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jcxd45
June 2nd, 2012, 02:34 AM
New diver here, I have been collecting my own set of gear for the last two months.
Mostly used CL stuff, a lot of people get out of this sport as quickly as they get in.
I have a trip to the Puget Sound next Friday and hope that I have everything I may need.
Anyway, I have:
7 mil John/Jacket/hood, 6 mil booties and 3 mil gloves (upon reccomendation it's better to have cold hands then reduced dexterity)
Fins w/extra strap/buckles
Two masks (with sea drops) and snorkels...I plan to carry the extra mask in my bc pocket while diving, wouldn't want to have to surface after possibly losing a mask might even help with finding it
Reg's serviced and tested once in a pool.
BC w/weight pouches and a weight belt (seems like a good idea to split up the weight so any loss/ditch is less of a buoyancy change)
Console with pressure gauge, computer, and compass
1000 lum primary light and a tec80 as a backup (I'm just getting started and am in over $1000 already)
1 aluminum 80 yoke and 2 aluminum 92's din, reg setup and tested for din and I have a yoke adapter.
Spare Air :shakehead: Don't know why the hatred, I like to have a 4th option for no air situations (buddy, octo, spare air cesa)
Goodie Bag, Safety sausage, whistle, primary and bc knife, coulple of snap locks
Start on a save a dive kit (silicone grease, o-rings, tools, manuals for everything, etc.)
OW card and dive log

Is there anything I'm missing?

Rich Keller
June 2nd, 2012, 07:49 AM
The spare mask it the BCD pocket seems like overkill and the Spare Air would only be useful in shallow water dives. You are going to have to weigh your need for dexterity vs having cold hands. Very cold hands can reduce your dexterity more then thick gloves. The rest looks good assuming you have a reel to go with the safety sausage. I would recommend carabiners instead of snap locks as these are easier to work with when you are wearing gloves.

Searcaigh
June 2nd, 2012, 08:05 AM
You appear to have all bases covered.

Spare mask on a dive is overkill IMHO unless you are planning to change them underwater. You have a hood and if the mask strap is under the hood you should not lose it. The only time I carry a spare mask is when I am trying out a new one and it will serve as a backup should the new feel right etc. I usually carry a spare mask on dive trips but have never had to use one.

+1 on the reel for the safety sausage / SMB

As for all the poo pooing of Spare Airs, having some is better than none and can be used in conjunction with CESA to reach the surface easily from 20M. Personally though a pony with regulator is a better option. As long as you monitor your air you should really never have use for either option unless something drastic happens to you air supply such as uncontrollable free flow from your main tank. In the many years of diving I have never seen this happen underwater.

Enjoy your first dive trip

jar546
June 2nd, 2012, 08:10 AM
A tarp to stand on if you don't have asphalt or concrete to stand on when getting your gear on/off and changed. Don't know if you are doing shore diving or what.

kdsmithjr
June 2nd, 2012, 08:13 AM
The spare mask it the BCD pocket seems like overkill and the Spare Air would only be useful in shallow water dives. You are going to have to weigh your need for dexterity vs having cold hands. Very cold hands can reduce your dexterity more then thick gloves. The rest looks good assuming you have a reel to go with the safety sausage. I would recommend carabiners instead of snap locks as these are easier to work with when you are wearing gloves.
It does seem a little like overkill to me too. I'd advise him to watch his gauges more and not bother with the spare air.

DivemasterDennis
June 2nd, 2012, 09:32 AM
I rarely carry a spare mask on my person, and have never carried spare air. I would also add that I have a pair of 5 mil gloves that I use in water under 59 degrees and dexterity is still ok. 3 mil may suffice, however.
DivemasterDennis

Lee Taylor
June 2nd, 2012, 10:13 AM
mask

fins

scuba unit

i'm ready to dive

Scuba_Noob
June 2nd, 2012, 11:24 AM
At the minimum, I'd take my reg set, my dive computer, my mask/snorkel, and maybe my compass. I really don't like to pack everything, as the dive vacation company likely has cheap gear rentals (if not, I may reconsider) and it just seems like too much stuff for a plane. I just pack the gear on which my life depends.

Also, I'd bring my logbook and my CO analyzer (some may consider that overkill).

