How to ensure my safety when there is no guide dive with me?
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Completely agree. Several in the group have also told me flat out, call the dive anytime for any reason no questions asked. It helps me to know that I won't be ridiculed (by them anyway) if I call it.
ANY diver that will not allow you to call a dive (or call it without them giving you a hard time) should NEVER be your buddy again. It really is your right and responsibility. They, as divers, should know that.
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By the way group, I don't necessarily disagree with the sentiment and advice given in this thread. But I hope you can see how the tone (particulary of the removed responses) will prevent many people (newbies and veterans) from posting. There is no win win in that. We can have healthy debate and disagreement in a bit more civil manner. At least in the newbie threads. I keep hearing (in person) from different experienced divers that they avoid posting on SB because (well, how can I say this delicately) the peckers get pulled out and we have a pissing contest over everything. Now I always have a good chuckle over the various pissing contests but it is intimidating for some. Edu-ma-cate us please. We are trainable.
UGH . . . Why the heck am I in the 'play nice' mode today is beyond me. I'll go back to my "You've reached Dr. Phil, how can we help you" thread . . I obviously need it!!!
By the way group, I don't necessarily disagree with the sentiment and advice given in this thread. But I hope you can see how the tone (particulary of the removed responses) will prevent many people (newbies and veterans) from posting. There is no win win in that. We can have healthy debate and disagreement in a bit more civil manner. At least in the newbie threads. I keep hearing (in person) from different experienced divers that they avoid posting on SB because (well, how can I say this delicately) the peckers get pulled out and we have a pissing contest over everything. Now I always have a good chuckle over the various pissing contests but it is intimidating for some. Edu-ma-cate us please. We are trainable.
UGH . . . Why the heck am I in the 'play nice' mode today is beyond me. I'll go back to my "You've reached Dr. Phil, how can we help you" thread . . I obviously need it!!!
Ok while I do not think it is a good idea to insult people online (or elsewhere), a lot of people get in a real huff when people disagree with them on SB. A lot of people take someone disagreeing with their ideas as a personal attack and ignore the chance to have a healthy debate. I see this FAR more than I see personal attacks here.
Also most of the posters here are adults and really should have a thick enough skin not to worry about what other posters say about them on the internet so I really think it is your friends' problem if they have problems posting here, rather than a problem with SB... Compared to the other diving forums I read, this one is one of the nicest..
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Agreed, many people end up resorting to a personal attack of the debate or argument doesn't go their way or they can't change your mind. They will claim that you are this or that or that you obviously this without knowing you at all or sometimes without even looking at your profile!! That actually does press my buttons but yes, some people don't seem to be too interested in helping others unless they are willing to conform to their personal preferences.
Heck, I've not even seen a proper buddy check done after my cert dives. I sometimes get funny looks when I'm looking over their equipment and making sure I at least know where their releases are!
I don't know where you've been diving but that is something within your control. Me and my buddies do checks. We may not stand before each other and recite BWRAF as if auditioning for an instructor but we are making ourselves aware of each other's status, noting their gear setup and their general preparedness. Maybe you wouldn't recognize that as a proper buddy check?
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By the way group, I don't necessarily disagree with the sentiment and advice given in this thread. But I hope you can see how the tone (particulary of the removed responses) will prevent many people (newbies and veterans) from posting. There is no win win in that. We can have healthy debate and disagreement in a bit more civil manner. At least in the newbie threads. I keep hearing (in person) from different experienced divers that they avoid posting on SB because (well, how can I say this delicately) the peckers get pulled out and we have a pissing contest over everything. Now I always have a good chuckle over the various pissing contests but it is intimidating for some. Edu-ma-cate us please. We are trainable.
UGH . . . Why the heck am I in the 'play nice' mode today is beyond me. I'll go back to my "You've reached Dr. Phil, how can we help you" thread . . I obviously need it!!!
I dive a lot of "rubble" piles on the ocean bottom...in usually poor vis. Hundreds of dives.. and every time I start back to find the anchor.. trying to retrace my path after several dozen turns and no clean direction, I get this little nervous feeling that this time I will not find it...silly, as I know it really does not matter.. but I still worry about.
It has never happened, but it could.
I can only image what it would be like for a new diver, having only dove with DM's.. to suddenly find themselves on a boat, with someone saying "There's the water and make sure you come back with at least 500 psi" for the first time. Would not blame them if they called the dive...nor would I blame them or say they lacked training.. what they lacked was their personal ownership for the dive.. which had been kept from them by others. They could have made 1,000 dives with someone leading them and try as much as they want, they would never learn that.
It is one thing to pretend you have control, and quite another to actually have control.. what the person needs is that opportunity to learn.
what they lacked was their personal ownership for the dive.. which had been kept from them by others. They could have made 1,000 dives with someone leading them and try as much as they want, they would never learn that.
It is one thing to pretend you have control, and quite another to actually have control.. what the person needs is that opportunity to learn.
Others can only keep personal ownership of your dive from you if you allow it. When a diver decides to take control, they can.
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