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Would the cinch fit the unconventional backplate?
Wayne at DiveSeekers
February 26th, 2010, 02:05 PM
I think that the only plate other than a Halcyon, that will fit the "Cinch" Harness is the Hollis. I saw the Hollis and appearance wise, it looked identical (flared lower corners & Storage Pak lined up) to the Halcyon. Unfortunately, I was not able to match up the ABS Plate (comes with "Cinch" Harness) because I was sold out at the time (we have been going through a lot of them) that the Hollis plate was here. We have plenty of "Cinch" upgrades in stock now but I do not have the Hollis plate to confirm it would work.
If I may ask, why not just go with the Infinity System? In case you are interested, we have them In STK! Call me and I can hook you up!
Cinch Quick-adjust Harness | Halcyon Dive Systems (http://www.halcyon.net/bc/cinch)
Would the cinch fit the unconventional backplate?
WHy not just do one stop shopping and get a Halcyon evolove system, and be done with it? You will end up being Happier:D
Mayor
February 26th, 2010, 02:35 PM
WHy not just do one stop shopping and get a Halcyon evolove system, and be done with it? You will end up being Happier:D
:ppd:Very good point!!!!
keithdiver
February 26th, 2010, 02:47 PM
:ppd:Very good point!!!!
Thank you JIm, how goes it?
Mayor
February 26th, 2010, 02:55 PM
Snow day!!!! Well office day I guess..... Did you sign up for the GUE-F yet?
scuga
February 26th, 2010, 02:57 PM
Sure Wayne I'll take an infinity its looks perfect! send me a pm and I'll get you my address cc info etc so we can make this happen. I want the 40 lbs wing. Will I need an STA with that? I know the golem you don't need it. Now what I was looking to put together was a complete high quality rig for under 500 dollars with the cinch harness. Hopefully this infinity is around 500 dollars too give or take :D
BrotherBear
February 26th, 2010, 03:04 PM
I have also been looking at getting a BP/W setup and was looking at the DiveRite package at Dive Gear Express. Seems relatively economical and is Hog/DIR compatible if I should decide to go for tech diving in the future. It's just a tad over $400 for the basic setup including the SS BP.
I'm primarily attracted to the BP/W setup due to all the talk about streamlining, better trim characteristics, and minimizing weight...both of which the BP/W setup seems to be ideal for.
It also appears to me that the BP/W setup would be less bulky in size (but not lighter) for travel, given that my travel is to the islands and other than dive gear we're talking about 5 hawiian shirts, 3 pair of shorts, 2 bathing suits, and a shaving kit weight is less an issue than bulk.
Am I off base in going for Hog equipment as a beginner and maybe should stick to the jacket or baby step into a back inflate BCD?
Sorry if these additional questions hijack the thread but it seemed redundant to start another one so similar in subject.:shakehead:
TIA for thoughts and advice...I'm an unrepentant gear weenie and this is driving me nuts!:dork2:
Cinch Quick-adjust Harness | Halcyon Dive Systems (http://www.halcyon.net/bc/cinch)
Would the cinch fit the unconventional backplate?
Mayor
February 26th, 2010, 03:10 PM
You will find some very nice gear here as well.
https://www.deepseasupply.com/
scuga
February 26th, 2010, 03:18 PM
Hijack away bear. I don't care this place is to get information and I am in the same spot as you new to diving :)
I think that with how much people talk about going to BP/W as they get more experience that's a good indicator that chances are you will want to get a bp/w from the start and not buy stuff twice.
Especially if your thinking about DIR right now you know
http://www.golemgear.com has some of the best prices I have found for complete BP/W setups. You could peruse them they have more traditional plates as well.
I am in the same boat except I could care less about DIR. I really want an optimal setup so I guess if they renamed DIR into optimal scuba setup I would be into it.
a22shady
February 26th, 2010, 04:46 PM
You will be happy with Halcyon System. I have its a great Piece and Wayne is a great guy
Mattleycrue76
February 27th, 2010, 03:09 PM
Scuga you're right Golem gear rocks! I am not affiliated in ant way BTW but the deals they have right now are smokin. $360 for a comlpete BP/W combo.
