Welcome to ScubaBoard, an online scuba diving forum community where you can join over 205,000 divers from around the world discussing all things related to Scuba Diving. To gain full access to ScubaBoard (and make this large box go away) you must register for a free account. As a registered member you will be able to:

  • Participate in over 500 dive topic forums and browse from over 5,500,000 posts.
  • Communicate privately with other divers from around the world.
  • Post your own photos or view from well over 100,000 user submitted images.
  • Gain access to our free classifieds marketplace to buy, sell and trade gear, travel and services.
  • Use the calendar to organize your events and enroll in other members' events.
All this and much more is available to you absolutely free when you register for an account, so sign up today!

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact the ScubaBoard Support Team.
Page 6 of 11 FirstFirst 1234567891011 LastLast
Results 51 to 60 of 110


  1. #51
    ScubaBoard Contributor


    needs a p-valve!
     

    hudson's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2006
    Location
    St. Louis, MO
    Posts
    569
    Dives
    100 - 199
    Photos
    7
    This would be a most welcome device, wish you the best of luck bringing it to the market.

    Do you foresee a problem with the magnetometer around wrecks?

  2. #52
    Registered


    Has not set a "status"
     

    Join Date
    Oct 2008
    Location
    France
    Posts
    23
    Dives
    25 - 49
    Photos
    2

    Compass compensation

    the compass alone yes, it will have an issue close to any metallic object, such as wrecks, but the Compass is not used alone in the IMU, it's always compensated with the 3 Axis Gyro.

    in an ideal world, i would say even the compass is not needed, if you can calibrate the heading onboard , then just leave the Gyro and Accelerometer predict the heading, but for better accuracy the compass is used.

    i do have a 3 magnetometer in my diving computer, and i had never had a single issues with wrecks,

    anyway , thanks for encouraging me to get this done quickly and get it to all the diving community soon, as i'm my self a frustrated diver when it comes to find my way back.



    kacem

  3. #53
    ScubaBoard Contributor


    Has not set a "status"
     

    Noboundaries's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2008
    Location
    Sacramento, CA
    Posts
    564
    Photos
    33
    Having flown pre-GPS aircraft equipped with Inertial Navigation Systems, Kacem's device makes sense. A small size is paramount to a diver. Seems the power supply to drive the gyros could be an issue too. All doable though with today's technology.

    In fact it looks like people are already developing and incorporating nanogyroscope technology. Nanogyroscopic stabilizers in camera phones is one example. Nanogyroscopes that could sense direction along an axis would solve all size and power problems.

    Fun stuff. Can't wait to see the finished product Kacem.
    for whatever we lose (like a you or a me)
    it's always ourselves we find in the sea
    - e.e. cummings

    And if I may modify an aviation quote by an anonymous author: "Diving itself is not inherently dangerous, but it is terribly unforgiving of any carelessness, incapacity, or neglect."

  4. #54
    Registered


    Has not set a "status"
     

    Join Date
    Oct 2008
    Location
    France
    Posts
    23
    Dives
    25 - 49
    Photos
    2
    there is no issue with the power supply at all, all the sensors are mainly based on MEMS technology, they don't consume that much,

    the issue is on selecting the right sensors with less noise, and has some auto tilt compensation capabilities

    some of them start to become available for the mass market like:

    Analog Devices: ADIS16350: High Precision Tri-Axis Inertial Sensor :: Multi-Chip :: Other
    this is coming right away from the professional business

    look also to this 3 axis magnetometer : http://www.magneticsensors.com/datasheets/HMC6343.pdf

    of course the contribution of the automotive, camera stabilization, new Phone generation, virtual reality, motion capture, etc all made the prices to drop down.

    kacem

  5. #55
    Diving Polymath


    waiting for the next dive.
     

    Thalassamania's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    On a large pile of smokin' A'a, the most isolated population center on the face of the earth. 2,175 miles to Alaska, 2,390 miles to California; 3,850 miles to Japan; 4,900 miles to China; 5,280 miles to the Philippines.
    Dives
    5,000 - ∞
    Photos
    39
    The Honeywell chip looks good.
    I refuse to believe that corporations are people until Texas executes one.

