DIR and vegetarianism

[Trixter]

Hello all,

From what I have been able to gather, the DIR side of diving tend to be on the "firm" side when it comes to selecting candidates. What I mean by that is some dive shops and instructors that teach DIRf have a "wish-list" of requirements that the potential student should have.

I have heard of DIR instructors that do not teach people who smoke, people who are overweight, etc.

One restriction that I have read about says that a DIR diver should be a vegetarian. Needless to say, that struck me as being a touch on the odd side. :confused:

But that opens up a whole new debate, as what kind of vegetarian do you need to be? There are three main "schools" of vegetarian thought....

First and most obvious is no red meat, that basically rules out beef(maybe not a bad thing what with mad cow and everything). The second is no meat period, but it is ok to have dairy products. The third and most strict is what's commonly referred to as the, "vegan". That means any product that has animal protein in it, or is made from animal protein is off limits, no milk, no cheese, no ice cream, no eggs, etc. That leaves you grains, vegetables, and spices.

So again, how far do you need to go before you are considered "pure" DIR?

Respectfully submitted,
Trixter

[Boogie711]

I believe you were looking for the "Troll" Section.

It can be located out on the sidewalk. You should go there now.

[cobaltbabe]

I don't think that the instructors want you to be veggies. There are instructors who are vegetarians but by no means have I experienced them pushing their beliefs on their students. As far as smoking, I think you will find that is an individual instructors decision. Re-read the posts. Even Doppler stated that he has had smokers go through his course but requested that he they don't smoke when he is around.

[Boogie711]

CB -

a) He just completely changed his post.

b) His name is "Trixter." Say it out loud.

c) He just completely changed his post.

What's that I smell? Oh yes - barbequed troll.

:D

[cobaltbabe]

You know this board can be intimidating even to people who have been on for a long time. Myself included. Trixter is asking questions because he is in search of knowledge. Yes it may seem strange some of the questions but why not answer them to the best of our ability and hopefully inspire a new diver.

I asked Trixter to put his post back up, so if you want to call him a troll then I am one too.

[Doppler]

Trixie... or Trickster or whatever.

You may be confusing the prerequisites for GUE diving instruction with those for certain martial arts training.

The Shaolin Temple -- a Buddhist Shrine situated in the Songshan Mountains of Henan province -- is an important and ancient center of Chinese kung-fu.

The temple has stood for more than 1500 years and for more than 1300 years has been famous for its "warrior monks."

Many people still travel there today to undertake martial arts, mediation and spiritual training. In order to obtain this training, one must be accepted by a master -- usually a monk with standing -- tenure if you will -- in the temple.

During the period of initial preparation, one is expected to eat the typical daily meal of the region's peasants -- a plain rich porridge or rice, millet and barley with some roasted nuts or locally grown vegetable. This is done to "quieten" one's spirit and focus the mind for the rigors of training. It also burns off body fat!! It is difficult for many westerners to adapt to this part of the training, but it is worthwhile sticking to it because of the clarity of mind that comes from removing toxins associated with processed foods and meats is quite remarkable.

In fact, almost no meat is allowed in the temple -- which actually spreads for acres and acres. Soya -- such as tofu and tempeh -- are uncommon in the region also. Sometimes, the novices will walk amoung the many vendors who cater to tourists and buy treats to supplement their diets, but mostly these are roasted veggies and sweets made from sugar, honey, rose water and crushed sesame seeds.


Meat is uncommon because this is a Buddhist Shrine... Most Buddhists refrain from eating anything that is a sentient being... anything which shows awareness of itself and its young. That being said, occasionally, villages or visitor to the temple will bring food as offerings to the monks, which may have some meat in it. In this area, birds and small mammals -- you don't want to know what species of small mammals -- may be mixed in with grains, spices and veggies, and it is considered "ill mannered" not to accept it and eat it... since the animal is already dead, the Karma from letting it waste is more serious that that from eating it.


Now where does this leave us... oh, yes.

A truely wonderful story about His Holiness the Deli Lama eating BBQ pork ribs and drinking Heinekin from the bottle, but that's for another time.

hope I've enlightened you... may you find what you are looking for.

[Boogie711]

I have no interest in seeing this turn into a DIR/anti-DIR debate.

