Dsat

[calado]

What do you think about DSAT vs some of the other tek agencies courses?

Thanks,
PC

[Doppler]

calado once bubbled...
What do you think about DSAT vs some of the other tek agencies courses?

Thanks,
PC

You sure you wanna know?

Can only comment on two instructors I have seen giving the "courses" here in NA and frankly I am surprised they got their ratings so fast... one of them approached me a couple of years back and gave me **** for giving divers decompression training... said I was nuts and nobody had any business going below 130 feet.

That said, it depends on who's delivering the programs

[calado]

Yep, of course the instructor is always the main choise.

But I was mainly looking to get some feedbacks on the program itself.

Thanks,
PC

[Wood]

You should do some serious investigation before signing on. See if you can get ahold of the course standards before you start. You may find that the more expereinced and skilled instructors are not teaching the DSAT program, but teach for other agencies.


Wood

[Jonathan]

My TDI instructor in the UK started trying to teach the DSAT course (he was in the first batch of instructors recognised by PADI Europe) but they have now gone back to TDI.

It was too expensive a package to sell - both for time and equipment. Most people these days just don't have the time commitment to be able to do it in that manner and find it better broken down by doing it over three progressive courses with TDI or IANTD.

Just look at recreational diving - with PADI there are three distinct stages to get to rescue diver (which is where I believe all recreational divers should aim for as a minimum). BSAC used to do it in "one" course and found themselves losing out to PADI, SAA etc.

I don't consider aprentice deep (or whatever it's called) to be a suitable step and shops are finding that they can't sell that either....

However, it does have far better documentation and teaching aides than the others of I have seen.

Jonathan

[DiveTub]

Having completed the DSAT TecRec I was extremely happy with course.
The theory material is fantastic, and the course has almost twice the Dives as the equivalent TDI course, and I found it to be a very through grounding into Technical Diving, I would recommend the course provided it is taught by a very experienced technical instructor with at least a few hundred tech dives under their belt.

Having said that it is a long course it took me 7 weeks to complete diving every weekend, I certainley did not rush it.

If you are after a quick certification the the DSAT TecRec is not an option.

[calado]

Thanks,

I am a TDI Nitrox Diver and a PADI Adv.OW, and I'm about to start the TDI Adv.Nitrox and TDI Deco Procedures. But my instructor might start late this year with DSAT. So the instructor is not the point here.....
I'm trying to look, and find out if DSAT might be a good option for later courses (maybe if they start with Trimix ....), but I want to get more experience before going to that stage. I have now around 3 and a half years diving, and around 130 dives in all dephs (max 55m), in diferent locations.

But the main idea I'm geting out of this poll, is that maybe after the Adv.Nitrox and Deco. Proc. from TDI, the DSAT courses are not the right choise.Tek Rec is a all in one. Is this true?

Thanks,

[VaJames]

You have dove to 55m (180ft) and you have not yet taken adv nitrox/deco/extended range and or trimix yet? That sounds extremely risky to me. A regular nitrox and advanced open water does not train in any, way, shape, or form to dive that deep. That is dangerous man and you should really get the necessary training before you really hurt yourself.

James

[calado]

Thanks for your concern VaJames, but that's not the question here ....

And I have done many 30m (100ft) dives much more "dangerous" than some at 40 plus meters ... but that is a subject for another poll .... and YES... diving at 55m without the proper training/equipment is extremely dangerous, and perhaps deadly ....

PC

[DiveTub]

calado once bubbled...
Thanks for your concern VaJames, but that's not the question here ....
and YES... diving at 55m without the proper training/equipment is extremely dangerous, and perhaps deadly ....
PC

So why are you doing it without comprehensive training then? :confused:

The DSAT Trimix courses look like they are going to be first rate; there was a good article on them in the PADI Pros Magazine last month.

[calado]

So why are you doing it without comprehensive training then?

I don't anymore ... 55m only done once in a very good sea conditions ... also dangerous ..... don't do this at home :)
My max bottom depth is 45m .... no more ... and with a planing .... rec planing, not tek planing .....

I'm going to get the training, don't worry =-)

That's why I'm looking for some advices on next courses ...
My Adv.Nitrox plus Decompressive Procedures is just starting ....

Thanks for the tip on Trimix (Sydney_Diver), I will try and look at the magazine.

