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    Ambient pressure booster?

    Last year I built and installed an ambient pressure booster onto our RIX 4VX 24CFM compressor intake, effectively doubling the compressor's output to 48CFM. Now, I'm in the process of valuing assets and am looking for a price on a commercially available equivalent. My Google FU must be weak today, cuz I can't even find a reference to such a device.

    Does anyone know of a source?

    Thanks in advance!

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    I don't know what you mean.

    Something like this? http://www.fabco-air.com/pdf/Sec_6.pdf
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    No, nothing like that. It boosts intake pressure from 1atm to two before it hits the first stage and sits between the intake filter and Nitrox stick. I've never seen one, so I can't even tell you what they look like.

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    Sure wish *I'd* seen the double post . . .


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    That's the idea, but the curve is wrOng for my purpose. I need to push a consistent 50cfm@30psi

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    Dave.


    To be frank this is something divers in general should not attempt unless they understand fully the principles and applications. But IMHO its a non flyer from the start.


    The performance parameters of each compressor is written on a data plate.


    Written on it are the diameters of each of your pistons in inches then the stroke
    Under this is the RPM of the compressor
    Two other important factors also are: Inlet pressure
    and: Discharge/Outlet pressure
    There should also be the full model number


    You need to disclose all this before anyone can proceed.
    Rix 4VX 24CFM is just not enough information. Iain Middlebrook
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    In most cases, an air compressor is designed to start with atmospheric pressure and then through stages increase the pressure to some known output pressure.
    The design takes into account the amount of cooling between stages and the hp requirements to provide a balanced 1st ,2nd, 3rd. and 4th stage so the pressure on the crank shaft is evenly distributed. IF you consider a car engine with 3 each 3 inch diameter pistons moving 3 inch stroke, and then make the 4th piston 4 inch in diameter with a 3 inch stroke you are going to have something come apart rather quickly.
    In a 4 stage compressor, each piston gets successive smaller with the same stroke length to keep the pressure on the crankshaft exactly equal and the unit in "balance". Also the cooling fins are designed to bleed off the excess temperature between cylinders.
    IF you increase the intake pressure from 1 atmosphere to 2 atmospheres you have doubled the volume of the first stage and now the HP to pump this increased volume must also be increased considerably. With the increased volume also comes much greater heat of compression and the cooling surface of the inter-coolers is now "not sufficient" and the compressor overheats.
    In the Walter Kidde compressors manufactured for the military - some had pressurized inlets to compensate for lower atmospheric pressure at high altitudes. They also had longer cooling coils to reduce the excess heat between stages.
    Many years ago I attempted to increase the compressor output by pressurizing the inlet and ONLY succeeded in burning up motors and compressors. The most I could get away with - was adding 2-3 PSI to the inlet cover and the results were not worth the minimum benefit.
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    Hi Jim

    The real reason the maths is difficult is because you lot are still working with that antiquated pounds per square inch nonsense. Add to that all rod loads in foot/ pounds and to cap it off temperature in degrees fahrenheit.

    Then you add all your motor calc's are to be done in horse power!!

    Give me strength, I bet gas blending for you guy's is a breeze.

    I guess only square pistons would help.

    But a nice principle post. Iain Middlebrook

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