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    Hi All:

    Those of you who know me know how I feel about spam. I received the email spam newsletter below today from cyberdiver.net. I had never visited cypberdiver's website, subscribed to any newsletter, or even expressed an interest in hearing from them. The only places I give out my email address are on scuba message boards like RSD and Diverlink (the board script here lets me "hide" my email address so it's harder to find) so they must have harvested my address from one of those boards. If you get some of this spam and share my disdain for unsolicited emails I urge you to contact cyberdiver's sponsors (as I will) and ask them to remove their support from these "people". The sponsors of the spam and the spammers are:


    Papua New Guinea Expeditions- jen@pngexpeditions.com
    Action Divers (Philippines)- info@actiondivers.com
    Mara's Dive (Hawaii)- mara@marasdive.com
    SS Thorfinn (Truk)- Seaward@mail.fm
    Island Dreams Tours & Travel- info@islandream.com
    StampEx (Germany)- info@stampex.de
    Japan Diver- the Japanese version of Cyberdiver- no email


    You can be sure that I don't do business with people who support spammers.

    Thanks for your time,

    Bill

    The "newsletter" follows:

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    CYBER DIVER HOTLINE - 2001-3-9

    Powered by CDNN - Cyber Diver News Network, Cyber Diver Hotline is the
    world's largest and longest running scuba diving newsletter with over
    138,862 subscribers.

    Published by UES Global Online Publishing, a non-profit, public service
    organization committed to dive safety, marine conservation and ad-free,
    unbiased information about diving products and services.

    In this issue of HOTLINE:

    * CDNN TOP NEWS STORIES
    * HOTLINE READERS WRITE ABOUT FIJI
    * MY CD - BUY & SELL DIVE GEAR
    * SOS 2001 PHOTO CONTEST
    * CDNN SURVEYS
    * PRIVACY STATEMENT

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    Action Divers - Philippines @ http://www.actiondivers.com
    Mara's Dive - Hawaii @ http://www.marasdive.com
    SS Thorfinn - Truk, Micronesia @ http://www.thorfinn.net
    Island Dreams Tours & Travel @ http://www.islandream.com
    StampEx - Germany @ http://www.stampex.de
    Japan Diver @ http://www.japan-diver.com
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    CDNN TOP NEWS STORIES - PAGE ONE

    * UK - Divers salvage Bluebird
    Thirty-four years after Donald Campbell died trying to break his own world
    water speed record, divers have raised the wreck of the Bluebird.…

    * FIJI - Illegal government quits
    A week after the Court of Appeal declared the military-backed government
    illegal, it has offered to quit. "We have agreed and we have tendered our
    resignation after the meeting today and it has been taken up by the
    president to decide," interim Attorney-General Alipate Qetaki told
    reporters…

    * USA - PADI, DEMA, Rodales suffer second sharkfeeding defeat
    Hillsboro Beach has joined Deerfield Beach in banning shark-feeding. The
    unanimous decision by the Hillsboro Beach city commission was another
    stunning defeat for PADI, DEMA, Rodales and others in the diving industry
    that are fighting to protect dive operators involved in the highly
    profitable business of sharkfeeding…

    * FIJI - Suva calm after Court of Appeal tells government to step down
    Suva, the capital city of Fiji remains calm after the Court of Appeal
    declared the army-backed government illegal and ordered it to give up
    power. The judges ruled that the interim government had not proved its
    right to rule and that Fiji's 1997 multi-ethnic constitution remains the
    supreme authority…

    * US VIRGIN ISLANDS - Cousteau, Selengut team up on St. John eco project
    Eco tourism pioneer Stanley Selengut and renowned marine conservationist,
    Jean-Michel Cousteau, have joined together to offer eco adventure
    vacations in St. John called "Ambassadors of the Environment." The
    partnership will combine Cousteau's environmental education program,
    Selengut's eco-friendly Maho Bay resort and the pristine Virgin Islands
    National Park habitat…

    * FIJI - Summary of judgement against military-backed government
    Republic of Fiji islands and Attorney General v Prasad. Summary of Court
    of Appeal Judgement of March 1, 2001…

    * FIJI - Court of Appeal rules against army-installed government
    The Fiji Court of Appeal has dismissed an appeal by the army-installed
    government to overturn an earlier High Court decision that it is illegal.
    In the ruling Fiji Court of Appeal president Sir Maurice Casey made the
    following declarations…

    * FIJI - Security tight after bomb threats
    The army and police forces have been put on high alert after bomb threats.
    Security is tight in the capital city of Suva a day ahead of the Court of
    Appeal decision that will decide if Fiji's army-installed government will
    remain in power.