If it's local (i.e., a drive), I'd bring everything but the tanks. If it's going to be in cold water, I'd bring my drysuit.

jcxd45
June 2nd, 2012, 12:44 PM
Thanks for the replies!
It is a driving trip to Mikes Beach Resort on Hood Canal, so I assume shore dives.
I'll take the advice and leave the spare mask behind on my dives.
Keeping the spare air until I can add a pony/reg combo.....drysuit is higher in the list but they're $$$$$

Quero
June 2nd, 2012, 09:53 PM
Check whether you are required to tow a flag, and if so whether one of your team will have one.
You might want to include a slate and a pencil.
Consider how your lights are powered and how long the burn time is... do you need spare batteries?

eelnoraa
June 2nd, 2012, 11:19 PM
Besides what everyone has said. I do recommend bring an extra mask with you on the trip, but not necessary on a dive. For rec dive, if you lose a mask, do you really want to replace it underwater and continue? I would just end the dive, and use the spare on the next.

As for spare air, I think the key here is that if you monitor your air, you will never need it. So why bring it? If you bring it with you, so that you can be lazy and not pay attention to your air, this is a wrong reason for having spare air.

reefduffer
June 2nd, 2012, 11:30 PM
Consider DAN dive insurance. Scuba Diver Accident Insurance (http://www.diversalertnetwork.org/insurance/)

Plenty of threads here on SB discussing it, here's a quick couple:
http://www.scubaboard.com/forums/general-travel-vacation-discussions/420394-dan-insurance-worth.html
http://www.scubaboard.com/forums/basic-scuba-discussions/86292-dan-members-dan-insurance-you-do-you.html
http://www.scubaboard.com/forums/content/301-dive-insurance.html#comments

And a search will find you dozens more. Don't leave the surface without it ...

viperwsu
June 2nd, 2012, 11:41 PM
I live by and dive in Puget Sound all the time. I'd really recommend 5mm gloves, or you might not enjoy your diving because your fingers are freezing.

Also...why go on a dive trip and not bring a camera? There are lots of critters here - nudibranches, crab, shrimp, sponges, starfish, jelly fish, etc etc.

+1 for DAN. Dive injuries can be spendy.

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weitodive
June 2nd, 2012, 11:45 PM
Beer for after the dive. Sounds like either you or someone else has already mentioned the rest.

jcxd45
June 3rd, 2012, 01:22 PM
I live by and dive in Puget Sound all the time. I'd really recommend 5mm gloves, or you might not enjoy your diving because your fingers are freezing.

Also...why go on a dive trip and not bring a camera? There are lots of critters here - nudibranches, crab, shrimp, sponges, starfish, jelly fish, etc etc.

+1 for DAN. Dive injuries can be spendy.

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Not bringing a camera on this trip since it's my first dives since certifying in Cabo and my first dives in cold water/low vis.

I'd like to just focus on getting my basics down, taking pictures will come once I have improved my basic skills.

Hopefully whoever I wind up buddying with will take some pics.

Right now, I can't wait to get back in the water and this will be my first opportunity.

I have been learning all that I can from this site, it's time to start putting it to practice.

The reason I prefer to have an alternate air source is for equipment failure....while very rare, a complete primary failure forcing me to Cesa w/o a good breath to start terrifies me.

I do check my pressure frequently.....probably to a fault.....but I'd like to have an option if I'm completely OOA due to equip failure and my buddy is out of contact.

While your buddy should never be out of contact, from the stories that I hear from locals the low vis can cause issues unless your holding hands.....may be okay depending on who your dive buddy is:D

A pony with reg is my goal long term, but this will appease my need for redundancy for now...you'll notice that everything has a backup in my current kit.

I also do some competitive shooting and they have a saying....Two is One when One is None

At work, we need to change toxic gas cylinders and we use a house air system with....a small escape cylinder in case of an equipment failure....I have worn one of these for every gas change but no one has ever actually needed one.

Does that make it bad to carry one?

It seems even more important in a hostile environment like underwater to me.

p1p
June 3rd, 2012, 01:37 PM
Vyper hit it, 3mm gloves will be way way too cold for the nw here. You dont need to carry a spare mask, and at Mikes, you arent far from Hoodsport Dive to the south if you need anything else.

I assume you are aware of other other nearby sites (Jorsted, Octopus Hole and Sund just for a few).