[janitor_69]

i just got my dsat tec deep instructor rating.

not planning to teach that, just took it since you can get it (like any other padi instructor rating) just with sending a few papers and money. no dives or courses involved.

went through the material, it is very good compared to the terrible stuff offered by tdi or others.

but still, it's too much for the purpose, impossible to do on a time that people have or price that people are willing to pay.
;-0

[Pez de Diablo]

janitor_69 once bubbled...
i just got my dsat tec deep instructor rating.

not planning to teach that, just took it since you can get it (like any other padi instructor rating) just with sending a few papers and money. no dives or courses involved.



I call BS.

The instructor rating is more than just paper work.


janitor_69 once bubbled...
went through the material, it is very good compared to the terrible stuff offered by tdi or others.

but still, it's too much for the purpose, impossible to do on a time that people have or price that people are willing to pay.


So you are saying that all the material that is covered in the DESAT program is more than what you need to do extended range obligatory decompression diving? I would call it comprehensive.

After spend 4 months completing the course I feel very confident doing that sort of diving, but I would not say that I have too much training for the purpose.

IMHO, I don't think you are a DESAT instructor or someone with much techinical dive experience. If you prove me wrong, I wouldn't want to do training with you or anyone that would say the DESAT program is "too much for the purpose."

[Doppler]

janitor_69 once bubbled...
i just got my dsat tec deep instructor rating.

not planning to teach that, just took it since you can get it (like any other padi instructor rating) just with sending a few papers and money. no dives or courses involved.

went through the material, it is very good compared to the terrible stuff offered by tdi or others.

but still, it's too much for the purpose, impossible to do on a time that people have or price that people are willing to pay.
;-0

Did you really become a technical instructor without dives or classroom... what experience do you have to teach advanced techniques? Even though you do not intend to teach it -- as you say -- does this sound OK to you?

Just wondering...

Doppler

[dlarbale]

Very interesting topic here.

If PADI are giving away the DSAT rating then I guess it's a similar sort of deal as the other instructor ratings:

Take for example wreck diver courses - to teach a wreck diver course you only have to have certified 20 odd divers and have some documented evidence of wreck diving (i.e. log book).

OK so you can't falsify the number of students taught but we all know instructors that have made up dives to meet the initial instructor requirement of 100 logged dives, so why not add a few wreck dives to the list!

In my opinion if you're teaching wreck or Tec you should be top of the game and it should be a requirement that you can prove it under stringent evaluation!

Choose carefully the instructors out there - some aren't what their respective organisations say they are (not just PADI!).

Later - Dave.

[bridgediver]

My friend is working towards his padi dsat instructor and he is having to do a lot more than send in paperwork! He had to take the whole tec-rec course just for starters. There are additional dives and he has to instruct a number of classes under supervision before he will get it.

Not sure what janitor has but let us know how you did it. I'm sure my pal would rather do it that way. He's been working towards it for over 6 months so far

[padiscubapro]

Doppler once bubbled...


Did you really become a technical instructor without dives or classroom... what experience do you have to teach advanced techniques? Even though you do not intend to teach it -- as you say -- does this sound OK to you?

Just wondering...

Doppler

WIth my qualifications I haven't even applied to be a DSAT instructor.. ANd I don't think I ever will..

Last year I assisted in teaching a DSAT CD that wanted to cross over to ANDI, level 3 + 4(first two tech ratings).. It turns out to get this rating he had to go over some of the academics and a few SIMULATED deco dives... He was certified to teach other instructors and in his own words NEVER did any deco dives.. Thats scary..

I had to bring him though the various user levels and instructor classes and he had to show computer d/ls attesting to his experience(and skill).. it took him several months of diving to get to an experience level that was acceptable.. He now will assist another instructor in a few user classes so he can teach on his own.. He has done some DSAT instructor classes in the meantime.

[calado]

What background is necessary to become a DSAT instructor? Is it so diferent from the other agencies? All this is very very strange .....:confused: At least for me ...

It seams to me that everyone has a friend, or a friends friend ... that .. this .. or that .... but what does DSAT really requeries? Be a PADI instructor? a Tek instructor from other agencie? any other stuff? :confused:

[padiscubapro]

calado once bubbled...
What background is necessary to become a DSAT instructor? Is it so diferent from the other agencies? All this is very very strange .....:confused: At least for me ...

It seams to me that everyone has a friend, or a friends friend ... that .. this .. or that .... but what does DSAT really requeries? Be a PADI instructor? a Tek instructor from other agencie? any other stuff? :confused:

They have some listed qualifications as to experience levels and required certs but it seems people look the other way once $$$ get involved...

