Need Help with long hose routing

[gqllc]

I have been diving for close too 38 years and I am intrigued and open minded about this configuration! I have a 7' primary and a 24" backup but I will be diving recreational only. My cave diving days from the 1970's are ancient history!! So what I am looking for is the Hose routing of the primary using a single tank and a Zeagle BC as opposed to backplate(sold backplate when kids came along) I will not be using a cannister light. What I think is wonderful about the long primary is the sharing in OOA emergency. Most divers are panic stricken and I have had to defend myself as well as trying to keep the other diver alive! Unfortunately not all divers calmly swim over and give the OOA signal. How do I route the long hose?? I have read many articles on DIR but unfortunately I won't be able to take formal instruction for at least another year. Thanks for all those willing to help and for those that want to flame.....flame away:>)

[Wendy]

You may want to get a 5' hose since you don't have a canister light and it doens't sound as though you will be in an overhead.

[gqllc]

Hi, I posted this on Scubaboard as well. I am wondering how to route my long primary hose while I am wearing a Zeagle BC and single tank. Giving up my primary while using a bungeed backup is a great. I just need to know how to route for this recreational kind of divivg! Thanks ( I have been diving 38 years, I am a PADI DM but I am very open minded and always interested in learning) I do know that DIR is an entire approach to diving not just gear configuration!! I have always dove with a bailout pony bottle and octo. but regular configuration!

[Don Burke]

gqllc once bubbled... Hi, I posted this on Scubaboard as well. I am wondering how to route my long primary hose while I am wearing a Zeagle BC and single tank. Giving up my primary while using a bungeed backup is a great. I just need to know how to route for this recreational kind of divivg! Thanks ( I have been diving 38 years, I am a PADI DM but I am very open minded and always interested in learning) I do know that DIR is an entire approach to diving not just gear configuration!! I have always dove with a bailout pony bottle and octo. but regular configuration! Most jacket BCs don't lend themselves to a five or seven foot hose.

With a wing setup, the hose comes down the right side along the backplate to the belt.

I'm not familiar with the Zeagle. Is there a way to do something like this?

Does the Zeagle have a cummerbund? That may keep you from getting the hose out if you have it tucked in there.

[gqllc]

Karl, I agree!! I searched all over then finally gave up and read all the info I could on DIR websites!!! But they all discuss infusing this into recreational diving but with out detail! I live in FL now but I use to dive the Great lakes in Drysuits etc... Now I can jump in with a polarfleece or Lycra!!! This is why I am requesting help with this!

[gqllc]

Zeagle is back inflated weight integrated with a cummerbund. Do I bring hose down on the right and tuck into cummerbund then cross the chest and go under left arm and behind neck to mouth???

[Don Burke]

gqllc once bubbled... Zeagle is back inflated weight integrated with a cummerbund. Do I bring hose down on the right and tuck into cummerbund then cross the chest and go under left arm and behind neck to mouth??? I suspect a seven foot hose is not going to work for you with that BC.

My long hose comes down my right side along the backplate, into my belt up to the center of my chest, over my left shoulder and behind my head to the regulator in my mouth.

I don't see how you are going to get the hose into your cummerbund without running it through the right armhole.

Running the hose under your left arm defeats the purpose of having a long hose since you can't deploy it easily.

I also don't think you're going to be able to get the hose out of your cummerbund.

[Don Burke]

gqllc once bubbled... I searched all over then finally gave up and read all the info I could on DIR websites!!! But they all discuss infusing this into recreational diving but with out detail! I live in FL now but I use to dive the Great lakes in Drysuits etc... Now I can jump in with a polarfleece or Lycra!!! This is why I am requesting help with this! The long hose and jacket BCs usually don't go together well.

I would expect any long hose and jacket configuration that works well will be the exception.

[Walter]

"I posted this on Scubaboard as well."

You posted it twice on Scubaboard. Please don't create duplicate threads with multiple postings of the same post.

[gqllc]

Sorry Walter, I followed the web link from Deep Divers South and did not realize that it was a subsection already on Scubaboard. My apologies.,

[gqllc]

What about a elastic wide band like Zeagle use to use on their Sentinal Octopus??? The hose "wraps" inside the elastic untill it needs to be deployed. (It is about a 4' hose) Could a 7' hose work the same or would it stress the low pressure hose to much?