Trixter, if your question was legitimate, for the record - I still think the question is a dumbassed one. And with some of the stupid DIR/Halcyon/GUE debates going on around here lately, please understand my suspicions.

I'm still suspicious - and there is nothing on the GUE site about being vegetarian. That being said - hey, I'm sorry man.

[pufferfish]

Trixter once bubbled...
Hello all,

So again, how far do you need to go before you are considered "pure" DIR?

Respectfully submitted,
Trixter

Now that is a loaded question;)

Try this thread for more info.
DIR and Vegetarianism (http://www.scubaboard.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=25275&highlight=vegetarianism)

[RichLockyer]

Andrew and JJ are vegetarians.
George and Cameron are not.

'nuff said.

[Uncle Pug]

... I get done barbequing the burgers... gotta go flip'em right now...

[cobaltbabe]

Uncle Pug once bubbled...
... I get done barbequing the burgers... gotta go flip'em right now...

And put a couple of veggie burgers on for Steve.

[Doppler]

cobaltbabe once bubbled...


And put a couple of veggie burgers on for Steve.

Uncle P... lots of hot peppers and some slices of avocado and tomato please...

I have eaten buffulo burgers.... very tasty... Buffulo is a vegetable isn't it? Or it that just their football team!!!!

Sorry guys... that one was coming right down the middle of the plate

[cobaltbabe]

Doppler once bubbled...


I have eaten buffulo burgers.... very tasty... Buffulo is a vegetable isn't it? Or it that just their football team!!!!



Oh no, now my image of you is completely blown Steve. LOL

[Uncle Pug]

Gooooooood!

BBQ burger and BBQ corn on the cob.

Vegetarian burgers of course... made from genuine ground up vegetarians.

[JeffG]

Uncle Pug once bubbled...
Gooooooood!
Vegetarian burgers of course... made from genuine ground up vegetarians.
Keyboard:D

[tektom]

Doppler once bubbled...

A truely wonderful story about His Holiness the Deli Lama eating BBQ pork ribs and drinking Heinekin from the bottle, but that's for another time.

hope I've enlightened you... may you find what you are looking for.

The DELI Lama? :confused:
Wouldn't it be appropriate for a Deli Lama to eat BBQ pork, maybe some smoked meat or a nice Reuben....:D

[Doppler]

tektom once bubbled...


The DELI Lama? :confused:
Wouldn't it be appropriate for a Deli Lama to eat BBQ pork, maybe some smoked meat or a nice Reuben....:D

You throw these things out there hoping someone will see the funny side... but that's not always the case... ;)

People take these postings far too seriously...

Take care

[Trixter]

Doppler once bubbled...
Trixie... or Trickster or whatever.

You may be confusing the prerequisites for GUE diving instruction with those for certain martial arts training.

The Shaolin Temple -- a Buddhist Shrine situated in the Songshan Mountains of Henan province -- is an important and ancient center of Chinese kung-fu.


The Indian Brahmin is also in that group as well...

[Bob3]

You throw these things out there hoping someone will see...Geez, next time put it in bold so us poor folks with cheap eyeglasses can read it !!:out:

[DrownedRat]

Doppler once bubbled...
Trixie... or Trickster or whatever.

You may be confusing the prerequisites for GUE diving instruction with those for certain martial arts training.



Nice bit of info!! But have you read the other restrictions they impose for body purification?? Let's see what I can remember....
No sex
No drugs
No alchohol, except in Jaow (spelling?)
No meat (covered above)
No hardcore sweets like chocolate
No smoking

I can't remember the rest, but the whole list basically disqualified me lol. I'll see if I can find the rest if anyone is interested, my Sifu gave me the list ages ago as sort of a joke (was always getting beaten on for smoking).

Cheers

[cobaltbabe]

Doppler once bubbled...


