Why no computers for DIR?

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Hi, new to all this so bear with me.. Recently discovered the DIR ideal through this board and seen that computers are considered a no-no.

i'm interested in why. I understand the rationalle that you should be able to do the calculations and use tables, but on a multilevel recreational dive you're all over the place from time to time. To me this is where a computer really scores, because it gives me my nitrogen time based on my actual dive rather than a theoretical ideal.

Do DIR divers just take bottom time and max depths for their calculations.

Thanks,

J.
 
The DIR folks have a system whereby one can work out what amount to averages and write them down on "wet-notes", or run them in your head, "on the fly" so to speak. They also believe that computer use will "rot your brain".

Obviously, a wet computer, programmed with a good deco algorithm, can read your position in the water column and re-compute results faster than any human. The DIR system does work. It's just that there are times when the computer is much more accurate, as you might expect.

As for computers rotting your brain, if that were so, our very own Dr. Bruce Wienke, of Los Alamos National Laboratories, would be a vegetable. I like to say: CDRYB / LOUD !!! (Computers Don't Rot Your Brain / Lack Of Use Does.:wink:
 
Great link Spggster...I totally forgot about MHK's thread...time for another bookmark thingy.
 
My local DIR compliant dive shop sells computers but I asked the owner the same question. Why don't DIR divers believe in using computers. He replied, "If my brain fails down there I am dead anyways with or without a computer." He just chooses not to use the computer because he feels that it will weaken his skills. I can't argue with that philososphy but I use a computer and will continue to use one for any recreational dives. For deco I would just bend the hell out of it and I will use a slate and wet notes for my stops.
 
Here's the DIR logic from the source:

Baker's Dozen for not using a Dive Computer By Jarrod Jablonski


1) Dive computers tend to induce significant levels of diver dependance,
eliminating the awareness so common and essential to all diving but
particularly obvious when diving tables

2) Dive computers do not allow proper planning as divers can't properly
"study" the impact of various mixture and decompression choices.

3) Dive computers are of very limited educational benefit as they do not
induce questioning, or proper planning discussions as can be found with
tables and most particularly with deco programs

4) Dive computer programmers often play games with computational process
so that they can take insulate themselves from the risk of taking
largely square profile data and utilizing it on a multilevel dive. These
games tend to result in odd and often ridiculous levels of conservation.

5) Dive computers are expensive and in some cases leave divers with
limited resources carrying equipment that is of far less benefit than
other equipment that may have been purchased.

6) Dive computers significantly limit the likelihood that divers will
track their residual nitrogen groups.

7) Dive computers do not allow for Helium diving in any formats but the
bulkiest and most questionable format.

8) Dive computers will often generate longer decompressions than could
be figured by an astute, well educated diver with experience.

9) Dive computers often create confusion by giving the user to much
useless information, sometimes even obscuring depth and time in favor of
blinking CNS and/or deco limitations.

10) Dive computers can become very difficult to properly if a deco stop
has been violated. Some computers lock up completely while others just
beep or generate erroneous and distracting information. Divers using
mixed gasses are likely to often violate computer profiles.

11) Dive computers do not allow for the educated diver to properly
modify their decompression to account for advancing knowledge such as
the use of deeper stops in a decompression profile.

12) Dive computers do not offer divers as much flexibility in the
generation of profiles with varying conservation. For example the right
mix would allow 100 min at 60 vs 60 at 60 but I might prefer to do one
or the other and indeed might like a compromise. Computers confuse this
issue by not providing divers with the proper information.

13) Dive computers users often ignore table proficiency and therefore do
not learn tables properly. When confronted with a situation where they
can't dive the computer (failure, loss, travel etc) these divers are at
a serious handicap.
 
Uncle Pug once bubbled...

Why would someone with no understanding of how it is done insist on answering the question?
:D

(1) I have a pretty good understanding of the system. Your assumption that I have not investigated it is unfounded.

(2) I would have to say that I agree with a lot of what JJ has to say, as posted above by Kendall Raine.

(3) I think that the insistence on NOT using computers is archaic.

(4) CDRYB / LOUD
Computers Don't Rot Your Brain / Lack Of Use Does!
 
Uncle Pug once bubbled...

Why would someone with no understanding of how it is done insist on answering the question?
:D

Why would a board have activists as moderators?

You would think representives of a board wouldn't insist on insulting their users. Without the posts of the users, the board would be useless.
 
BigJetDriver69 once bubbled...
I have a pretty good understanding of the system. Your assumption that I have not investigated it is unfounded.
I would really like to read your description of how it is done BJD so I can conclude that you have a pretty good understanding of the system.
:D
 
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