I'm not implying there aren't any good DSAT instructors out there it just seems they went away from their original goal that not everyone was suited to become a dsat instructor... It seems they want to get the numbers up....


In the past, if you were already a tech instructor you had to get a letter from your tech agency attesting to the fact that you are indeed an active tech instructor and have taught at least 1 tech class.. (this portion waved the work with a cd) all that was now necessary was to meet the required nitrox and deep certs and take an academic exam at an IE.

My guess is that it will eventually become a "self certfiying" instructor... like most padi specialties...

I like padi's materials and classes for recreational divers, I just wish they stayed where they have the experience... not trying to get at the last buck...

I remember the days when PADI along with skin diver and DAN preached Nitrox was the devil gas, and agencies like ANDI and IANTD got banned from DEMA.

[DiveTub]

janitor_69 once bubbled...
i just got my dsat tec deep instructor rating.

not planning to teach that, just took it since you can get it (like any other padi instructor rating) just with sending a few papers and money. no dives or courses involved.

went through the material, it is very good compared to the terrible stuff offered by tdi or others.

but still, it's too much for the purpose, impossible to do on a time that people have or price that people are willing to pay.
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This is rubbish
Here are the details for TecRec Instructor

Qualifying as a Tec Deep Instructor

There are a couple ways you can qualify to teach the Tec Deep Diver course, depending on your present training and experience.

Tec Deep Instructor Training Course

The ideal way to qualify is by completing a Tec Deep Instructor training course conducted by a PADI Course Director who is qualified as a Tec Deep Instructor Trainer. Benefits of taking the training course include:

You may participate in the course before you meet all the experience requirements necessary for instructor certification, and complete your certification later after meeting the experience requirements.
The course credits you as having assisted with an Apprentice Tec course, which is part of your assisting requirements.
The instructor trainer can complete your peer skill review and sign your application.
You may take the Tec Deep Instructor Exams as part of the course instead of during an IE.
To enroll in a DSAT Tec Deep Instructor training course, you must meet the following criteria:

Be a renewed PADI Open Water Scuba Instructor (or a PADI Instructor with a higher rating).
Be a PADI Enriched Air Diver or equivalent. For this program, equivalency is proof of certification in enriched air nitrox diving with training that includes gas analysis, cylinder labeling, oxygen toxicity, calculating oxygen exposure, determining maximum depth limits, finding equivalent air depths and planning enriched air dives with different enriched air blends (not just EANx32 and EANx36).
Be a PADI Enriched Air Instructor, or have successfully completed a PADI Enriched Air Instructor training course.
Be a PADI Deep Diver Specialty Instructor, or have successfully completed a PADI Deep Diver Specialty Instructor training course.
Have a minimum of 100 logged dives, where at least 20 dives were made with enriched air nitrox, 25 dives were deeper than 18 metres/60 feet and at least 15 dives were deeper than 30 metres/100 feet.
Note that you don’t have to have the Tec Deep Diver certification (or equivalent); the instructor trainer can include diver-level certification in the course.

Upon successfully completing the DSAT Tec Deep Instructor training course, before sending the application to your PADI Office, you must meet the following criteria:

Be a renewed PADI Master Scuba Diver Trainer or PADI Instructor with a higher rating.
Be a PADI Enriched Air Instructor.
Be a PADI Deep Diver Specialty Instructor.
Be certified as a DSAT Tec Deep Diver (or equivalent). (This may be part of the Tec Deep Instructor training course).
Have assisted with at least two DSAT Tec Deep Diver courses or one Apprentice Tec Diver course and one Tec Deep Diver course. (Completing the DSAT Tec Deep Instructor training course credits you as having assisted with an Apprentice Tec Diver course.)
Have a minimum of 270 dives logged, with at least 25 stage decompression dives that had a maximum depth deeper than 40 metres/130 feet.
Have certified a total of ten or more PADI Deep Divers and/or PADI Enriched Air Divers. Any combination that totals ten in acceptable.
Have successfully completed the Tec Deep Instructor Standards Exam and the Tec Deep Instructor Theory and Practical Application Exam. (This is usually part of the Tec Deep Instructor training course).
Meet the peer review waterskill requirements listed on the DSAT Tec Deep Instructor Application through the attesting signature of a DSAT Tec Deep Instructor or a PADI Instructor with an equivalent rating. (This is usually handled by the instructor trainer during the Tec Deep Instructor training course).
Applying Directly

Direct application is best suited to PADI Instructors who are already well experienced as tec instructors.

