What has been happening in Kingston/Picton??

[Col.Cluster]

Folks,

I heard a rumour that Clive Cussler, Mike Fletcher, and James Degotto have been seen setting up in the Pt. Traverse area. Does anyone know what they are searching for? Are they going after that deep freighter that no-one has found yet or are they working with that group of Avro Arrow seekers that dove out of NTD a couple of times this past summer?

It is interesting that they started working just after the summer season wound down. Thanks in advance for any detailed information.

All the best
CC

[Axeman]

Clive Cluster... that is funny....

Mike is from my home town...... My wifes family knows him apparently....

Mabey I can find out some local gossip.. :)

[Col.Cluster]

Axeman once bubbled...
Clive Cluster... that is funny....



Sorry folks,
That should read Clive Cussler.
All the best
CC

[divedude]

Col.Cluster once bubbled...
Folks,

I heard a rumor that Clive Cussler, Mike Fletcher, and James Degotto have been seen setting up in the Pt. Traverse area. Does anyone know what they are searching for? Are they going after that deep freighter that no-one has found yet or are they working with that group of Avro Arrow seekers that dove out of NTD a couple of times this past summer?

It is interesting that they started working just after the summer season wound down. Thanks in advance for any detailed information.

All the best
CC

You shouldn't repeat rumors...NUMA might get you!

Funny you would hear that...........

I got a phone call this morning.......... Questions were asked about a certain airplane!!!

I know nothing..... I said nothing......

[Col.Cluster]

divedude once bubbled...


You shouldn't repeat rumors...NUMA might get you!



It always reminds me of a punk song from the 80’s.

“It first was a rumor dismissed as a lie
Then came the evidence none could deny
A double page spread in the Daily Gazette
The Russians are running the D.H.S.S.……”

I can only remember some of the lyrics. The group’s name escapes me. The tune was on a compilation album “The History of Punk Rock”. It was a great album until someone decided to borrow it.

All the best
CC:mean: :mean: :mean:

[Tom R]

Col.Cluster once bubbled...


It always reminds me of a punk song from the 80’s.

“It first was a rumor dismissed as a lie
Then came the evidence none could deny
A double page spread in the Daily Gazette
The Russians are running the D.H.S.S.……”

I can only remember some of the lyrics. The group’s name escapes me. The tune was on a compilation album “The History of Punk Rock”. It was a great album until someone decided to borrow it.

All the best
CC:mean: :mean: :mean:

Check you pm
Tom

[knives]

If they want to find anything ,they should have TOM R along......;)

[divedude]

knives once bubbled...
If they want to find anything ,they should have TOM R along......;)

LOL :D :D

Only after I tell him were they are :)

[Tom R]

So much for my ancient chinese secret eh.

Tom R

[Musselweenie]

Several boats have been out this summer looking for the avro

[Musselweenie]

an interesting piece of an email thaat passed by me....

Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 5:26 AM
Subject: Re: Avro


> Photo 1 shows on the right hand side where the model Avros plowed into the
> lake borrom at over 1,089 mph. As the model plowed along the bottom it
> slowed down and the skid mark gets smaller. Photo 2 shows at the end of
> this skid mark an outline which looks like a side of a delta wing plane in
> accordance with the outline of an arrow. The black line at the back is
> where the one wing section touched the bottom and plowed along goughing
the
> bottom until the whole plane slowed down and just dropped unto the lake
> bottom. The one side is partially covered

[NewbieDiver]

If I was a Kingston or Picton local diver I would say nothing to Clive Cussler or his buddys
They come into a area like that, bull-poop the locals because they are "famous", find out any wreck secrets from anyone willing to talk. Then take all the credit, say look what we found, and produce a TV show or write a book and the poor local bastard who spent years and time and money finding and studying old shipwrecks get NOTHING. Not even a mention in the credits.

The worst part is that people believe that a guy like that can come into a area and search for 2 or 3 weeks and find something that locals have been looking for years for. "Dumb local hick divers"

[divedude]

Musselweenie once bubbled...
an interesting piece of an email thaat passed by me....

Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 5:26 AM
Subject: Re: Avro


> Photo 1 shows on the right hand side where the model Avros plowed into the
> lake bottom at over 1,089 mph. As the model plowed along the bottom it
> slowed down and the skid mark gets smaller. Photo 2 shows at the end of
> this skid mark an outline which looks like a side of a delta wing plane in
> accordance with the outline of an arrow. The black line at the back is
> where the one wing section touched the bottom and plowed along gouging
the
> bottom until the whole plane slowed down and just dropped unto the lake
> bottom. The one side is partially covered

I think you missed putting a photo in!
From info I've heard and seen, that is the booster rocket not the Avro.
1,089 mph????? on the bottom!!! in water!!! "amazing"

But then................ Check my signature line. "one man's opinion"...

