Hog regulators

[carrielsal]

Has anyone used the Hog regulators? There are a couple of sites that have really good pricing on them today, but I can't find any references to anyone that has actually used them.

Carrie

[Jim Lapenta]

Carrie, if you have the cash buy one if you need it. I got two to replace my current doubles set up. Nothing wrong with the one I have but this is too good of a deal for coldwater regs. I'll be converting my current setups back to recreational for travel and student use. And at 154 bucks(minus hose) ya can't go wrong. Consider them an investment.

[carrielsal]

I was thinking about a set for a deco bottle.

Carrie

[IDS_Bill]

Looks like Joel is using the same manufacturer as Dive Rite and is badging them as HOG. I could be wrong.....

If so, they are good stuff...

[cerich]

Looks like Joel is using the same manufacturer as Dive Rite and is badging them as HOG. I could be wrong.....

If so, they are good stuff...

they are good stuff

but Joel is a EDGE and HOG Dealer, not doing the brand himself.

[ligersandtions]

I asked the same question. Not a lot of people have used them, but the ones I found how had liked them. I picked up two first stages and two second stages. I expect that they'll perform just fine for recreational diving (I'll be holding off on using one of the first stages until I can really form an opinion....and if I decide it's not good for deeper diving, then I'll figure out what to do at that point).

Looking forward to trying them out :D

[cerich]

I asked the same question. Not a lot of people have used them, but the ones I found how had liked them. I picked up two first stages and two second stages. I expect that they'll perform just fine for recreational diving (I'll be holding off on using one of the first stages until I can really form an opinion....and if I decide it's not good for deeper diving, then I'll figure out what to do at that point).

Looking forward to trying them out :D

They are fully capable of technical diving, did you see the performance chart from the antsi testing? (http://www.scubaboard.com/forums/edge-gear/309166-hog-bal-second-hog-d1-antsi-results.html)

MANY regs can't hit those numbers and they are selling at three times the retail of my HOGS....

There is NO dive I wouldn't feel comfortable using them on

Chris Richardson- EDGE
NAUI TECH Course Director and TDI tech Instructor

[scubamountaingirl]

nicole, using them for two years...not going deeper than 130 now but they are a-ok ....i have cold water first stage and no issues. had an issue with my second stage and chris fixed it immediately. i could not say enough good things . everyone take advantage of this sale it is amazing prices for quality goods..

ww

[ligersandtions]

They are fully capable of technical diving, did you see the performance chart from the antsi testing? (http://www.scubaboard.com/forums/edge-gear/309166-hog-bal-second-hog-d1-antsi-results.html)

MANY regs can't hit those numbers and they are selling at three times the retail of my HOGS....

There is NO dive I wouldn't feel comfortable using them on

Chris Richardson- EDGE
NAUI TECH Course Director and TDI tech Instructor

I did see that....but honestly, I don't really even know what it means ;)

Maybe you can tell me, since I seem to be getting mixed answers....how is the hose routing for doubles? Do they route nicely or are there going to be any sharp bends?

I'm sure there will be absolutely no issue diving them on a single rig (that said, I will be taking them out with a trusted buddy always!), but I'm still deciding on whether I want to use them for my doubles set-up.

It was an absolutely killer price and I'm really looking forward to trying them out. Can't wait till they make it to my door!

[cerich]

I did see that....but honestly, I don't really even know what it means ;)

Maybe you can tell me, since I seem to be getting mixed answers....how is the hose routing for doubles? Do they route nicely or are there going to be any sharp bends?

I'm sure there will be absolutely no issue diving them on a single rig (that said, I will be taking them out with a trusted buddy always!), but I'm still deciding on whether I want to use them for my doubles set-up.

It was an absolutely killer price and I'm really looking forward to trying them out. Can't wait till they make it to my door!

they route excellent for HOG style, if you need I can take a shot of how i rig my doubles for you to see.

[M_Bipartitus]

I would like to see the routing.

[docmartin]

can i buy parts to service them myself? if yes, where and for how much?

[M_Bipartitus]

Even better, a full service course is available.

http://www.scubaboard.com/forums/edge-gear/308976-edge-hog-annouces-industry-first.html

[Scubastud16]

I have one on a newly-purchased deco bottle. Have yet to use it in the water, but it looks and routes great. I have similar first stages on my back gas regs.