To apply directly to your local PADI Office, you must meet the following criteria:

Be a renewed PADI Master Scuba Diver Trainer or PADI Instructor with a higher rating.
Be a PADI Enriched Air Instructor.
Be a PADI Deep Diver Specialty Instructor.
Be certified as a DSAT Tec Deep Diver (or equivalent).
Have assisted with at least two DSAT Tec Deep Diver courses or one Apprentice Tec Diver course and one Tec Deep Diver course. If certified by another training organization as an instructor equivalent to DSAT Tec Deep Instructor, having taught or assisted with two courses equivalent to the Tec Deep Diver course may meet this requirement, as stipulated on the Tec Deep Instructor Application.
Have a minimum of 270 dives logged, with at least 25 stage decompression dives that had a maximum depth deeper than 40 metres/130 feet.
Have certified a total of ten or more PADI Deep Divers and/or PADI Enriched Air Divers. Any combination that totals ten in acceptable.
Have successfully completed the Tec Deep Instructor Standards Exam and the Tec Deep Instructor Theory and Practical Application Exam. (Testing will be available at select IEs.)
Meet the peer review waterskill requirements listed on the DSAT Tec Deep Instructor Application through the attesting signature of a DSAT Tec Deep Instructor or a PADI Instructor with an equivalent rating.
The application must include documentation/proof of meeting these requirements as required on the application. These may include photocopies of certifications, qualifications, etc., witness signatures and other documentation as noted on the application.

The application will be made available at DEMA and is also included in the course outline.

[janitor_69]

bridgediver once bubbled...
Not sure what janitor has but let us know how you did it. I'm sure my pal would rather do it that way. He's been working towards it for over 6 months so far

well, i went to padi website, printed out the form for tec deep instructor application, put in my padi msdt number, filled in my visa card number, bought the tec deep exam, filled it up, went to a padi tec deep instructor who checked it and signed the form for that part and logged dives verification, then called to a tdi instructor who i was assisting couple years ago in some courses, got a paper for assisting 2 technical level courses, took a copy of my tdi advanced trimix cert, took one photo and mailed the application to padi. took me a day of running around and quite a few phone calls so indeed, it was not just paperwork.

>>I wouldn't want to do training with you or anyone that would >>say the DESAT program is "too much for the purpose."

i think that there is too much stuff for doing 50 meter air dives, same as there is no point teaching open water divers about wreck penetration techniques, or teaching a nitrox diver how to blend helium, sorry if my english is not always so good but that is what i meant with "too much for the purpose". if you look at the outline, i just think it is too much.

what i meant about the materials, is that they are very good quality as every material what padi/dsat does since there is lots of $$ behind. would be best to teach tdi but use dsat material.

[DiveTub]

janitor_69 once bubbled...


well, i went to padi website, printed out the form for tec deep instructor application, put in my padi msdt number, filled in my visa card number, bought the tec deep exam, filled it up, went to a padi tec deep instructor who checked it and signed the form for that part and logged dives verification, then called to a tdi instructor who i was assisting couple years ago in some courses, got a paper for assisting 2 technical level courses, took a copy of my tdi advanced trimix cert, took one photo and mailed the application to padi. took me a day of running around and quite a few phone calls so indeed, it was not just paperwork.

>>I wouldn't want to do training with you or anyone that would >>say the DESAT program is "too much for the purpose."

i think that there is too much stuff for doing 50 meter air dives, same as there is no point teaching open water divers about wreck penetration techniques, or teaching a nitrox diver how to blend helium, sorry if my english is not always so good but that is what i meant with "too much for the purpose". if you look at the outline, i just think it is too much.

what i meant about the materials, is that they are very good quality as every material what padi/dsat does since there is lots of $$ behind. would be best to teach tdi but use dsat material.

You did not mention
Have successfully completed the Tec Deep Instructor Standards Exam and the Tec Deep Instructor Theory and Practical Application Exam. (Testing will be available at select IEs.)

You must do the Instructor Exam at an IE or I think you can now do it with a qualified CD you can't do it on your own ?

testMeet the peer review waterskill requirements listed on the DSAT Tec Deep Instructor Application through the attesting signature of a DSAT Tec Deep Instructor or a PADI Instructor with an equivalent rating.

You do actually have to get in the water for this, not just get it signed it off ?

