Why no Con Ed?

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TSandM

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Somebody made a comment in another thread about not seeing many divers take any classes beyond OW. As I chatted with Peter (my husband, who is a PADI instructor) he observed that, despite him maintaining a mailing list and contacting his certified divers at regular intervals, to encourage them to take more training, we hear from very few. Those who take one class tend to take several, making me think that it isn't that the students don't find Peter a good instructor, but rather that they don't take further classes.

So I wanted to ask here: If you are OW certified, but have not taken any (or much) training beyond that, why not?
 
I'm not the audience for your question, but I do have an opinion... OW divers who are here on Scubaboard often ask questions about "which course should I take next?" and are bombarded with answers that say "just go diving." I think that we as a community do not value further training beyond OW, even many professionals. We seem to be a bunch of "do it yourselfers" in this regard.
 
Most of the people I dive with are very experienced divers and/or instructors themselves. I feel the best training I can get is spending my weekends with these divers and spending as much time in the water as possible. At some point, I will take more formal training to further my diving goals, but for now, I see this as the best path for me. I see lots of new divers with tons of certs who just dont have the experience to go along with it...I believe this often results in an unrealistic appraisal of one's own abilities. Me....I'm in no hurry, just enjoying the journey.

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Interesting observation. There are several divers where I work, and none have gone past thier initial OW certification. All are "warm water vacation divers". Might go one or two times a year, and dive 2-3 times on their vacation. They like diving, but it just doesn't speak to them in the same way I've experienced. After my first OW "Discover Scuba" dive in the murk and surf off Kihei (terrible conditions that day due to storms) I was hooked. The conditions were horrible. Waves knocking down divers attempting to get in/out, and about 5' viz. Didn't see anything except other newbie divers struggling. In retrospect, we probably shouldn't have gone in, but we were all paying customers, so...

Point being that there are those who enjoy diving, and those that get hooked. I'm guessing that none of the other divers on that outing went on to get their OW, let alone additional certifications. But even though my first experience was in bad conditions, I left the water with a smile on my face, knowing this was something I wanted to do. I was hooked.

As a result, I not only wanted to earn my OW certification, but continue on as a student of the sport and learn more. Additional dives tought me what I didn't know, compelling me to gain knowledge and experience. I wanted to dive smart, dive safe, dive in places that required additional training. I joined clubs, joined forums, met other divers, took dive specific trips, bought my own gear. Sure, I could have done all that without going beyond an OW cert, but for me, it was all part of the greater experience of diving. For me, that's "Doing it Right".
 
I have to think it depends on how con ed is marketed. What I find is that those who feel they have to come back for more training often do not. Those who come back because they want to, come back over and over. I've marketed my instruction with that philosophy. As a result I teach far more con ed than OW. I have not taught an OW class in two years and likely won't this season.

But I have been teaching. Sidemount, Wreck, UW Nav, AOW, Intro to Tech and I have an Adv Nitrox and Deco procedure class scheduled in a couple weeks. As well as the HOG reg class. There is a sense that those divers I have had as students, regardless of the level, do not want to be sold more training before they are actually ready for it. They just want to dive and enjoy it. They should be able to do that without further instruction.

After OW the class I do push most is Rescue. Before AOW, before UW Nav, before anything. I don't believe in delaying that and since they get a taste of rescue skills in the OW class with the non responsive diver from depth, tow while stripping gear, panicked diver at the surface, etc., they then want to know how to prevent those things. I don't believe anyone should be introduced to any advanced training without the rescue skills they need to deal with things that may happen on those dives.

What I hear and see from those who don't take it after OW is they have been told they must wait and do some other training first that sometimes does not even interest them. The other thing I see and hear that is very disconcerting is they are told over and over just how safe this is and if they listen to the DM, Guide, Instructor leading the dive that they will be fine. Couple that with the glossing over or refusing to honestly discuss the real risks of diving they don't feel they need it. Or anything else. As long as they listen to someone else. Even if that means following some DM or Guide to 100ft on their 3rd or 4th OW dive after certification.
 
Here in Colorado, we have among the highest numbers of divers per capita of any state in the nation, and that has been true for decades. The relatively small city of Boulder where I live supports two full time dive shops, and we used to have three. There are many more just a few minutes away. Yet, you really have to be hooked on diving to do any local diving. We have trouble even offering AOW here--the water isn't deep enough. The overwhelming majority of divers dive only on vacation in warm water resort areas. They visit really nice tropical reefs in exotic locales. The dive shop where I work does a bang up business with their sponsored trips, and they have three full time employees and a couple of part timers who are dedicated to dive travel. Their last sponsored trip to Bonaire had, IIRC, 79 participants.

