

I don't see that as funny, I see it as common sense....maybe some of those freaks with 97 piercings might find this enjoyable, but not me.

[Scubaroo]

Just a pleasant reminder that users found creating sockpuppets will have their butts banned from ScubaBoard, reels clipped off there or not.

[Northeastwrecks]

MikeFerrara once bubbled...
This is funny. I heard that he doesn't like the reel clipped to his butt anymore. LOL


It probably gets in the way of his more ardent followers.

I don't like it there because it interferes with a frog kick (dangles between my legs) and is generally uncomfortable. I tried moving the ring closer to the plate and didn't like that either.

[janitor_69]

in fact, it was a little troll but just a harmless one and got some interesting answers coming... bann me, kill me or kick my butt out if you think it is necessary... my reel stays where i like it to be..;)

[Charlie99]

janitor_69 once bubbled...
in fact, it was a little troll but just a harmless one and got some interesting answers coming... bann me, kill me or kick my butt out if you think it is necessary... my reel stays where i like it to be..;) Your question, and the responses just shows that, contrary to popular belief, DIR is NOT a static system and can evolve.

Thank you for once again proving the superiority of the DIR system.

Charlie

[Grajan]

Snapping to attention and changing cos GI 'doesn't like it any more' could hardly be described as 'evolution'.

[MikeFerrara]

Charlie99 once bubbled...
Your question, and the responses just shows that, contrary to popular belief, DIR is NOT a static system and can evolve.

Thank you for once again proving the superiority of the DIR system.

Charlie

Good one!

I saw a guy one time doing all kinds of tricks on a dive. Later I asked him what in the world he was doing. He told me he was having trouble getting his reel off his butt ring and that he needed more practice. Of course I had to ask why he wouldn't just put it some place where he could reach it.

I think a little more evolution is still needed. LOL

Really though it's a good system but if you need others to decide where you should carry your reels I think you should stay out of a cave. What if they change their mind while you're on a dive and you don't find out about it til it's too late?

I know of a guy who has a cave 2 card. Recently he mentioned that he was thinking of taking the class again to find out what's changed. Formal training is the beginning not the end and IMO taking the same class over and over is anything but progress.

[BigJetDriver]

MikeFerrara once bubbled...


I saw a guy one time doing all kinds of tricks on a dive. Later I asked him what in the world he was doing. He told me he was having trouble getting his reel off his butt ring and that he needed more practice. Of course I had to ask why he wouldn't just put it some place where he could reach it.

I think a little more evolution is still needed. LOL

Really though it's a good system but if you need others to decide where you should carry your reels I think you should stay out of a cave. What if they change their mind while you're on a dive and you don't find out about it til it's too late?

I know of a guy who has a cave 2 card. Recently he mentioned that he was thinking of taking the class again to find out what's changed. Formal training is the beginning not the end and IMO taking the same class over and over is anything but progress. [U][COLOR=darkblue]

BIG BUMP! ROFL:D

"Formal training is the BEGINNING, not the END." Sounds very "Zen", but is nonetheless very true! Mind if I quote you?;)

[BigJetDriver]

Northeastwrecks once bubbled...


It probably gets in the way of his more ardent followers.



AEIIIIIIIIIIIIIII!!!!!!!!!!!:D =-) ROFL!!!!!!!!!!:D :D

[jonnythan]

If anyone REALLY cares that much about what George might or might not do, just email him. Why ask someone other than George what George is doing?

[BigJetDriver]

Scubaroo once bubbled...
Just a pleasant reminder that users found creating sockpuppets will have their butts banned from ScubaBoard, reels clipped off there or not.

Let's see...sockpuppets...butts...reels clipped where? What the heck IS going on out there where you are, Scubaroo? ROFL:D =-)

[Zerogravity]

UGGHHH!!!! Not another GI blind devotee! Wear it wherever it works best for YOU!! If GI gets mad, tell him where to shove his reel! Free your mind and your ass will follow. ZG:)

[JohnF]

DIR, and GI3 as the mouth of DIR, have had some pretty darned solid reasons why things went where. I haven't always found their way to be the easiest but the logic is solid.