You throw these things out there hoping someone will see the funny side... but that's not always the case... ;)



And there are those who get you sense of humor and just can't type because we are chuckling too hard. Brains, good looking and a sense of humor too. AND HE DIVES!!!!!! LOL

[cobaltbabe]

Well there goes my chances of ever going tech. I eat meat, I drink every now and then, I even eat chocolate (but it is like a drug to me). Now the sex I can do without!!! ;)

[DrownedRat]

cobaltbabe once bubbled...
Now the sex I can do without!!! ;)

Lol, poor girl, sounds like you're not doing it right (dir) or should I say, not having it done right ;-) God now I'm even making dir jokes <insert shiver here> :D

[cobaltbabe]

Now if you have read any of my posts you should be able to tell that the last part was totally NOT TRUE. :D Thank goodness. And let me make it totally clear, that all aspects of my life are DIR (Replace doing with done). ;)

[Doppler]

DRat: You mean restrictions for martial arts training... yes! :) Or for becoming a Buddhist monk?

Sex, drugs and rock 'n' roll are definity out during initial training. So Keith Richards never actually finished his Lama studies!

Chocolate falls into the "weakness and worldly" category...

Smoking is ironic. I know some monks who do smoke. Always strikes me as odd that a Buddhist monk will sit in a shine for 20 hours a day breathing through a layer of incense smoke that's thicker than anything you'll find in the dingiest pool hall and to relax will light a cigarette.


Anyway, there you go.


OH.. P.S. and still have enough wind to beat the crap out of your non-smoking sorry ass.




DrownedRat once bubbled...


Nice bit of info!! But have you read the other restrictions they impose for body purification?? Let's see what I can remember....
No sex
No drugs
No alchohol, except in Jaow (spelling?)
No meat (covered above)
No hardcore sweets like chocolate
No smoking

I can't remember the rest, but the whole list basically disqualified me lol. I'll see if I can find the rest if anyone is interested, my Sifu gave me the list ages ago as sort of a joke (was always getting beaten on for smoking).

Cheers

[DrownedRat]

Doppler once bubbled...
DRat: You mean restrictions for martial arts training... yes! :) Or for becoming a Buddhist monk?

Sex, drugs and rock 'n' roll are definity out during initial training. So Keith Richards never actually finished his Lama studies!

Chocolate falls into the "weakness and worldly" category...

Smoking is ironic. I know some monks who do smoke. Always strikes me as odd that a Buddhist monk will sit in a shine for 20 hours a day breathing through a layer of incense smoke that's thicker than anything you'll find in the dingiest pool hall and to relax will light a cigarette.


Anyway, there you go.


OH.. P.S. and still have enough wind to beat the crap out of your non-smoking sorry ass.





I hear ya. My Sifu was a tiny little guy but tough things can come in small packages. He spent several years in a temple and has some very cool stories. Not for me though :-)

Oh and Cbabe, I figured as much ;-)

[cobaltbabe]

DrownedRat once bubbled...


Oh and Cbabe, I figured as much ;-)

I am fighting a horrible head ache today so I am off, oh heck lets be honest, I'm off most days. :D

[DrownedRat]

cobaltbabe once bubbled...


I am fighting a horrible head ache today so I am off, oh heck lets be honest, I'm off most days. :D

Well that's better than having an ear ache in your eye. I've heard that can be quite painful ;-0

[Air_Miser]

Well that's better than having an ear ache in your eye. I've heard that can be quite painful

Rat! I saw your eye today, it looked like it DID have an ear ache!?! LOL

Beats having Pink-Ear I suppose.......

Boy, this whole Shaolin Monk thing sounds just like marriage- No smoking, no sex, no drinking...except I haven't seen any mention of Monks having to re-paint the living room every 6 months?.....

[Bob3]

DIR & Vegetarianism, the logic almost falls into the "Cargo Cult" category, eh?
:tease:

[Doppler]

Bob3 once bubbled...
DIR & Vegetarianism, the logic almost falls into the "Cargo Cult" category, eh?
:tease:

Bob: not sure I fully understand the connection there, but if someone starts dropping decent kit and gavin scooters from heaven, sign me up!

[DrownedRat]

Air_Miser once bubbled...


Rat! I saw your eye today, it looked like it DID have an ear ache!?! LOL

Beats having Pink-Ear I suppose.......

Boy, this whole Shaolin Monk thing sounds just like marriage- No smoking, no sex, no drinking...except I haven't seen any mention of Monks having to re-paint the living room every 6 months?.....

Ya, it's my winking eye.. The sourse of all my powers! And me with a coffee date in an hour, wish me luck :)
On another more serious note, how about lock 21 tomorrow? Anyone else is welcome to join us.