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    A recent SLAPP from PADI may provide context for the case from ***** and her attorneys; PADI's case went to the 9th-circuit and created case-law.

    Most ScubaBoard readers probably do not know that PADI sued the “Diverlink” website, because Diverlink posted information about PADI’s training standards vs. the standards of other agencies (International PADI, Inc. v. Diverlink). Some opinions on Diverlink were stated as facts; nevertheless, PADI lost, and lost their appeal under California's SLAPP statutes (Strategic Litigation against Public Participation).

    While PADI lost in court, they effectively won, because Diverlink shut down, too drained in the defense process. (see SB thread on this topic).

    To prevent a repeat of the legal miscalcualtion made by PADI, *****, and her attorneys, are naming 100 "Does."

    Under the copyright "fair use" doctrine, here are two articles from Ben Davidson's "warts-and-all" newsletter, Undercurrent, about PADI's SLAPP (thank you Ben from a long-time subscriber!).

    From January 2004, page 11:
    PADI Takes on Website
    In 2001, the scuba website Diverlink (http:/ /diverlink.com) ran
    a couple of essays that compared PADI’s training standards to NAUI
    and YMCA. While stating that “All three agencies have room to
    improve,” the site was particularly critical of PADI, offering opinions
    like: “If you want to learn to be a good diver as opposed to just being
    certified to be a diver, then most responsible divers would suggest getting
    trained by the higher standards that agencies like the YMCA and NAUI
    have maintained over the years.”

    PADI objected to that and other statements on the site as “full of
    inaccuracies, half-truths, and outright misrepresentations regarding
    PADI’s business, instructional materials, instructional methods, and
    policies,” eventually suing Diverlink for defamation.

    Diverlink countered that it was protected by a unique California law
    prohibiting suits brought to silence legitimate public debate by using
    the legal system for intimidation. According to court documents, in
    November a California federal judge granted Diverlink’s motion to
    strike PADI’s complaint, awarding Diverlink, as the prevailing party,
    $196,000 in attorney’s fees and costs.

    Diverlink attorney Dotty Vidal of Dallas told Undercurrent that PADI
    has appealed the California ruling to the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals (last
    stop before the U.S. Supreme Court), and the matter probably won’t be
    decided until fall or winter 2004. PADI public relations and legal executives
    did not reply to Undercurrent inquiries regarding this case.
    From February 2006, page 6:
    PADI Anti-Defamation
    Lawsuit Tossed Out
    As we reported in January 2004, PADI sued the Web
    site Diverlink (http://Diverlink.com) for defamation
    over an essay that compared PADI training standards
    with NAUI and YMCA. The suit has been dismissed,
    with PADI ordered to pay court costs incurred by
    Diverlink and the essay’s author.

    In 2001, Diverlink carried an article by Walter Wilt,
    who holds several instructor certifications, stating, “All
    three agencies have room to improve. PADI’s system
    is very rigid, allowing little room for an instructor to
    improve the course by presenting skills in a different
    order.” Wilt also wrote that “PADI has been removing
    skills from its requirements since the late 1970’s.”
    While conceding that a person could dive without the
    removed skills, Wilt asked, “Will the diver be confident
    and knowledgeable enough to deal with problems and
    emergencies as they arise?” His own response was: “I
    fear PADI standards do not allow us to answer ‘yes.’ It
    seems PADI standards are designed around time constraints
    instead of around learning to dive.”

    PADI sued in California, claiming that the Diverlink
    site “is full of inaccuracies, half-truths and outright
    misrepresentations regarding PADI’s business, instructional
    materials, instructional methods, and policies.”
    One Diverlink statement singled out in PADI’s complaint
    was, “If you want to learn to be a good diver as
    opposed to just being certified to be a diver, then most
    responsible divers would suggest getting trained by
    the higher standards that agencies like the YMCA and
    NAUI have maintained over the years.”

    A federal judge threw out PADI’s complaint, citing
    a California law prohibiting suits brought to silence
    legitimate public debate. PADI was ordered to pay
    Diverlink’s attorney’s fees, but PADI appealed the ruling
    to the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals.

    Last summer, the Ninth Circuit Court upheld the
    dismissal, because the Web site made obvious that “the
    action arose from its acts in connection with a public
    issue in furtherance of its First Amendment rights.”
    The court further held that Diverlink was immune
    from the charges of defamation under the California
    law known as anti-Strategic Lawsuits Against Public
    Participation (“anti-SLAPP”). Since Diverlink did not
    write the statements but was simply the publisher of
    Wilt’s article, the court said that “no provider or user
    of an interactive computer service shall be treated as
    the publisher or speaker of any information provided
    by another information content provider.” Wilt was not
    named as a defendant by PADI.