    "Too often ... people enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought" - Leapfrog
    "They are the McDonalds of diver certification. Quick, inexpensive and tasty. Pardon me for saying so, but I also believe it to be a health hazard." - DCBC
    "It truly does boil down to motivation ... if you believe something is hard, or unnecessary to learn, you won't learn it ... even if it's completely within your capability" - Bob (Grateful Diver)


  6. #56
    Registered


    Has not set a "status"
     

    Join Date
    Oct 2008
    Location
    France
    Posts
    23
    Dives
    25 - 49
    Photos
    2
    correct, the two chipset from Honeywell and Analog devices are the best at this time for this kind of application,

    the prices are still high today, : the Honeywell Magnetometer is in the range of 120$ for low volume, and the Accelerometer + the Gyro in one chip from Analog is in the range of 250$ for low volume

    add to that a nice CPU like the ARM7, in the range of 40$ for low volume, and an LCD 3-4" a Nokia one at 60$

    you see for a nice prototype, I'm not far from the 500$ as a HW BOM only.

    of course there is other chipset very cheap like the freescale one.

    but i'm a diver my self, and if today we are not that using the scuba scooters that much , it's because the anxiety of not finding our way back.

    and for such a way of diving, high speed diving I may say the choice for very accurate sensors is really the first priority to avoid any accumulation of the drift over the time.

    anyway, I will consider this topic 6 months from now, I'm more busy by integrating the Kalman filter at this time.


    kacem

  7. #57
    Equipment Manufacturer


    Has not set a "status"
     

    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Location
    Monterey, California
    Posts
    98
    Dives
    0 - 24
    Interesting read...
    www.desertstar.com Here at Desert Star we build diver homing systems (to find your way to the boat/dive buddy/etc). We also build underwater tracking systems. PM me for ScubaBoard pricing!

  8. #58
    Registered


    Has not set a "status"
     

    Join Date
    Oct 2008
    Location
    France
    Posts
    23
    Dives
    25 - 49
    Photos
    2
    thanks TwistedGray

    i saw your web site, and looks like this product works for you.

    kacem

  9. #59
    Equipment Manufacturer


    Has not set a "status"
     

    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Location
    Monterey, California
    Posts
    98
    Dives
    0 - 24
    Yeah but I wouldn't plan on a huge market. A steady one...yes, but a huge one...no
    www.desertstar.com Here at Desert Star we build diver homing systems (to find your way to the boat/dive buddy/etc). We also build underwater tracking systems. PM me for ScubaBoard pricing!

  10. #60
    Panulirus argus imperator
    Go Red - Support SB!

    has no class.
     

    Rhone Man's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Location
    British Virgin Islands
    Posts
    5,886
    Dives
    1,000 - 2,499
    Photos
    28
    If you brought an u/w GPS to market you would be killed in the rush. I don't think it needs to be able to do anything more sophisticated than help people get back to their entry point, although if you could add an ability to find u/w waypoints, so much the better.

    What would people pay for that? I would have thought anything less than US$500 and you have a queue. Above that, I think they would still sell, but you it won't become de rigeur in the same way that a dive computer has.

    One thing I have never understood is why no one has popularised an underwater beacon locator, so that you can find your way back to the ascent line by "pings". I would have thought that would be a cheap and simple innovation that would make a pack of cash for someone.

    Good luck bringing it to market - I think the idea has huge potential.
    Rhone Man
    British Virgin Islands

    Sterling Divers - saluting the pioneers of modern technical diving.

    British Virgin Islands diving guide on WikiTravel - written mostly by me.

    [Life] ain't about how hard ya hit. It's about how hard you can get hit and keep moving forward.” — Sylvester Stallone - Rocky Balboa (2006)

Similar Threads

  1. underwater navigation
    By sea_trek in forum Basic Scuba Discussions
    Replies: 23
    Last Post: September 18th, 2006, 03:55 PM
  2. underwater navigation
    By Niamh in forum New Divers and Those Considering Diving
    Replies: 16
    Last Post: July 5th, 2006, 11:16 AM
  3. Underwater navigation
    By Fishlips_1 in forum Basic Scuba Discussions
    Replies: 22
    Last Post: September 27th, 2005, 09:19 AM
  4. Underwater Navigation??
    By moneysavr in forum Basic Scuba Discussions
    Replies: 4
    Last Post: October 8th, 2004, 05:00 PM
  5. Underwater Navigation
    By Mr. Nice Guy in forum Basic Scuba Discussions
    Replies: 3
    Last Post: January 20th, 2003, 09:56 PM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •