Should an instructor or agency be able to decertify divers?

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On a Nitrox thread, someone said that they agree with there being dives in a Nitrox Class because it gives him a chance to correct the students' crummy OW skills. That some students who were even Advanced Certified couldn't even perform Basic OW skills.
My question is...Should an instructor who notices a certified OW or Advanced diver lacking skills, be allowed to "decertify" a diver?
 
woah!
slippery slope... Would be pretty difficult to enforce. It's a matter of opinion from the instructor. Decertified divers would probably see this as a maneuver to make extra cash on their behalf.
 
Mafor said it well. Far too subjective and would allow instructors far too much power. Although there are those who should not have been certified, it becomes the burden of the individual for his/her own safety to further their dive skills.
However, if that poor diver is taking another dive course, then I would agree the instructor for the new course has every right not to pass them.
 
GUE can do it. Personally I agree with it.
People who are unsafe divers are bad news for their certifying agency, instructor, diving community in general...and especially themselves.
 
It should be they can submit a recommendation that the diver be decertified subject to review by other instructors.
 
I have a number of thoughts about this topic.

1)Back in the "old days" an instructor was not supposed to take the beginner student to the open water unless they had perfected their skills in the pool. Then came the modular program where some learning occurred in the pool, but was supposed to be perfected at the open water. I have dealt with a lot of students at open water sites who had very poor skills (especially buoyancy). Thankfully, I could usually correct some of this and encourage them to take some specialty training to further perfect their skills.

For the record, some agencies are tying to change some of this. The SDI guidelines for instructors is that they are not sign a student off for open water unless they show complete mastery of skills in the pool. I am pretty comfortable that the Instructors I have trained will stick to this guideline. Not so sure I can vouch for other instructors.

2)I have run into a few divers in my teaching and trip escorting experiences whose cards should have been pulled, but alias that is not permitted (I once tried to do this).

3)I think the current trend of dive resorts and dive centers to recommend refresher classes if the diver has been inactive for 2 years or more is a good step.

4)As has been previously stated in other forums - we can't teach everything in the entry level class. Too much information overload would occur. But we should at least be sure they get the basics.

5) Bottom line is that we have to strive for instructors who are compitent and experienced enough to train their students properly.
 
NOAA divers will lose their status if don't maintain their annual diving requirements, or contraindictions pop up on their regular medical exams. My professor has to dive somewhere, anywhere, every month of the year.
 
How about RE-certifying divers every 5 years? That would make a lot of instructors happy...:wink:
 
No, but maybe they should suggest some remedial help. What if the student was just having a bad day. BTW, my nitrox class did not require any dives.
 
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