    GO TO http://www.cyberdiver.net/page-one/page-one.html
    __________________________________________________ _________

    HOTLINE Readers Write about Fiji

    I sent your Act Now letter to the Fiji interim government. Thanks for
    giving me the opportunity to do something. Hiroko

    I have just emailed the UES Act Now letter. If others in the tourist
    industry had followed your lead, this mess might have been cleaned up much
    earlier. Greg (dive center owner)

    I will send your Act Now message later today. Thanks for telling it like
    it is while everybody else has been pretending nothing was wrong. Robert

    Whether it’s environmental activism or a proactive commitment to human
    rights, many of us want to get involved and help right the many wrongs we
    learn about in our dive travels around the world. Michelle

    I live in Fiji and I can tell you no one is unhappier about what has
    happened here than we are and no one is more appreciative for what you are
    doing to help. We know it’s up to us to make it work, but right now, we
    need your help. Keep up the good work Cyber Diver! Aaron

    Bula from the Great Astrolabe Reef! I agree with your letter to get all
    divers to voice their feelings about Fiji's democracy but when things are
    settled soon and the 1997 multi-ethnic constitution is back, PLEASE also
    encourage divers to SUPPORT us in Fiji. As a resort owner we have been
    almost ruined by all this political chaos and we need your help to
    recover. Russell
    __________________________________________________ _________

    MY CD - BUDDY CAFE

    We are delighted to announce that we have upgraded our Buddy Cafe
    listings. Now it's even easier to buy and sell gear, announce dive trips
    and job search.

    GO TO http://www.cyberdiver.net/my-cd/my-cd.html
    __________________________________________________ _________

    SOS 2001 PHOTO CONTEST

    The winners of our SOS 2001 Photo Contest will be announced in the next
    issue of CYBER DIVER HOTLINE.
    __________________________________________________ ________

    CDNN SURVEYS

    Would you boycott Japan products to stop whaling?
    YES - 2083 NO - 0046
    Are you opposed to sharkfeeding?
    YES - 2018 NO - 0521
    Does PADI's 2-day "Scuba Diver" course adequately train beginners?
    YES - 0455 NO 3436
    Should tourists boycott apartheid Fiji?
    YES - 1153 NO 0409

    CDNN will introduce new surveys soon. If there is an issue you want us to
    include in our new polls, please let us know at survey@cyberdiver.net
    __________________________________________________ ________

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    newsletter subscribers. We encourage other sites, especially scuba diving
    magazines, to join us in this effort. We are aware that some diving
    magazines are using online sites to harvest email addresses and other
    personal information for the purpose of selling mailing lists to
    commercial vendors that market to divers. We strongly condemn this
    practice. We will NEVER sell, exchange, or release your personal
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    Thanks for the great info, I'll keep my eyes open as well.

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    Note how cyberdiver's "privacy statement" in their spam states (in part):

    "We are aware that some diving magazines are using online sites to harvest email addresses... We strongly condemn this practice."

    Hmmm, they apparently harvested MY email address (and a lot of others) from Rodale's Scuba Diving's website for their spam.

    On their website they are very proud of the fact that they accept no advertising stating:

    "CYBER DIVER is a 100% ad-free, interactive diving network", "Advertising is strictly prohibited in CYBER DIVER", and

    "There is a place for ad-based diving magazines, to be sure, but how much integrity can we expect from publishing enterprises that blatantly pander to advertising contributors? How much objectivity can we expect from monthly magazines and their online counterparts that keep “rediscovering” the same overcrowded dive destinations and the same high-volume dive operators who buy the big ads? How much honesty can we expect from online diving publications that go out of their way to avoid objective, critical reviews that might offend clients?"

    Instead of advertisers, "Our ad-free, objective reports are made possible by Cyber Diver Sponsors".

    Let's see, cyberdiver doesn't have ADVERTISERS, they have SPONSORS, who don't have ADS, they have, uh, er, uhm, well ADS on the website and in the newsletter. It looks to me like cyberdiver.net wouldn't know honesty and integrity if it jumped up and bit them on the tank. Personally, I wouldn't want to have anything to do with those "people". I do not trust them and their transparent duplicity. Who do they think they're foolin'?

    Just more of my 2¢,

    Bill


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    first off i too think that spam sucks....

    and i dislike RSD but they have my e-mail addy and i have never received anything from diverlink so it may not be RSD who sold you out.

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    Hi MrMrEZG:

    I don't believe that RSD sold the email addresses. I think that cyberdiver.net harvested visible addresses from the message board without RSD's knowledge. My primary email address that I use on the board was hit, but my "BillP@scubadiving.com" account was not. A number of RSD bulletin board users were hit with the spam, but apparently only at the addresses that they post on the board.

    BTW, I did not use the autoresponder address in the spam to have my address removed from the listbot.com mailing list, but I did complain directly to cyberdiver.net. Cyberdiver did not respond to my complaint, but a short time later I got a message from listbot.com telling me that my address had been removed.

    Bill

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    I think you misunderstand. It's not that RSD sold him out. Cyberdiver harvested addresses from RSD's board and spammed them. Several people on their board reported being spammed. Diverlink hasn't has any problems and there is a post that explains why. They hate spam too and guard against it.

    To RSD, it's not a priority.

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    thats what I said

    i did not get spammed and RSD has my address.

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