[janitor_69]

Sydney_Diver once bubbled...


You did not mention
Have successfully completed the Tec Deep Instructor Standards Exam and the Tec Deep Instructor Theory and Practical Application Exam. (Testing will be available at select IEs.)

You must do the Instructor Exam at an IE or I think you can now do it with a qualified CD you can't do it on your own ?


i didn't know that... well app went through. where does it say you have to do at an ie, i just read it has to be signed by dsat instr.



testMeet the peer review waterskill requirements listed on the DSAT Tec Deep Instructor Application through the attesting signature of a DSAT Tec Deep Instructor or a PADI Instructor with an equivalent rating.

You do actually have to get in the water for this, not just get it signed it off ? [/B]

those skills i did on my iantd course so my instr signed it off...;)

[VaJames]

I can hardly read the post for all the BS contained within. Come on dude you have been caught in a lie. Troll alert?

James

[janitor_69]

VaJames once bubbled...
I can hardly read the post for all the BS contained within. Come on dude you have been caught in a lie. Troll alert?

James

So don't read it then. I haven't written any BS, trolls or whatever. It's about time to stop this post since you guys just don't get it, gotta go now, have a tec deep course starting..

:out:

[fins wake]

just got my dsat tec deep instructor rating. not planning to teach that, just took it since you can get it (like any other padi instructor rating) just with sending a few papers and money. no dives or courses involved. The fallacies,inaccuracies, errors and (most likely) down-right lies inherent in the above statement have already been mentioned. The standards have been clearly set out. What's more, where I live there is only one TecDeep instructor in the whole country. Several other skilled tec instructors attempted to gain the accreditation, but only one passed the academic exam which is - apparently - very difficult. (If the student course is anything to go by, this is definitely correct. Yes, I have experience of the course with the TecRec instructor in question. He is also a Trimix Instructor for another technical agency.)

In addition, I've spoken to Instructor Trainers from a third training agency in another part of the world. When I wanted to do this agency course they made the point that with the DSAT background I really was wasting my money.

Now, if there's any truth to janitor_69's claims, I'd like him to reveal himself to substantiate them. Personall I think he's a troll. The (highly unlikely) alternative would make him a cowboy instructor, someone who is teaching a course for which he is not qualified. I would take no course, recrational or otherwise, from him.

Please note, I'm not saying other agency courses (IANTD, TDI, ANDI) aren't very good. They are (depending on the instructor)! I'm just strongly opposing this troll arguing that
you can get it (like any other padi instructor rating) That is manifestly not true.
They have some listed qualifications as to experience levels and required certs but it seems people look the other way once $$$ get involved... If you know of any such examples occuring, you have an obligation as a PADI professional to report it to QA, Joe. You know that.
He was certified to teach other instructors and in his own words NEVER did any deco dives.. Thats scary.. Name and shame. To PADI QA if not publicly. It's your duty! This is a clear breach of standards, no two ways about it. DSAT TecDeep training dives Nine, Ten, Eleven and Twelve are all decompression dives. If the CD in question is a TecDeep instructor and hasn't done any decompression dives himself, he won't remain a TecRec instructor for long. And it's your duty to report him as a PADI MSDT. I repeat, you should know that.
I'm not implying there aren't any good DSAT instructors out there it just seems they went away from their original goal that not everyone was suited to become a dsat instructor... It seems they want to get the numbers up.... Is this based on your one example? Is this something that could happen at other organizations, such as ANDI? Could this happen in the rebreather field? Or in the trimix field? Or both ...?

I don't deny that there are aspects of the PADI course that are difficult to accept in certain regions. There is a reason there has been no TecDeep students certified in Sweden (but quite a few ApprenticeTecs). The main reason being the requirement that you exceed 48 metres on at least one TecDeep dive. This is a big hurdle in cold water, and not really a brilliant idea on air.

But I find the unsubstantiated comments that PADI is allowing the TecDeep standards to slip just another example of PADI-bashing. The fact that some PADI instructors are participating is very puzzling.

[padiscubapro]

fins wake once bubbled...
Please note, I'm not saying other agency courses (IANTD, TDI, ANDI) aren't very good. They are (depending on the instructor)! I'm just strongly opposing this troll arguing that That is manifestly not true. If you know of any such examples occuring, you have an obligation as a PADI professional to report it to QA, Joe. You know that. Name and shame. To PADI QA if not publicly. It's your duty! This is a clear breach of standards, no two ways about it. DSAT TecDeep training dives Nine, Ten, Eleven and Twelve are all decompression dives. If the CD in question is a TecDeep instructor and hasn't done any decompression dives himself, he won't remain a TecRec instructor for long. And it's your duty to report him as a PADI MSDT. I repeat, you should know that. Is this based on your one example? Is this something that could happen at other organizations, such as ANDI? Could this happen in the rebreather field? Or in the trimix field? Or both ...?