[reefraff]

can i buy parts to service them myself? if yes, where and for how much?

Yes, once you successfully complete the Edge/HOG Equipment Service course you can purchase annual service kits for your regulators from any Edge/HOG dealer. How much will be up to each dealer but they shouldn't be any more than most other kits. To take the class you'll have to be: (a) at least 18, and; (b) hold a technical level diver rating, and; (c) a nitrox diver rating, and; (d) own at least one set of Edge/HOG regs.

It's a TDI course, the first batch of instructors is just finishing up their training and the paperwork is being processed.

[NetDoc]

I just got two firsts and two seconds. I'll tell you my impression as soon as I get them wet! :D

So far, I like the look, finish and feel of them.

[reefraff]

Let me start with full disclosure: I work part-time for a dive shop that carries Edge/HOG gear, as an instructor and service technician. I'm a manufacturer-trained service tech for Aqualung/Apeks, ScubaPro, Atomic, Oceanic/Aeris/Hollis, Zeagle, Mares, Sherwood/Genesis, and some others and I'm one of the newly minted TDI Edge/HOG Equipment Service instructors. I also like sitting in front of a nice fire on a cold winter day and long walks in the park...

Mostly, I'm a technical diver with a fondness for the deep, cold wrecks of the Great Lakes so my gear has to meet performance criteria far beyond what most divers need. I've been diving a HOG D1 with the cold-water kit and a HOG second stage for most of the summer. Originally, I put the set on a 70ft deco bottle and was pleased enough with it's performance to move it to deeper and deeper bottles. Recently it has been on a 190ft bottle a couple of times and it has performed flawlessly. It's very easy to breathe, even at 190ft, and has held up to the beating all my gear gets without complaint.

I've taken more than a handful of them apart and can testify that they are well made. The machining and plating have been flawless and, if you can forgive the 1st stage turret, there are no gimmicks in the engineering. Whatever you may think about turrets - I got used to them long ago when I bought a couple of the highly-rated ScubaPro MK20s - they do make hose routing a non-issue pretty much no matter what kind of configuration you're using. So far the only time I've had a problem with mine was when I accidentally left a heat gun blowing super-heated air at it :bonk: and I deformed the 2nd stage faceplate a little bit - it still works, however. cerich knows his stuff and he's providing a terrific regulator at a dazzlingly low price.

Most people have three priorities when selecting a regulator: performance, price and reliability. HOGs are front of the pack when it comes to performance (if you can't read an ANSTI loop profile, all you really need to know is that there are only a few regulators in the same league as the D1), they're inexpensive enough to make you a little giddy, and they are definitely a time-proven design suitable for the stress of cold and/or deep water. Lump in the availability of service training and kits for the DIY repair crowd and, well, what the heck more do you want?

All of that said, I already own a fleet of over a dozen regulators (mostly Apeks, some ScubaPro) and I'm not going to be dumping them on eBay - sorry. I like the HOGs but I've still got a grip on reality. If I was just starting to build a fleet, however, I'd be looking long and hard at the HOGs, they're very good stuff.

[ligersandtions]

they route excellent for HOG style, if you need I can take a shot of how i rig my doubles for you to see.

That would be great....thanks!

[cerich]

That would be great....thanks!

COOL

I'm a little slammed give me today, maybe by noon tomorrow.

[CompuDude]

COOL

I'm a little slammed give me today, maybe by noon tomorrow.

I'd be curious about that, too, thanks.

I'm using the set I just ordered for deco, however. Trying to figure out the o2 clean thing. Can I use these brand new regs on my 100% bottle (Al.40, so 3000psi max, sometimes lower) or should I just reserve them for my 50% bottle?

[reefraff]

I'd be curious about that, too, thanks.

I'm using the set I just ordered for deco, however. Trying to figure out the o2 clean thing. Can I use these brand new regs on my 100% bottle (Al.40, so 3000psi max, sometimes lower) or should I just reserve them for my 50% bottle?