It is really, really hard to convince anyone that there is any reason to do anything else. Maybe they can get their AOW on one of those sponsored trips, but that's about it. These people never see any more complicated diving. It doesn't sound like something they might like to do. I was preparing for a more advanced trip with a group of divers, and some of the people asked me about the water temperatures would be. I said they would be in the low 60s F. The immediate reaction was "You guys are nuts!"

That's the atmosphere around here.
 
Oh, and I probably should add that I can personally attest that it isn't Peter's instruction that is preventing his students from continuing their education. For me, it was just the opposite. He's an excellent instructor, who expects his students to leave his classes with more than just a card in their pocket.
 
for me the answer is take what classes you need to do the diving that you need to do. This only applies if the training is done properly, i.e. most PADI OW divers are woefully inadequate for normal diving conditions and PADI tends to substitute good depth in each of their courses with volume of courses. This goes back to the quip about their equipment specialist and peak buoyancy control classes. They remove time spent on those two very important aspects of diving in their basic OW class and encourage them to take those classes down the road, i.e. Put Another Dime In.

IF the training of OW diver is done properly, which unfortunately pretty much limits itself to university courses these days due to timing constraints, most divers don't actually need anything beyond that. I think Nitrox should be included in every OW class from day 1. It's negligibly more math, and the last two dives at least with NAUI can be dove using Nitrox. At NC State each diver gets NAUI Nitrox Diver as their cert, they have buoyancy control that rivals most instructors unfortunately and can do things most AOW divers can't. Proper training.

Some then decide that they want to further their training to get into technical diving or professional, so they have to take Rescue, that's required for damn near every cert out there. In their OW class they learn how to do proper unconscious diver at the bottom rescues, and the main rescue tows with rescue breathing etc, so they're prepared for an emergency, but Rescue gets you BLS certified at least with us, so you can do surface treatment once they're out of the water.

After that, the only real course they have to take is a decompression course if they want to start diving the deeper wrecks off the coast of NC, and everything else they need to learn is best done through experience and diving with mentors. We have a very good group of mentors, most of whom are technical divers, some of them very well renowned in the industry. Nat Geo videographers, Rolex Diver of the Year, etc etc, and these guys dive with new students regularly, that's more valuable than any course they could take because it is continued education on a regular basis. Every time they dive with these guys is almost like taking a class in the school of hard knocks because we critique everything and they usually get video feedback of it and then over pizza and beer we can discuss what happened and how to make it better. You don't get that in most classes because of ratios and instructors being paid etc etc.

For me this holds true, get the certs that you need to do the dives you want to do. I don't want to be told I can't go on a dive because I don't have a c-card in my hand, I want to tell myself I shouldn't go on that dive because I'm not prepared. Current cards, Nitrox Diver, Rescue, AI, Full Cave. That's it, and that's all I have needed, I blend my own trimix if I need it for specific dives, but I'm not paying for the cert until I'm on a rebreather because of the cost of helium. When I went for cave training I didn't have to have dive fundamentals taught to me because they were taught from day 1, so all my instructor had to do was basically go diving with me so through experience I could figure out how to navigate inside of the caves, that's the way it used to be way back when, but unfortunately that has been lost.


That's my thoughts on it at least, obviously this only works in a very finite group of divers, but unfortunately I think that the sport has progressed passed the point of no return on universally providing true quality education to the masses, and outside of GUE/UTD and the universities, no instructor is really able to devote the proper amount of time to students prior to getting certified. Doesn't matter how good of an instructor you are, students can only learn the skills needed through hours, not number of dives, just hours. This is only made worse by the current requirement for instant gratification on everything so the thought of spending more than a long weekend to get scuba certified is deemed not worth it by most.
 
This isn't complicated. OW lets them make the dives they want. The vast majority of the OW and AOW divers I have met have very little concept of what they don't know, or why they should care. No decompression, fine. No deeper than 130', fine. Follow the computer, fine.

That, and many (most?) newly-minted divers don't follow up with the sport aside from an occasional vacation dive. For reasons that have been discussed on this board.

- Bill
 
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