I wasn't at his training session to teach the dsat stuff so its only second hand stuff.. He told me all he had to do was a few simulated deco dives and I don't remember how deep he had to go.. I do know has done lots of ow instructor and specialty classes and heard he does a good job at them.

During the training I did with him we did 75m or 80m.. I don't remember exactly.. We were training several potential instrutors and we had more instructor trainers than there were students present (used it as a mini summit - we had ITS from 5 countries).. So everyone involved got the most out of the time and saw several styles of teaching..

The one incident isn't my only feel for the dsat progression. I have talked to many tecrec instructors over the past year plus and some were very good others, I really wonder..

I doubt it will happen at ANDI since its not ANDIs goal to be the biggest... just to grow at a reasonable rate.. In ANDI's history there have only been 110 ITs made (my number is higher but thats another story), in fact another IT can not be made in a region there is already an active IT present.. so no competition to cause short cuts. In fact I have trained some of my local competition to teach classes that I teach(diver level)... short cutting just isn't an issue, besdies any tech instructor short cutting will be caught very quickly since EVERY tech student gets a questioneer along with all RB students, so if someone is not doing the right thing, they will get caught.

I doubt ANDI is perfect but we try and stick to our standards and not bow to pressure.

I am a long time supporter of PADI for their recreational classes and I love the materials (I do like the older style of lecture driven classes as opposed to the now show the video and cover the key points thats done now..) I don't do alot of recreation stuff these days, since my time is consumed with my tech and rebreather classes just enough to stay current....

[fins wake]

I wasn't at his training session to teach the dsat stuff so its only second hand stuff Okay, that figures ... ;)
He told me all he had to do was a few simulated deco dives and I don't remember how deep he had to go No contradiction here. He might only be teaching the Apprentice Tec portion of the course and this is indeed simulated decompression dives (just like IANTD or TDI Advanced Nitrox). If on the other hand, all his dives are simulated decompression dives, he is in clear breach of standards. This is then his personal failing, not PADI:s, but I remind you that any active PADI professional is dutybound (for the sake of student safety - a laudable aim) to report this to PADI Quality Assurance ...
I have talked to many tecrec instructors over the past year plus and some were very good others, I really wonder.. This is probably true, but I venture this goes for all agencies. Even ANDI ... ;)
short cutting just isn't an issue, besdies any tech instructor short cutting will be caught very quickly since EVERY tech student gets a questioneer along with all RB students, so if someone is not doing the right thing, they will get caught. Same with the TecRec course, though, and besides, the standards for each exercise and dive is clearly laid out in the manual.
I doubt ANDI is perfect but we try and stick to our standards and not bow to pressure. That's a laudable aim. I also particularly like ANDI:s insistence of 16 hours of theory in the Inspiration course, for example. So sure, ANDI is a good agency. But methinks there's still a lot of uninformed conjecture about the TecRec course.

Oh, and I still believe janitor_69 is a troll ... :rolleyes: ;) :D

[sweatfrog]

It looks to me like the original question in this thread is being ignored. With that in mind, the advantage of extended range courses from agencies other than Dsat is in the small bites the customers can take. With the Dsat Course, the extensive time to complete this excellent course is an obsticle that customers need to understand upfront. That doesn't even tackle the two tests that most teckies couldn't pass without extensive studying.

With that said, you are spot on in regards to your comments sydney_diver.

As for you janitor_69, please refrain from making comments about something you obviously don't know, or have any knowledge. If you want to complete your Dsat course as an Instructor, you must take the tests from either a qualified CD or accomplish that at an IE.

I have heard people complain that PADI/Dsat wants to lower the bar. This course is definately not in that realm and shows that excellent materials can be produced, not just copies out of someones laptop.

[scubaguy]

So don't read it then. I haven't written any BS, trolls or whatever. It's about time to stop this post since you guys just don't get it, gotta go now, have a tec deep course starting..

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I am waiving the bullsh$%^& flag on this crap.

[bwerb]

Any particular reason for resurrecting a thread from July 2003?