I admit I'm one who hates stuff clipped off to my buttring because I have a helluva time unclipping things there, and look like I'm just enjoying playing with my own butt when I jive around in the water trying to get stuff loose from that stupid ring, particularly when buried under doubles. It would be nice to know what well-thought out solution has been offered, becuz even if it means putting in a stainless steel foreskin ring, it might be simpler and less painful than using that stupid buttring. It's not just becuz GI says it's okay, but if he says so, he'll have a helluva reason why.

Praise George (if he has an answer)
JF

[ckharlan66]

take this for what you will, but, the reason you clip extra stuff to the butt ring is that it is out of the slip stream there so it offers less drag and if it is a negative object and hangs down it can not hang below the diver so you won't have anything dangling to stir silt or tangle in a line.

Chad

[MikeFerrara]

Actually I think the official answer is that GI clips them where ever he can...hip, stage bottle or where ever. Last I heard he doesn't even have a butt ring. At least that's what I heard.

[Braunbehrens]

MikeFerrara once bubbled...
Actually I think the official answer is that GI clips them where ever he can...hip, stage bottle or where ever. Last I heard he doesn't even have a butt ring. At least that's what I heard.

Yes, the lastest is that you can just clip it to the stage. The idea is that if you jump in with a reel you'll probably use it pretty quick anyway.

I have no problem reaching the butt D-ring so that is where I clip my reel, especially since I may not use it if the viz is good.

Technical divers used to do many things that are now considered dangerous by most. Deep Air is one example, suicide clips is another. The reason people don't use these methods anymore is because the have proven to be dangerous.

In a way, DIR is a refinement of this pattern. A method of diving is hammered out that eliminates all of the potentially dangerous practices, and promotes the ones that are proven safe.

Of course the system evolves. However, it evolves very slowly.

This is a good thing, IMO, because so far it has proven very safe and reliable. This is also why I dive DIR.

Enough people dive this system to ensure that every aspect of it is tested repeatedly. That's part of the reason it's so reliable, and it's also the reason why it's so rigid. If everyone changed a little thing, then the whole reliability of it would go out the window.

I'm not saying that non-DIR diving is inherently more dangerous. It may be, or it may not be, depending on your setup. I'm just not interested in finding out the hard way.

[ckharlan66]

MikeFerrara once bubbled...
Actually I think the official answer is that GI clips them where ever he can...hip, stage bottle or where ever. Last I heard he doesn't even have a butt ring. At least that's what I heard.

What GI does. I was just going on the answer I was given when I asked this question at DIRF last month.

Chad

[Todd]

Seacur once bubbled...
I admit I'm one who hates stuff clipped off to my buttring because I have a helluva time unclipping things there, and look like I'm just enjoying playing with my own butt...

Nothing wrong with a little butt playing–GI3 approved or not. :out:


MikeFerrara once bubbled...
This is funny. I heard that he doesn't like the reel clipped to his butt anymore.

I assume a joke about a good ********** would be inappropriate? :eek:

Todd.

[edit by moderator - profanity removed]

[Scubaroo]

Todd once bubbled...
I assume a joke about a good *********** would be inappropriate?This board strives to be family oriented.

This thread is starting to push the limits.

[cast55]

The butt ring was where Irvine stowed the exploration reels (i.e. the reels that are too large to effectively get stowed anywhere else). For a standard primary reel, you can either clip off to the hip ring, or may even be able to fit it in your pocket if you don't also have a backup mask in there.

The butt ring is not entirely superfluous. I keep lift bags there sometimes, but would be hesistant to put a reel there where the line could come off the reel without immediate indication.

The lift bag, or anything else to get stowed in that location, is either up in the backplate channel or held tight to the plate with bungee. You don't want anything hanging there that could interfere with towing, either by obscuring the crotch strap (as in the case of towing another diver), or by entangling a camera or scooter leash (clipped to the crotch ring).

I think this is why WKPP et. al. have moved away from using the butt ring, since in cave exploration you don't carry lift bags there. Besides, the butt ring is a bit "out of sight, out of mind" - having a big exploration reel full of line staring you in the face is all the more motivation to lay it...

-Sean