Might I suggest just a simple HOG harness? You onlhave to adjust it once, after that it's the easiest, simplest, cheapest thing you could use. I started out with an adjustable "deluxe" harness but ended up not needing any of the adjustible options. It just kept getting in the way. Now I'm happy with a single piece of 2" webbing, a buckle, and a few D rings.
Cinch Quick-adjust Harness | Halcyon Dive Systems (http://www.halcyon.net/bc/cinch)
Would the cinch fit the unconventional backplate?
If you are looking for an adjustable harness, consider our G2 harness. It has been around for seveal years, used in some tough environments.
G2 adjustable diving harness (http://www.golemgear.com/p-472-golem-gear-g2-adjustable-diving-harness.aspx)
we also have in the combo
The Best of Golem Gear Harness/BP/Wing combo (http://www.golemgear.com/p-479-golem-gear-super-combo.aspx)
Cinch Quick-adjust Harness | Halcyon Dive Systems (http://www.halcyon.net/bc/cinch)
Would the cinch fit the unconventional backplate?
From the GUE website: A diver's harness should be rigged from one piece of webbing and should have no quick-release buckles or other failure points. Though plastic quick-release buckles seem to simplify the process of getting into and out of one's dive gear, these “savings” are illusory, putting a diver at greater risk that s/he would be without it. In many cases this could prove fatal
The cinch is a "quick release". They are selling you an item they claim could be "fatal".
Seems sort of weird.
The Golem Gear has quick releases as well but of course is not noted in the GUE website.
diver 85
February 28th, 2010, 02:27 AM
To all interested, be sure & give Edd a call @ Cave Adventurers--he usually has great prices, carries mainly DR I believe......
EDIT: ie I bought mine last year about this time when he was having a good sale going on--alum BP/wing, harness with crotch strap, & 2 delrin cam straps for under 250.....
DA Aquamaster
February 28th, 2010, 08:30 AM
From the GUE website: A diver's harness should be rigged from one piece of webbing and should have no quick-release buckles or other failure points. Though plastic quick-release buckles seem to simplify the process of getting into and out of one's dive gear, these “savings” are illusory, putting a diver at greater risk that s/he would be without it. In many cases this could prove fatal
The cinch is a "quick release". They are selling you an item they claim could be "fatal".
Seems sort of weird.
The Golem Gear has quick releases as well but of course is not noted in the GUE website.Yes and no.
It is not so much a quick release as it is a roller system that allows a one piece webbing to slide though the slot at the waist. That enables the shoulder straps to be adjusted via that lower slots on the plates by pulling on the waist straps. And to be fair, even if the roller broke, the strap will not detach from the plate.
To keep the waist D-rings in place, they live on little tails attached to the plate so that they remain stationary as the waist strap is shortened or lenghtened. In my opinion, this additional complexity is needed to make the adjustment system work but it is also additonal complexity that degrades the whole concept.
So, it is not technically a quick release. However plastic is involved and in my opinion, it greatly complicates a simple harness and resolves a non existant problem. In other words it is a total waste of money as there is zero need for the adjustment it offers and the added complexity just creates more to potentially go wrong.
Is it weird that Halycon is selling it? Not really. The GUE / DIR / Halcyon connection has weakened a lot in the last couple years. Halcyon is trying to make itself more appealing to purely recreational divers as well as to a broader spectrum of non kool-aid drinking technical divers and they no longer advertise a DIR connection. You will no longer see things like "Doing it right equipment company" or "DIR" on their label.
For reasons that totally escape me, they are selling tons of them however, so from a marketing persepctive it seems to be a success.
Mayor
February 28th, 2010, 09:40 AM
I have spent some time with the new Halcyon system and it's a very simple design. I find my self thinking about adding it to my BP for easy changes between the dry suit and the wet suit. Just getting lazy I guess. It is cheaper then having two rigs and would like to see new BP/W divers in the system. It can be removed at anytime a long the way!
TSandM
February 28th, 2010, 12:53 PM
Well, I'm not sure it's solving a nonexistent problem (the Cinch). I own three backplates, in large part because I'm simply too lazy to readjust stiff harness webbing when going from drysuit and thick undergarments to a thin wetsuit or drysuit with almost no undergarments. It may be cheaper and logistically better to make it easier to adjust one's harness. It is CERTAINLY a benefit for people who maintain rental fleets, or who teach in backplates.
DA Aquamaster
February 28th, 2010, 01:35 PM
The irony here is that many BP wing divers use tri glides or weight keepers on the webbing behind the plate to prevent it from sliding. The option has always been there to just leave them off to allow the webbing to slide in the slots.
I don't disagree with the value of being able to shorten the harness slightly when switching to a warm water exposure suit, but I'd prefer to just adjust as needed rather than adjust every time with a cinch system.
Personally, for switching between dry suit and 3mm wet suit, if I have to use the same plate, I split the difference and use smooth rather than toothed tri glides so that they stay put under normal use, but still allow the webbing to be pulled through the tri glides and plate for adjustments without a great deal of effort or rethreading.
And realistically, I use a SS plate for cold water and a AL plate for warm water anyway so a dedicated plate works better, and is not significantly more expensive than going with the cinch system.
BrotherBear
February 28th, 2010, 02:07 PM
And realistically, I use a SS plate for cold water and a AL plate for warm water anyway so a dedicated plate works better, and is not significantly more expensive than going with the cinch system.
Can you comment a bit on why the switch? Is it strictly a bouyancy thing with the different suits and all?
Also, I'd appreciate it if someone could comment in Dive Rite products, specifically their Travel27 EXP (I think that's the name of it) wing. Dive Gear Express has a pretty tempting (price wise anyway) package deal on what they are labeling a Hog BP/W setup. I'm ready to sip at the coolaid, too raw a beginner for big gulps but the plusses I've read about the equipment setup have me intrigued. I'm going to pull the trigger on a BP/W, a couple of add-ons, and some longer miflex hoses...I just need some one to tell me DR isn't the SCUBA Wally-Mart.
TIA
Wayne at DiveSeekers
March 1st, 2010, 01:15 PM
Can you comment a bit on why the switch? Is it strictly a bouyancy thing with the different suits and all?
Also, I'd appreciate it if someone could comment in Dive Rite products, specifically their Travel27 EXP (I think that's the name of it) wing. Dive Gear Express has a pretty tempting (price wise anyway) package deal on what they are labeling a Hog BP/W setup. I'm ready to sip at the coolaid, too raw a beginner for big gulps but the plusses I've read about the equipment setup have me intrigued. I'm going to pull the trigger on a BP/W, a couple of add-ons, and some longer miflex hoses...I just need some one to tell me DR isn't the SCUBA Wally-Mart.
TIA
DiveRite makes great Quality products as well. They are one of the leaders for that type of Gear. The Owner of DiveRite, Lamar Hires, is constantly doing the dives (Caves, Tec, Wrecks and reefs) himself, oppose to some of your other manufacturers that are just getting the gear made for them. We actually help run their "Tec Tour" for them when they come to Dutch Springs (PA). I would rather go with a leader, than a follower.
We have all of their products In Stock as well as the Miflex hoses. Feel free to contact me and I will take care of you.
Mattleycrue76
March 2nd, 2010, 03:00 PM
Dive Rite has a good reputation for quality gear. My personal experience with their Rec Wing has been on the subpar side. (defective inflator hose switch under warranty, defective butt dump valve replaced on recall One of the seam on the wing is coming undone). Their CS has been good and I would purchase and use their products at the right price. I wouldn't pay big premiums for them though. The deals on DR express are really good so no worries there. Maybe check out the offerings for HOG and Golem Gear as well. 27 lbs lift should be fine for warm water diving without craploads of exposure protection. For cold water I'd recomment something more in the 32-38 lbs lift range (for single tanks)