[Tom R]

Why not just post where you found that pic

http://www.oceanscan.com/marine/photos.htm

Tom

[Axeman]

NewbieDiver

obviously you know very little about the Sea Hunters.

in all of the shows, they picture them interviewing locals for info, doing 100's of hours of research, etc. It is known that they use this info with LOTS of research and some technical toys to find these wrecks.

to add to that. it is not a few weeks, they say right int he shows that some of these wrecks have taken years of both research and diving. they ofter have to come back several years in a row. they just package it up in a nice tv show for us to watch. but is you pay attention you would already know this.

This is why it works. They have Cussler who has the bucks and the interest. They have a Dive co-ordinator, a historian and an archaeologist. Plus numerous support people.They each do thier part and when you put that together... shazam.. you find wrecks.

The local diving guys probably don't have all that expertise and usually don't work together well. ergo, no team work no specialized research. no wrecks. Most people want to be the one guy and not share anything.

oh yeah. and if others found the wrecks, and they were taking all the glorry saying that they found it. I don't think that they would be respected by the media or such people as national Geo.

for instance check out the atlantic. Mike Fletcher found it in 1984 and they did a show on him and how he found it and they even made him a member of SH because he has the right attitude towards the wrecks and history.

Perhaps you need to have a better idea about how they do their work before you comment.

Check out SeaHunters.net and look at their latest project where they show in the photo gallery tonnes of pics on the head of the project (who is not a sea hunter) and they show lots of photos of forign divers doing the work. They are just there to tell the story.

[Musselweenie]

Do you know what this is???

[divedude]

Musselweenie once bubbled...
Do you know what this is???

Um.... A wing from a booster rocket?
Found by a OPP officer maybe.

[Musselweenie]

Its a wing from one of the NIKE missles the AVRO model was mounted on found near the scan site.

[Butch103]

Musselweenie once bubbled...
an interesting piece of an email thaat passed by me....

Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 5:26 AM
Subject: Re: Avro


>

CHeck out the date folks. This came from the future. Or from someone across the international dateline....

[Musselweenie]

OR a press release for tomorrow???

[NewbieDiver]

Axeman once bubbled...
NewbieDiver

obviously you know very little about the Sea Hunters.

in all of the shows, they picture them interviewing locals for info, doing 100's of hours of research, etc. It is known that they use this info with LOTS of research and some technical toys to find these wrecks.

to add to that. it is not a few weeks, they say right int he shows that some of these wrecks have taken years of both research and diving. they ofter have to come back several years in a row. they just package it up in a nice tv show for us to watch. but is you pay attention you would already know this.

This is why it works. They have Cussler who has the bucks and the interest. They have a Dive co-ordinator, a historian and an archaeologist. Plus numerous support people.They each do thier part and when you put that together... shazam.. you find wrecks.

The local diving guys probably don't have all that expertise and usually don't work together well. ergo, no team work no specialized research. no wrecks. Most people want to be the one guy and not share anything.

oh yeah. and if others found the wrecks, and they were taking all the glorry saying that they found it. I don't think that they would be respected by the media or such people as national Geo.

for instance check out the atlantic. Mike Fletcher found it in 1984 and they did a show on him and how he found it and they even made him a member of SH because he has the right attitude towards the wrecks and history.

Perhaps you need to have a better idea about how they do their work before you comment.

Check out SeaHunters.net and look at their latest project where they show in the photo gallery tonnes of pics on the head of the project (who is not a sea hunter) and they show lots of photos of forign divers doing the work. They are just there to tell the story.

I see your from Port Dover. So are you a fan of Mike or friend?
I know Mike from back in the Atlantic days and I guess the "right attitude" is quietly stripping anything of value off a wreck.

All I can say to you long winded defence of them is.
Once Bitten Twice Shy!

Most of my diving is around Port Burwell and Long Point

[Axeman]

Mike Fletcher has openly admitted to removing artifacts from the wreck. he stated that he removed anything that was in plain view and used these items to identify the wreck.

he also removed the stuff that was in the open to make sure it did not get pilfered.

check out the museum in PD and you will see all of the artifacts where they can be envoyed by the public. They have an entire floor dedicated to the Atlantic.

from what I understand Mike is also hooked up with an association of museums that will be sharing the artifacts for research/public display.

The right attitude is making sure that these artifacts do end up in a museum not in some divers shelf at home where it can't be studied and enjoyed.

how about those guys from califonia who came up and openly stated that they were going to strip the wreck and sell the stuff for 60mil. Mike used the court system to stop them and now guess where the artifacts are? a museum.