Note: lately the viz is really sucky, although flagpole just had a good viz report.

For dive buddies, info, etc there is an active board in the northwest, you can pm me for if you are interested.

I'd skip the spare air, they just dont carry enough air. That's what a dive buddy is for. But if you going to solo dive, I suppose its better than zero/nothing.

NAUIWOWI
June 3rd, 2012, 02:16 PM
Trauma shears, for entanglements that require more than the knife. As for the spare air, better to carry that than a spare mask, IMO. pony bottle is better, and you are already planning for that.

jcxd45
June 10th, 2012, 11:00 PM
Dive trip update, things were very interesting.....still have so much to learn!
First dive, me one new AOW diver and one more experienced AOW diver.
Didn't have enough weight, aborted dive and got loaned an extra 4 lbs.
Went back out and had a fantastic dive...the more experienced diver found the boats sunk near the dock and we checked them out...saw my first ling.
The pleasant surprise was that I wasn't very cold, my core started to get a little chilly after 15 min at 50', the 3mm gloves were fine, then my first major problem hit.
I accidentally kicked the boat and my fin strap came unbuckled and floated away.
Definitely need to work on keeping my mind focused underwater....I know they float but I was looking around on the bottom.
When it hit me it was too late, my dive buddies tried to grab it but were unsuccessful.
We had to surface at that point and then I had a long surface swim to retrieve it.
I learned to not use the buckles underwater, have them pre-buckled and loose then pull on and tighten.
I buckled one side and then pulled on both sides to tighten, they held at that point but I didn't have a fin problem on any other dives.
Second dive was my best experience diving so far.
Me and one other less experienced diver, things were uneventful saw lots of wildlife...even had a cabezon attack me!!!!!
Last dive was a night dive, uneventful for the first 30 minutes....night is definitely freaky though.
Looking up and seeing true nothingness above, definitely something to experience but kinda scary.
Then my second problem hit, at some point I got the left BCD weight released caught on something...my console line or glove strap not sure.
The next thing I know I can't stay down, we were at about 20-25 feet and I'm ascending out of control.
I immediately start dumping air from my BC and lungs as fast as I can but it's not helping.
I manage to get inverted and am kicking as hard as I can but keep going up and see my buddies lights descending below me.
I also managed to get some kind of a spin and vertigo thing going because I just remember kicking as hard as I could but seeing the lights spinning into the distance.
Next thing I know, my fins are breaking the surface so I right myself and inflate my BC and wait for the other 2.
They show up within 45 seconds, took them a second to notice and then they found my light above them.
I told them to finish their dive and I started to surface swim in, was rolling hard to one side and that's when I discovered the missing weight and it all started making sense.
So I lost 10 lbs in weight and a BC pouch.....but had some of the coolest experiences of my life.
Can't wait to go back next month and catch some of those big Dungeness!!
Also the guy from the first dive lives in Seattle and is going to hit Edmonds with me in Aug.
My network is beginning!!!!

DukeAMO
June 11th, 2012, 12:07 AM
Well, for someone newly certified, I think you handled a few difficult situations well enough. Eventful dives, to be sure.

TSandM
June 11th, 2012, 06:43 AM
Oh, my goodness, what a day!

Glad you were warm enough, and came out okay, and saw some cool stuff.

Comments: 1) Spring straps. I don't know why all fins don't come with them, or why everyone doesn't use them. Spring straps rock -- they are easy to get in and out of, and they WON'T LET GO!

2) Consider distributing your weight. Integrated weight pouches are theoretically attractive -- but the systems that secure them are trying to do two diametrically opposed things at the same time. They are trying to retain the weights securely, and allow them to be easily released. It's hard to do both things well, and most systems don't. Either it's a pain to release the weights, or they release too easily. In my analysis of diving, it's almost inconceivable that you would need to release your weights in a screaming hurry, and never underwater; on the other hand, loss of a significant chunk of weight can result in precisely what you experienced. Therefore, I prefer systems that weight the odds toward NOT losing weights.

Night diving can be disorienting, even if you aren't having buoyancy issues. Track your bubbles -- in the absence of violent currents, they WILL go up.

