"Term limits" on certifications

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drbill

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It appears we had another death in Catalina's Casino Point dive park last night. Based on what I've heard from eye witnesses, and indirectly from the emergency personnel who attended, the victim appeared to be in "less than optimal" health. Of course it is sad when such things happen, and my condolences go out to the family and friends. However, it also made me revisit a few certification related issues.

First, over the years I have become convinced that certificates (at least BOW) should not be life long. I have seen, and had to guide or attend to, divers who were certificated years (or even decades) ago, yet had done little diving in between. Why should a certification acquired when one is in their 20's be valid when they reach their 50's (a lofty level that I myself have achieved!). A person's health and conditioning can change radically over this period, yet they are still certified to dive.

I support the concept of renewable certifications, perhaps after a three or four year period. A person certified as BOW would have to recertify IF they had not dived more than a designated number of times during that period. An individual who could verify achieving that number of dives through a stamped log book, would be automatically renewed (probably for a small fee).

The other issue is the health and physical condition of a diver being certified. Based on my observations in our dive park over many years, a number of divers get certified without being able to complete a simple physical test like swimming a reasonable distance (I would recommend 400 yards).

I've heard instructors and agencies are concerned about potential lawsuits should they deny certification to a person obviously overweight and in poor health. To overcome that possibility, the "hoop" to jump through should be the ability to perform at an acceptable level. I consider myself over weight, but I could easily swim 400 yards.

Then there is the case of young studs in their 20's (like myself in a former lifetime) who get out-of-condition in their 40's and 50's (not entirely like me today) yet still dive.

This is not just an issue of personal freedom. Divers who are not in condition, or who do not have sufficient recent diving experience, pose a risk to other divers as well. I have rescued several of them at the dive park. In the incident mentioned above, a young man had to jump into the water to try to rescue the diver in question (when several uniformed policemen on the scene failed to take action despite calls from the diver's buddy that he was drowning). He put his life on the line to do so.

Dr. Bill
 
drbill:
I support the concept of renewable certifications, perhaps after a three or four year period. A person certified as BOW would have to recertify IF they had not dived more than a designated number of times during that period. An individual who could verify achieving that number of dives through a stamped log book, would be automatically renewed (probably for a small fee).

Dr. Bill,

I'm sure you are aware of PADI's position that anyone who hasn't dived in a year should take a refresher course prior to an OW dive. It is only a suggestion, not an enforceable decree, though.

It is unfortunate that people don't realize that practice makes for safe diving. In my area, we offer a "Spring Fling Come One, Come All Let's Get Wet In The Pool Before The Season Begins" event that is pretty widely attended. I'd like to think it has decreased the number of emergency diving-related events at Tahoe over the years.

FWIW.

--divetahoe
 
Lots of places will require or suggest that they do a SCUBA tune up class if they haven't been diving in a while. As far as physical condition, unless your in a current, diving is a pretty lethargic sport IMHO. Id hate to see yet another "fee" tacked on just to recert.
As far as the cop, do you know how much it costs to get one of those cop outfits dry cleaned? Get it wet just becouse it's there job, ya right!...I lit a cop up on camera one night in Sacramento for doing the very same thing. Watch a gal walk into the river and drown herself. He wasen't even damp! I had to wait for the DART team to show up and they found her body in 30 seconds. She was still right there. If I would have know that, Id have been in the river....As a side note, two chest compressions restored a pulse and blood pressure! I was shocked. She was still brain dead but if this cop had been there to "serve and protect" she would still be alive....That was one of four drownings I ran that nightmarish week.
 
I support the concept of renewable certifications, perhaps after a three or four year period. A person certified as BOW would have to recertify IF they had not dived more than a designated number of times during that period. An individual who could verify achieving that number of dives through a stamped log book, would be automatically renewed (probably for a small fee).

POINT 1
I agree that Basic Open Water divers should have limitations. A 3-year renewable certification would be ideal. The only problem is that all the agencies would have to agree on this (highly unlikely). If they don't agree, the only other way to get this done is to create laws pertaining to Scuba here in the USA. Not sure anyone wants an officer breathing down his or her neck before a dive.

The other issue is the health and physical condition of a diver being certified. Based on my observations in our dive park over many years, a number of divers get certified without being able to complete a simple physical test like swimming a reasonable distance (I would recommend 400 yards).

POINT 2
I am considered out of shape (195 5'9"). I am also an expert swimmer and feel very comfortable in the water. Swimming is like snow skiing (also an expert) because if you are good, you can exert very little energy in the activity. One guy in my OW class that was very physically fit could not hold a 5-pound weight and tread water. I had to take the weight from him as he was sinking (I’ll never forget the look of fear on his face). This kid did not belong in the pool let alone the Puget Sound. So in my opinion, although it IS better to be fit, it is also not the only factor in determining whether a diver is "fit" to dive.

400-yard swim is a must in my opinion and swimming at least 25 yards in the pool underwater (one breath) should also be a rule.
 
I think the point is more about, are people really taking refreshers, as recomended? I don't think so either. Unfortunately becuase some people abuse this, we as a dive industry will have to step up. I support the idea of expired BOW because it will also bring everyone up to date on the latest research.
 
The bottom line is that people need to be responsible for themselves. Been a while since you've dived.?...get a 'tune-up'. Going to do a speciality dive.?...get trained. Don't be stupid, if you don't want to do it for you, do it for the people that you are going to 'leave behind' after you make that final mistake and die.

My condolences to the people that attempted to save him and to his family.
 
Who's going to be the logbook stamp police? Maybe other places differ, but I don't see instructors or DMs hanging about pen in hand just waiting to stamp a logbook where I am. Real world -- you get somewhere, dive, shoot the breeze, head home, store gear, log your dives off the computer.
There's a fundamental honor system at play (thank God). I don't look forward to throwing $ at someone to sign a logbook, nor to keep renewing. Perhaps places that sell air or run dive excursions could take a look-see at a logbook once in a while, rather than just ask to see the card? I personally wouldn't mind if someone who doesn't know me wishes to see it before selling gas or taking me on a given dive, to get a feel for what I've done.
 
It's not about policing, it's about the death of divers not willing to regulate themselves. If the honour system was working, would we have few diver deaths?
Disclaimer - I'm from a socialist country :D
 
I read somewhere that on average 90 divers die each year world wide. I wonder how many of those divers had not dove in the last 5 years prior to the incident. Any studies on that? I also wonder how many divers died from natural causes while diving (Heart Attack, Asthma etc....).

How many lives would be saved if refreshers were mandatory? I bet you that the answer is the reason behind the agencies unwillingness to change the system.
 
PugetDiver:
How many lives would be saved if refreshers were mandatory? I bet you that the answer is the reason behind the agencies unwillingness to change the system.
Please clarify?
 
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