Santa Maria

nolatom · May 13, 2014

Very possibly so:

Columbus' Santa Maria May Have Been Found off

Diver/salvor Barry Clifford is the real deal, and backed here by the History Channel, so this claim is worth following to see if it's the actual Columbus ship.

Lorenzoid · May 13, 2014

I wondered if this would show up on SB.

Does anyone know what kind of evidence they might find that would conclusively identify it as the Santa Maria? Or is identifying it as a ship from within plus or minus a few years of 1500 the best they can hope to do?

rhwestfall · May 13, 2014

Lorenzoid:
I wondered if this would show up on SB.

Does anyone know what kind of evidence they might find that would conclusively identify it as the Santa Maria? Or is identifying it as a ship from within plus or minus a few years of 1500 the best they can hope to do?

"made in Spain" (as opposed to "China") was stamped on the tiller.... :rofl3:

TMHeimer · May 13, 2014

I've read that remains of the Santa Maria have tentatively been identified off Haiti after 500+ years. Surprised this hasn't hit SB yet.

Phil_C · May 13, 2014

Hit the BBC news today, but according to that it is not yet confirmed as being the Santa Maria - just that the finder thinks it is (although it does sound like there is some good reasons to think it might be).

I shall follow it with interest - apparently they think excavation an recording will confirm whether it is or not - Phil.

BBC News - Christopher Columbus's Santa Maria wreck 'found'

Diver0001 · May 13, 2014

I don't recall this being news. If I'm not mistaken I saw a documentary about it years ago. It ran aground on Christmas day in 1492 on a well documented site in Haiti and was scuttled. Since it's scuttling the location of the wreck has been well known. Some of the wood was re-used at the time as building material and one of the anchors was recovered and has been on display in Haiti for ... God knows how long.

The recent "discovery" is just for TV. Nothing has been discovered. It's just been sensationalized so they can sell advertising minutes.

R..

Phil_C · May 13, 2014

That sounds far more like it - the BBC article does say that after it ran aground it was offloaded and a fort built nearby for the sailors who were not transferred to the two smaller escort ships. It also says they went back and found the fort had been destroyed - that implies the location was known and re-found so was presumably in the ships log and so on.

Still - I could fancy going over and diving it - especially if someone was going to fund an expedition to do so. - Phil

Diver0001 · May 13, 2014

Phil_C:
That sounds far more like it - the BBC article does say that after it ran aground it was offloaded and a fort built nearby for the sailors who were not transferred to the two smaller escort ships. It also says they went back and found the fort had been destroyed - that implies the location was known and re-found so was presumably in the ships log and so on.

Still - I could fancy going over and diving it - especially if someone was going to fund an expedition to do so. - Phil

Wrecks of this age that ran aground on shallow reefs are usually deeply inbedded in the reef. There isn't a "wreck" to dive on. A small mound of various debris in shallow water, maybe. They're really boring.

Sounds like they found a canon and decided to try funding their dive trip by making a documentary about it.

R..

Phil_C · May 13, 2014

Hi R - yep - I have made several dives on the remains of the very first HMS Invincible, a wooden hulled galleon which sank in the English Channel in 1758 - pretty much all you get to see is the decking and some of the ribs because it is buried in a sand bank - I still like it though, and it is interesting to see what new has been uncovered as the sands shift. - mind you Invicnible is a scheduled ancient monument and you need a license to dive on it so not something you can just go and do whenever you want . P

Diver0001 · May 13, 2014

Phil_C:
Hi R - yep - I have made several dives on the remains of the very first HMS Invincible, a wooden hulled galleon which sank in the English Channel in 1758 - pretty much all you get to see is the decking and some of the ribs because it is buried in a sand bank - I still like it though, and it is interesting to see what new has been uncovered as the sands shift. - mind you Invicnible is a scheduled ancient monument and you need a license to dive on it so not something you can just go and do whenever you want . P

That's all we get on some of the VOC wrecks in the Netherlands too.

Although ours don't have names like "Invincible" LOL

R..

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