[pipedope]

I route the long hose pretty much like you would on a BP/wing rig.
The hose hooks under the pocket on the right side similar to hooking on a canister.

[spurtill]

I could be TOTALLY misunderstanding the issue here, but why not just get two wide elastic band and put them on you main tank. You take the hose and make a U out of all the extra length you want rid of. Then you stick the U in behind the two elastic bands. The bands hold the excess hose out of the way but if you give the hose a good tug it will come out from behind the bands and you have the length you need?

I've seen a few guys in the club do this. they get old car tyre tubes and cut inch strips off it giving them elastic rings big enough to fit their bottles and thick enough not to keep breaking (and cheap too :-))

[detroit diver]

Not meaning to be picky (well, yes I am), but what you're asking isn't DIR, or remotely DIR.

No backplate.
Cumberbund.
Stuffed long hose in bands.

I think you should have titled this:

Need help stowing a long hose.

[baenglish73]

I haven't taken the DIR-F class, though I'm sure I'll get the answer to this question when I do.

I was looking through JJs book. It looks to me as though the 7' hose gets tucked under the light, and the 5' hose simply hangs under the right arm to-> the left shoulder->around the back of the neck-> feeding to the mouth from the right side of your head. (Don't read that too literally).
1) Is that description of the 5' hose accurate?

2) When does this hose get tucked into a belt?
3) If it is tucked into a belt, is it tucked in like a slip-knot. Or is it fed through the belt and pinned to your body effectively creating a fixed pivot point at the waist?

Just wondering.


P.S. Not to get off-topic......On page 77, if you have a goodman-handled light head attached to your right hand and then give your primary regulater to your OOA buddy with your right hand :wacko: won't you blind your buddy?

[detroit diver]

baenglish73 once bubbled...
I haven't taken the DIR-F class, though I'm sure I'll get the answer to this question when I do.

I was looking through JJs book. It looks to me as though the 7' hose gets tucked under the light, and the 5' hose simply hangs under the right arm to-> the left shoulder->around the back of the neck-> feeding to the mouth from the right side of your head. (Don't read that too literally).
1) Is that description of the 5' hose accurate?

2) When does this hose get tucked into a belt?
3) If it is tucked into a belt, is it tucked in like a slip-knot. Or is it fed through the belt and pinned to your body effectively creating a fixed pivot point at the waist?

Just wondering.


P.S. Not to get off-topic......On page 77, if you have a goodman-handled light head attached to your right hand and then give your primary regulater to your OOA buddy with your right hand :wacko: won't you blind your buddy?

1. Yes on the 5 ft hose routing.
2. It gets tucked into the belt if there is enough left over to flop around. Most 5 footers won't let you tuck anything unless you are very short and thin. They're just too short.
3. I'm not sure what you mean by pivot point. You just take the extra hose and slip it into the belt on the right side of your waist belt. The belt holds it in place, but allows it to come out freely if you need to donate.

I have a feeling that that picture was not the best choice-for exactly the reason that you state.

[CincyBengalsFan]

detroit diver once bubbled...
Not meaning to be picky (well, yes I am), but what you're asking isn't DIR, or remotely DIR.

No backplate.
Cumberbund.
Stuffed long hose in bands.

I think you should have titled this:

Need help stowing a long hose.

Are BP/ & Wings mandatory for DIR?

[Don Burke]

CincyBengalsFan once bubbled... Are BP/ & Wings mandatory for DIR? Yes

[gqllc]

Since I started this I realize that the subject should have been "Need Help with long hose routing". Since this is not DIR or even close, I think that after reading many articles on DIR and Philosophy of DIR wanting to promote recreational diving as well I thought that maybe a "union" of the both (I know blasphemy!!!) would be good. I for one would not do everything that DIR does however I think they have some fantastic ideas that should be incorporated to recreational diving. I for one have experienced so "many" unqualified "certified" divers that it is scary. Just because you are certified definately does not mean you are qualified! My brother inlaws sister drowned in 9 feet of water due to her "buddy" having an OOA emergency. Mostly I have been diving solo for the past 15 years. 99.9% of OOA divers will grab your primary in a panic and also "freak out" as well. Having the longer hose helps give me a chance to assess the situation (hopefully) and get the panicy diver "off" my back so I can hopefully keep both of us alive. I have received privately some great ideas that confirmed my thoughts on this subject and want to thank all that were willing to provide input. Thanks Steve