Per Chris at the instructor course, no amount of O2 cleaning will increase these limits:

OK for 100% O2 up to 2400 psi.
OK for EAN80 up to 3400 psi.

[CompuDude]

Per Chris at the instructor course, no amount of O2 cleaning will increase these limits:

OK for 100% O2 up to 2400 psi.
OK for EAN80 up to 3400 psi.


So I should infer EAN90 at 3000psi? LOL

I wonder if it's realistic to worry about this, and I should just use them with 100% anyway (on the off chance I actually get a 3000psi fill), or if I should simply swap these new regs to my 50% bottle and use the o2 clean (fine for 100%) regs I already have on my 100% bottle...

I had hoped to use them for both, and dump the other regs, but that's looking less feasible if 2400psi is really the [real world] limit.

[cerich]

So I should infer EAN90 at 3000psi? LOL

I wonder if it's realistic to worry about this, and I should just use them with 100% anyway (on the off chance I actually get a 3000psi fill), or if I should simply swap these new regs to my 50% bottle and use the o2 clean (fine for 100%) regs I already have on my 100% bottle...

I had hoped to use them for both, and dump the other regs, but that's looking less feasible if 2400psi is really the [real world] limit.

The issue is that no scuba regulator is designed for use with oxygen at high pressures, none. Some manufs are willing to give the OK for 100 O2 use without consideration for pressure. I don't consider that realistic, nor responsible . In addition I am allowing people to service their own gear if they attend the TDI HOG equipment course and the course does not teach (but talks a bit about) how to "oxygen clean", in fact I highly recommend that if you are self servicing and using the reg with higher than 40% oxygen you also attend a Oxygen service course.(offered by many tech agencies).

I would rather be overly cautious on something that can harm or kill somebody than overly optimistic that everything will go well for every user every day with every oxygen fill. Think about the medical Oxygen industry, makes diving pale in comparison, their regs and valves are designed from ground up for oxygen use at 100%, yet they only fill to 2400psi,... if the risk allowed you can be assured they would be filling higher.

[reefraff]

So I should infer EAN90 at 3000psi? LOL

I wonder if it's realistic to worry about this, and I should just use them with 100% anyway (on the off chance I actually get a 3000psi fill), or if I should simply swap these new regs to my 50% bottle and use the o2 clean (fine for 100%) regs I already have on my 100% bottle...

I had hoped to use them for both, and dump the other regs, but that's looking less feasible if 2400psi is really the [real world] limit.

It's always realistic to be careful about O2 partial pressure problems. I've seen enough of the burned out valve seats and HP seals that come with too much, too fast, to always be nervous. Then again, if you need more gas and using a bigger bottle isn't an option, it's your regulator and your butt to do with as you will. Just remember, nobody cares about the Scuba Police but smart people always keep an eye out for Darwin.

[cerich]

Then again, if you need more gas and using a bigger bottle isn't an option,.

an 80 filled to 2400 psi is just as easy to carry/stage as a 40 with 3000psi....:D

[CompuDude]

Realistically, I don't think my LDS pumps Al.40's to 3000psi with o2 anyway, I was just wondering for reference purposes.

BTW, while I think about it... will there be any "TDI HOG equipment courses" being taught in SoCal?

[Rainer]

Sure they do.

By the way, what tech class did you take?



Realistically, I don't think my LDS pumps Al.40's to 3000psi with o2 anyway, I was just wondering for reference purposes.

[Rainer]

Hardly.

In any case, though, 2400psi of O2 in a 40 is a lot of O2. That'd still be good for several dives. That said, lots of people are going to use these regs at 3000psi. No one is going to have an issue.


an 80 filled to 2400 psi is just as easy to carry/stage as a 40 with 3000psi....:D

[NetDoc]

Err on the side of safety is the best option.

[Dive Right In Scuba]

BTW, while I think about it... will there be any "TDI HOG equipment courses" being taught in SoCal?


We will be mapping a plan across the US! Start finding some people for the class as we will start our "tour" soon. We will bring the training to your area and bring you up through the ranks!

More info coming within the next 2-3 weeks as we finalize everything

[iztok]

Any pics of HOG D1 Cold doubles routing? Please?

[cerich]

http://www.scubaboard.com/forums/4890050-post14.html