Come back and see us some time . . . I'd be delighted to meet up with you for a Puget Sound dive or two. If you can look at your experiences of the day and focus on what delights you, you are the kind of diver I want to be in the water with.

jcxd45
June 13th, 2012, 12:19 AM
Oh, my goodness, what a day!

Glad you were warm enough, and came out okay, and saw some cool stuff.

Comments: 1) Spring straps. I don't know why all fins don't come with them, or why everyone doesn't use them. Spring straps rock -- they are easy to get in and out of, and they WON'T LET GO!

2) Consider distributing your weight. Integrated weight pouches are theoretically attractive -- but the systems that secure them are trying to do two diametrically opposed things at the same time. They are trying to retain the weights securely, and allow them to be easily released. It's hard to do both things well, and most systems don't. Either it's a pain to release the weights, or they release too easily. In my analysis of diving, it's almost inconceivable that you would need to release your weights in a screaming hurry, and never underwater; on the other hand, loss of a significant chunk of weight can result in precisely what you experienced. Therefore, I prefer systems that weight the odds toward NOT losing weights.

Night diving can be disorienting, even if you aren't having buoyancy issues. Track your bubbles -- in the absence of violent currents, they WILL go up.

Come back and see us some time . . . I'd be delighted to meet up with you for a Puget Sound dive or two. If you can look at your experiences of the day and focus on what delights you, you are the kind of diver I want to be in the water with.

I'm leaning hard toward the spring straps, although I didn't have any further problems after being set straight by the other divers.
I was buckling them in the water and then tightening, on subsequent dives I buckled them on shore and just loosened enough to get over my boots then tightened....seemed to work much better.

My weights are actually distributed around (10 in each BC pocket and 16 on a QR belt).

I'm thinking of making the BC pouches more slow release (small carabiner) and keeping the belt as quick release.

After last weekends events, I'm sure dropping 16 will keep me on the surface;)

As far as looking at the bright side, I expect problems when I'm learning something new and working through new gear.

I think I handled the uncontrolled ascent and slowed myself as much as possible, didn't panic but was a little worried.

It would take something much more severe to get me back out of diving...I'm hooked for life.

Seems like dive shops that do Discover Classes are like crack dealers....we'll give you a taste for cheap and then we really start charging.

After the first taste your so addicted that you just have to pay up.

Nwcid
June 13th, 2012, 12:38 AM
I'm leaning hard toward the spring straps, although I didn't have any further problems after being set straight by the other divers.


Does not matter if you are still having problems or not. At ~$20 they are one of the best and cheapest things you can buy in scuba. There is a reason so many experienced divers use them.........


Also take Lynne (TSandM) up on her offer. She helped me and the GF though our first real dive and was great. We will be hitting her (and a couple others) up for more diving when we make it over there again in a month.

ErikNYC
June 13th, 2012, 09:48 AM
Spring straps once again!

Night and day convenience and difference. Buy it now!

GrumpyOldGuy
June 13th, 2012, 10:09 AM
I'm leaning hard toward the spring straps......

The spring straps are a little faster to put on or pull off. If you are doing a shore dive and doing this between waves, its pretty nice. Ditto for pulling fins off while trying to climb aboard with a good surge. They are not required, just a real nice option


My weights are actually distributed around (10 in each BC pocket and 16 on a QR belt).

I don't mean to be critical, but 36lbs diving wet is a bit on the heavy side even for a 7mil FJ+J. You might be a super big guy (XXXL) and need it, often new divers tend to need extra weight because they fin without thinking and have a hard time on the initial descent. Once you work on it a bit you may be able to reduce the amount of lead needed.


I'm thinking of making the BC pouches more slow release (small carabiner) and keeping the belt as quick release.

Remember, the quick release is not just for you to pull. Should you get in trouble, you buddy may need to dump your weight. So at a minimum, make sure your buddy understands your equipment modification.

BTW: What type of BCD do you have?

jcxd45
June 13th, 2012, 10:50 AM
It's an older oceanic kevlar bioflex.
Seems adequate, but having a very hard time finding a replacement pouch.

GrumpyOldGuy
June 13th, 2012, 02:25 PM
It's an older oceanic kevlar bioflex.
Seems adequate, but having a very hard time finding a replacement pouch.

Replacement pouches can also be expensive. Worse case, you can mount some weight in cam-band pockets and not worry about using the integrated system since you already use a belt.

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