    The Ninth Circuit Court agreed that Diverlink,
    as the prevailing party, was entitled to attorneys’ fees
    and court costs. Wilt told Undercurrent that PADI has
    advised the Ninth Circuit that the case has settled
    and that it is no longer pursuing legal action. The
    settlement agreement calls for PADI to pay Diverlink
    $311,187.

    Additionally, Wilt himself was awarded $3,000 attorneys’
    fees as sanctions against PADI by a Florida court,
    his home, where PADI had tried to fight the anti-
    SLAPP motion. Says attorney Paul Meyer, who was not
    involved in the suit, “This is unusual. Lawyers have to
    pretty much behave like complete miscreants to earn
    this kind of sanction in the U.S.”

    Eddie Rhodes, Diverlink’s webmaster, says, “The
    case is exactly what it appeared to be at first look, a
    big bully trying to get their way even though there was
    no grounds for it ... They [PADI] played dirty along
    the way, and they were chastised by two federal judges
    in different districts for their unethical and improper
    behavior.”

    PADI’s legal department declined to talk to
    Undercurrent about the decision. Their legal director,
    Pat Fousek, said, “It’s PADI corporate policy not to
    speak to Undercurrent, so we have no comment.”
    For those too timid to say anything about corporate bullying, for fear of being named as a "Doe," remember you just have to frame your statements as opinions, not facts. As a web community, we need to learn the rules to participate as responsible citizens, otherwise this could be the future... (Two-time Academy Award winning screenwriter Paddy Chayefsky won his third Oscar for Network, 1976; here's the film's most famous scene. Has Chayefsky's prophecy come true? Is the pendulum swinging back via the internet?)


    As JAX cited earlier:
    "Statements that imply facts will not be considered opinions under federal law, even if they are labeled opinion. Opinions labeled as such will therefore not necessarily gain protection if what follows asserts a fact, such as "It is my opinion that John murdered Fred."
    See Millkovih v. Lorain Journal Co., 11 S Ct. 2695 (1990) as cited in Computer Security Handbook, 4th Ed. Bosworth, Seymour & Kabay, ME, ed. John Wiley & Sons, Inc. 2002.

    E.g. Instead of "It is my opinion that John murdered Fred," try "According to statements made by sources I believe to be reliable, I think that John murdered Fred." Hmmm...that's sort of like when Drew Richardson cited data from the National Safety Council and DAN to claim that diving's safety is comparable to bowling. As long as you create plausible deniability, where's the liability? BTW, has anybody actually investigated the reliability of the data sources that Drew and DAN have cited to make the bowling comparison?
    Last edited by JonKranhouse; March 26th, 2010 at 10:21 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DebbyDiver View Post
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    Posted not to boast, but to encourage others.

    This one was smaller than I want to be able to give, but it's from the heart. And I want to encourage others...so what if you can only afford a few bucks, IT ALL ADDS UP. Do NOT be embarassed if you can only make a small gift. Just do it.
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    Donation sent! This is the primo website for the free exchange of diving information. From the, sometimes, brutal honesty to the spot on sage advice to the occasional and entertaining snarky donnybrook. Nothing comes close.
    Come On fellow Sand Sharks. Send in what you can.

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    For those of you who use this board in any regular kind of way - please donate to keep this board going: it's an incredibly valuable resource and even $5, $10, $50, whatever you can afford, will help ensure this wonderful resource keeps on giving you, the diver, great advice and a wonderful place to hang out.

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    So true that it bears repeating!

    Quote Originally Posted by InTheDrink View Post
    For those of you who use this board in any regular kind of way - please donate to keep this board going: it's an incredibly valuable resource and even $5, $10, $50, whatever you can afford, will help ensure this wonderful resource keeps on giving you, the diver, great advice and a wonderful place to hang out.

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    For those of you who can afford to give more, you are so appreciated! For those of us who can only afford $5 or $10, don't be embarassed by the amount. GIVE FROM YOUR HEART...GIVE TO SHOW YOUR APPRECIATION OF THIS WONDERFUL INTERNET RESOURCE FOR DIVERS!
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    Somehow, Paypal thought my donation was fraudulent,
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    How about protect your right not to be sued for 20brazillian USD... Support Tort reform.

    Tort reform - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    If we can do something about healthcare we can probably get this done too...

    I dont care if someone sues me because they read something on a BBS. Sue away. But the thought of somone getting more than twenty dollars out of the deal angers me to no end.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DebbyDiver View Post
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    For those of you who can afford to give more, you are so appreciated! For those of us who can only afford $5 or $10, don't be embarassed by the amount. GIVE FROM YOUR HEART...GIVE TO SHOW YOUR APPRECIATION OF THIS WONDERFUL INTERNET RESOURCE FOR DIVERS!
    I'm paying bills today and sending a check. I think if everyone reading this sent $3-$10 it would make a huge difference. See NetDoc's posts on page 62 for address if PayPal is not your thing.
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